Anti abortion ad featuring...Obama

[gordiecanuk]

Just blogged on it...apparently rejected by CNN and NBC. Powerful message imo, regardless of one's take on the issue or one's politics.

[Oleg Bach]

He may be anti-abortion - but I am sure he will not have a problem aborting full term adults in miltary gear - hypocrite perhaps? Time will tell.

[gordiecanuk]

He may be anti-abortion - but I am sure he will not have a problem aborting full term adults in miltary gear - hypocrite perhaps? Time will tell.

Obama is almost totally pro-choice...having just signed FOCA, (Freedom of Choice Act). The only restriction he favours is in the case of late term (post 20 wks) abortions where the mother's life is threatened.

[Oleg Bach]

Obama is almost totally pro-choice...having just signed FOCA, (Freedom of Choice Act). The only restriction he favours is in the case of late term (post 20 wks) abortions where the mother's life is threatened.

People really do not have "choice" - They get brain washed into going the abortion route by controling social engineers and propoganists....who insist that some abort - if is a forcing - but the dupe is programmed and conditioned to believe that a choice is offered. They have no real choice because they are but dumb animals. Go back two hundred years and tell a woman you have a choice to restrict or eliminate your family lineage - in effect to commit familiar or race suicide...she will look at the "provider" and say - are you crazy. Woman who believe that removing their ownly real wealth as a human creature - which is offspring...is by choice are unaware they are but cattle and controled as such. NO coat hanger justifications...back in the coat hanger age woman were persecuted into the act though shame generated by false religious moralist.

[Oleg Bach]

People really do not have "choice" - They get brain washed into going the abortion route by controling social engineers and propoganists....who insist that some abort - if is a forcing - but the dupe is programmed and conditioned to believe that a choice is offered. They have no real choice because they are but dumb animals. Go back two hundred years and tell a woman you have a choice to restrict or eliminate your family lineage - in effect to commit familiar or race suicide...she will look at the "provider" and say - are you crazy. Woman who believe that removing their ownly real wealth as a human creature - which is offspring...is by choice are unaware they are but cattle and controled as such. NO coat hanger justifications...back in the coat hanger age woman were persecuted into the act though shame generated by false religious moralist.

It is about the control of woman and the breeding population it is not about freeing them.

[gordiecanuk]

It is about the control of woman and the breeding population it is not about freeing them.

Did you just say

"Woman who believe that removing their ownly real wealth as a human creature - which is offspring...is by choice are unaware they are but cattle and controled as such".

I sincerely hope you weren't being serious with that comment....I thought All In The Family and Archie Bunker were off the air.

[Melanie_]

Did you just say

"Woman who believe that removing their ownly real wealth as a human creature - which is offspring...is by choice are unaware they are but cattle and controled as such".

I sincerely hope you weren't being serious with that comment....I thought All In The Family and Archie Bunker were off the air.

Yes, Gordie, Oleg's charm is in his complete insanity.

[kimmy]

It's a terrific ad. Mr Canada and Shady have both made mention of it here before.

The message in the ad strikes home for me, for a similar reason. I was old enough to be the flower-girl by the time my parents finally got married; if abortion were as accepted in 1983 as it is now, there would likely be much less Kimmy to enjoy.

-k

[kimmy]

I sincerely hope you weren't being serious with that comment....I thought All In The Family and Archie Bunker were off the air.

Meet Archie Bonkers.

-k

[Oleg Bach]

Did you just say

"Woman who believe that removing their ownly real wealth as a human creature - which is offspring...is by choice are unaware they are but cattle and controled as such".

I sincerely hope you weren't being serious with that comment....I thought All In The Family and Archie Bunker were off the air.

After all is said and done - after the abortion councillor tells the young girl that she will ruin her life if she has a child and she believes them and goes on to have a career punching buttons in some office tower -----------and then ages - divorces twice - then gets a dog and scowls at the males on the street. It makes you wonder if she was made dupe. My mother had five children - and aborted many by the old means...My careerist sister bought into the big female career thing - she went up and hit the glass ceiling and had to leave the country - she aborted many times till it was impossible to have a child - now she is a tall blonde living in central america playing the flute and selling bottles of bark pills that cure cancer - she looks sad and old and wrinkled...I have children and I am the poor brother - she resents that after all is said and done is I have real wealth and she has nothing. My experiece with abortion has not been positive.

Also - to have been brow beaten 20 years ago by two plain clothes cops that the local forensic doctor - who also doubled as an abortionist - sent them to my house because I threaten to sue him .....It was a horrific and intrusive episode - all because I protested the restrictions placed upon me in the decision making - lucky - the abortion eventally took place ---- years later the reason was clear why this child was blocked - out of shame that my wife carried for an affair - I guess it would not have gone well for her with a babe born with black hair from a blonde man - she aborted to hide the lie....real nice - I would have accept the child...but she killed it to maintain her reputation...which in the end was bad any way.

