Topaz Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I'm listening to a radio program and they are talking about, within the green energy act, people will HAVE have a test done on their homes BEFORE they can sell it. The cost is $300.00 but you don't have to do the work if required. The results goes to anyone who wants to buy your home. I would think this may cause some people not selling their homes and others may not sell at their price. Viewers are calling in saying they know why its being done but why are the homeowners being forced to do this. I would think an home inspection would take care of all of this. Is this just another way of the government creating these jobs?? This program is callled an energy audit. In Ontario, when most "smart meters" are now installed, Hydro is going to raise the price of hydro, so again, the people pay for the mismanagement of the hydro industry. Quote
Riverwind Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Viewers are calling in saying they know why its being done but why are the homeowners being forced to do this. I would think an home inspection would take care of all of this. Is this just another way of the government creating these jobs??Welcome to the Owellian world of climate change regulation. Governments know that actually eliminating CO2 emissions is a technical impossibility so they look for publicly visible policies that create the illusion of action to satisfy a public that has been lied to by global warming crusaders. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Moonbox Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I think lowering energy usage is a good thing. I like this idea. It may force people to actually do a little work fixing the holes in their home before selling. If the Hydro companies raise prices unfairly, let the government regulate them. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
madmax Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I'm listening to a radio program and they are talking about, within the green energy act, people will HAVE have a test done on their homes BEFORE they can sell it. The cost is $300.00 but you don't have to do the work if required. The results goes to anyone who wants to buy your home. I would think this may cause some people not selling their homes and others may not sell at their price. Viewers are calling in saying they know why its being done but why are the homeowners being forced to do this. I would think an home inspection would take care of all of this. Is this just another way of the government creating these jobs?? This program is callled an energy audit. In Ontario, when most "smart meters" are now installed, Hydro is going to raise the price of hydro, so again, the people pay for the mismanagement of the hydro industry. This should be in the PROVINCIAL forum.... Could it be moved ??? Quote
Topaz Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Posted February 24, 2009 This should be in the PROVINCIAL forum....Could it be moved ??? I'm not sure it does because they were talking about both the provincial and the Feds "greenprograms' so I think it belongs in both. The hydro may belong in provincial but the green programs to fix up your home and only having 18 months to do the work is a Fed program and is connected to this program. Quote
Alta4ever Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I'm not sure it does because they were talking about both the provincial and the Feds "greenprograms' so I think it belongs in both. The hydro may belong in provincial but the green programs to fix up your home and only having 18 months to do the work is a Fed program and is connected to this program. This is a province of Ont program it belongs in the provincial section. That said this is nothing more then a make work project that will be financed by homeowners. Liberals dumping more onto the shoulders of Ontairio's middle class, good work dalton you dolt. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
madmax Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 This is a province of Ont program it belongs in the provincial section. That said this is nothing more then a make work project that will be financed by homeowners. Liberals dumping more onto the shoulders of Ontairio's middle class, good work dalton you dolt. I agree with you on both counts. Quote
Riverwind Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I think lowering energy usage is a good thing. I like this idea.Lowering energy usage often *costs* money. There is always a trade off between the cost of energy efficiency and the benefits. For example, a home that is completely sealed may be energy efficient but the interior air quality will deteriorate and the operation of gas appliances will be compromised.If the Hydro companies raise prices unfairly, let the government regulate them.They are already tightly regulated. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Moonbox Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Lowering energy usage often *costs* money. There is always a trade off between the cost of energy efficiency and the benefits. I know, but a lot of the time it saves money. It depends on the house and what sort of renovations are needed. I simply think it's a very important and usually overlooked factor in buying or renting a home. I guess I should have said that I think it would be a good idea for people to hire someone to look at this sort of thing before they purchase rather than implementing new regulations. They are already tightly regulated. Yeah it's kind of a catch-22 with the hydro companies. As crown corps they went into debt for billions and were grossly mismanaged, but as private corps they've been mismanaged and they've driven prices up considerably. To be honest I don't really know what to think about the whole thing. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Huston Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Welcome to the Owellian world of climate change regulation. Governments know that actually eliminating CO2 emissions is a technical impossibility so they look for publicly visible policies that create the illusion of action to satisfy a public that has been lied to by global warming crusaders. Agreed.. what’s next, they will start charging people who breath, and animals. I don’t care about CO2 or global warming. What does concern me is the gases released that can cause respiratory ailments. Al Gore's hockey stick is incredibly inaccurate. the revision makes it a complete parody now. Oh, did I tell you the blade part was temperature recorded using instrumentation, while the handle/stick part was tree rings and coral.. which only record moisture content. The new chart has a secondary line now with extreme just as bad as the blade part with instrumental readings. Quote
Riverwind Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) I guess I should have said that I think it would be a good idea for people to hire someone to look at this sort of thing before they purchase rather than implementing new regulations.I had an energy audit done on my home. There were a few things like weather stripping around the basement door that were cheap to do but the bulk of my energy loss was through the walls and ripping all of the drywall off to put new insulation is simply not an option.So after spending $300 I saved a little bit of energy and money but not enough to recover the cost nor were the reductions a significant percentage of my total energy bill. I suspect 80%+ of homes would be in a similar situation. Edited February 24, 2009 by Riverwind Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
Keepitsimple Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Dumb program. Government getting in the way again. Any homebuyer with a brain would ask to see the last 6 - 12 months of heating bills....that's the best judge of whether a home is reasonably efficient. If there is any doubt, then the buyer can ask their own Home Inspector to evaluate the efficiency - or at least offer an opinion. If there is enough demand for this type of opinion, Home Inspectors will by necessity, have to adjust the training of their staff accordingly. That's why it's always good to use proven, qualified Home Inspectors. I could better live with Government providing a training subsidy to Home Inspectors to become qualified in the area of Home Efficiency. After all, it's not Rocket Science if you have Home Inspection fundamental skills to begin with. Quote Back to Basics
Progressive Tory Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I think lowering energy usage is a good thing. I like this idea. It may force people to actually do a little work fixing the holes in their home before selling. I do believe in Global Warming but question Gestapo practices on homeowners. I've been conserving energy since the 1980's and love my new smart meter. We all need to be aware but for some people, completely greening their homes could be a very costly venture. An economic crisis is not the time to try to enforce unplanned for expenses. Many unemployed people may be forced to sell their homes. This is just one more kick in the crotch. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 This should be in the PROVINCIAL forum....Could it be moved ??? Is it just an Ontario Act? I've never heard of it. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Huston Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 I do believe in Global Warming but question Gestapo practices on homeowners.I've been conserving energy since the 1980's and love my new smart meter. We all need to be aware but for some people, completely greening their homes could be a very costly venture. An economic crisis is not the time to try to enforce unplanned for expenses. Many unemployed people may be forced to sell their homes. This is just one more kick in the crotch. Well, this idea of implementing tariff or other cost expensies is what Hoover and FDR both did which caused the Great Depression to be even worse than what it should have been. they always pick the worse time for these things. Just like Obama and the health regulations in the 'stimulus' bill. I swear these politicians are no different than Maria Antoinette. Good humanitarian.. just so detatched from reality. Quote
madmax Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 Dumb program. Government getting in the way again. Any homebuyer with a brain would ask to see the last 6 - 12 months of heating bills....that's the best judge of whether a home is reasonably efficient. It's enough to determine whether or not you can afford to pay the heat and hydro. My Hydro Delivery Costs are higher then my Consumption. Quote
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