[tango]

Meet Archie Bonkers.

-k

[heretoday]

People really do not have "choice" - They get brain washed into going the abortion route by controling social engineers and propoganists....who insist that some abort - if is a forcing - but the dupe is programmed and conditioned to believe that a choice is offered. They have no real choice because they are but dumb animals.

I hope you realise that you are also calling yourself a dumb animal?!?!

And who are these "controling social engineers"??? It seems to me that it's the other way around; those that should not have a kid - due to whatever reason, dont' find it necessary to list them here - and who give birth anyway because abortion doesn't seem like a viable option (due to pressure which mostly comes from religious groups and radicalists), these are the ones that are brainwashed or coerced into believing that no choice exists!

Otherwise, of course there is a choice! Whether I decide to eat a banana or I decide to have an abortion (not comparing the two or making light of the decision to have an abortion - just comparing the act of deciding...), the decision is mine. Otherwise, if the decision to have an abortion is not a real choice per se but just the "allusion of a choice," than the same must be true in regards to the choice of eating a banana i.e. humans have no choices whatsoever. This implies no freewil and hence predestination as well as a form of solipsism where nothing exists, everything is the construct of the mind... there is no 'matter' in the real world, including the concept 'animal'.

There is something really flawed with your thinking. Are you overly/insanely religious per chance?

Edited February 24, 2009 by heretoday

[WIP]

Yes, Gordie, Oleg's charm is in his complete insanity.

So, it's more than a literacy problem then!

[WIP]

Just blogged on it...apparently rejected by CNN and NBC. Powerful message imo, regardless of one's take on the issue or one's politics.

So, how many logical fallacies can the Catholic Church load into one ad? The biggie being arguing for a general principle based on one (and only ONE) specific example.

One child from a broken home, abandoned by his father, grows up to be president, therefore we must force every single mother who's baby-daddy has skipped town to carry her pregnancy to term! She may likely be young, still in school, and if she doesn't have family to turn to for help raising the child, she will not be able to further her education and will raise that child in poverty. The young pregnant woman who doesn't have her head in the clouds knows that the odds of success are not good, and may want to exercise her choice of terminating the pregnancy, rather than going through the ordeal and becoming a single mother on welfare, just to keep the Catholic Church happy! ...........But wait! Your baby may grow up to be the president!

Maybe it's time for rational, thinking people to go on the offensive against this church that is trying to make a global overpopulation problem even worse with their endless "be fruitful and multiply" messages. All over the world, the Pope and Church hierarchy, are doing everything in their power to obstruct birth control and family planning in the Third World countries where food and clean water are in short supply.

Overpopulation is the underlying problem behind environmental and global security threats, and now it's time to tell this Church to shove their propaganda and stop interfering with government initiatives to deal with this issue that has hardly been discussed in the political arena in about 30 years. http://www.population-security.org/issue_b.htm

[kimmy]

So, how many logical fallacies can the Catholic Church load into one ad? The biggie being arguing for a general principle based on one (and only ONE) specific example.

And?

The ad doesn't suggest that Barack Obama typifies the outcome of unplanned, unwed pregnancies.

The ad invites people to "Imagine the Potential".

-k

[GostHacked]

Yes, Gordie, Oleg's charm is in his complete insanity.

I think it is absolute brilliance. I love Oleg's posts. I get a better vision of what Oleg is trying to say than most posters on this board (although Kimmy is still top dog in this case). I have come to be a fan of Oleg's posts. It can be abstract, but the depth of the posts are bigger than the words on the screen.

Oleg is quite literate, I'd even say eloquent.

[GostHacked]

Yes, Gordie, Oleg's charm is in his complete insanity.

I think it is absolute brilliance. I love Oleg's posts. I get a better vision of what Oleg is trying to say than most posters on this board (although Kimmy is still top dog in this case). I have come to be a fan of Oleg's posts. It can be abstract, but the depth of the posts are bigger than the words on the screen.

Oleg is quite literate, I'd even say eloquent.

[WIP]

And?

The ad doesn't suggest that Barack Obama typifies the outcome of unplanned, unwed pregnancies.

The ad invites people to "Imagine the Potential".

-k

So I noticed! It is no different than all of those stupid ads for the lotteries that lead the suckers on to keep buying more tickets. They want people to ignore the odds and dream of being the lucky lottery winner.

I also don't think this ad campaign should be separated from the Church's overall strategy of banning abortion and birth control worldwide, and the role they have played in removing overpopulation from political discussion in the U.S. and at the U.N. with the help of their Muslim allies. How much real concern are they showing for life when they want more people on a planet with finite resources. If the majority of people keep sharing their indifference to this crisis, the entire human race will join the extinction list in a couple of centuries......so much for pro life!

[Oleg Bach]

And?

The ad doesn't suggest that Barack Obama typifies the outcome of unplanned, unwed pregnancies.

The ad invites people to "Imagine the Potential".

-k

Unwed pregnancies, I have never heard that term before - you mean that they did not get their breeders permit from city hall or the church? Sex is marriage. Today the kids are trained that sex is never to be creational by always recreational. Marriage has become a detriment to survival rather than a strengthening instutution that generates power for the truely united team. I do get the idea of the ad "imagine the potential" - perhaps what it is saying - is of all the millions of people that do not exist because of abortion - that maybe - there were a few hundred who would have made wonderful leaders and citizen - and the world would be a better place ---- with that I agree.

[guyser]

- is of all the millions of people that do not exist because of abortion - that maybe - there were a few hundred who would have made wonderful leaders and citizen - and the world would be a better place ---- with that I agree.

Probably a few more Dahmers, Picton and the like.

Call it a wash.

[Oleg Bach]

Probably a few more Dahmers, Picton and the like.

Call it a wash.

That's what Morgantaler said ---- "unwanted become concentration camp guards" - para phrase.... I can't believe you said that..would you walk into a home where a couple of innocent new borns lay ----and point and say --- "Look - right there - a Picton and a Dahmer'....Your vison stretches far into the future - very god like of you -------------------- I think you not only killed a kitten - but a few dogs to boot.

[WIP]

Unwed pregnancies, I have never heard that term before

Well then, is it possible she meant unwed mothers? I'm surprised to see you mocking other people for their choice of words.

- you mean that they did not get their breeders permit from city hall or the church? Sex is marriage. Today the kids are trained that sex is never to be creational by always recreational.

In a world with more than 6.5 billion people, we need more recreational sex and less creational sex!

Marriage has become a detriment to survival rather than a strengthening instutution that generates power for the truely united team. I do get the idea of the ad "imagine the potential" - perhaps what it is saying - is of all the millions of people that do not exist because of abortion - that maybe - there were a few hundred who would have made wonderful leaders and citizen - and the world would be a better place ---- with that I agree.

Well, I think you got the meaning of their message right -- but does one exceptional success story justify their Continuity and Potentiality arguments that every fertilized egg has a right to be brought to term? Setting aside the problem that the embryo's potential can't be realized without denying the host (the pregnant woman) any role in the decision-making process -- the odds of an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy of a young woman with little or no education, growing up to be President is much less than the child growing up to be a serial killer. Like it or not, Morgenthaler is probably right that legalized abortion reduced the crime rates, since unwanted children brought into this world are more likely to be resented children who end up in group homes.

[gordiecanuk]

The current situation in Canada...of no laws regulating abortion what so ever...is totally the fault of the Pro-Life lobby. Yeppers, Pro Life...not a typo...because of the extreme fringe's insistence that life is "sacred" from the point of conception.

A woman finds herself pregnant as the result of incest or rape? To idealogue prolifers...that's too bad, but no abortion allowed. In light of that intransigent (sp?) view, when the courts struck down existing abortion legislation, no politician will touch it now.

And so now we're on the other extreme.

Already have 3 girls and hoping for a boy? Pre-Sex screeing says you're having another girl...no problem though, abort her and try again for a boy, its just a fetus.

What's that dear, you got pregnant and didn't want to face up to it...you were in denial? Okay...doesn't matter that the fetus is over 20 weeks and completely viable, there's no law to prevent you from having an abortion. Is that a cleft pallatte? Hey...if the kid isn't gonna be perfect get rid of it.

I am pro-choice, but I think its gone way to far...especially when public dollars are funding the procedures and private clinics don't keep any statistics.

[guyser]

Already have 3 girls and hoping for a boy? Pre-Sex screeing says you're having another girl...no problem though, abort her and try again for a boy, its just a fetus.

What's that dear, you got pregnant and didn't want to face up to it...you were in denial? Okay...doesn't matter that the fetus is over 20 weeks and completely viable, there's no law to prevent you from having an abortion. Is that a cleft pallatte? Hey...if the kid isn't gonna be perfect get rid of it.

You make it sound as if these problems came about because of abortion being allowed. They occured whether or not we have the abortion laws and those prone to seek abortion for your reasons as noted above will continue.

[WIP]

And so now we're on the other extreme.

Already have 3 girls and hoping for a boy? Pre-Sex screeing says you're having another girl...no problem though, abort her and try again for a boy, its just a fetus.

What's that dear, you got pregnant and didn't want to face up to it...you were in denial? Okay...doesn't matter that the fetus is over 20 weeks and completely viable, there's no law to prevent you from having an abortion. Is that a cleft pallatte? Hey...if the kid isn't gonna be perfect get rid of it.

I see nothing wrong with creating a new abortion law, but it's not the Pro Choice side that's holding it up! It's those so called pro lifers who demand a total ban on abortion or nothing! Since they are aware that severely restricting third trimester abortion will take away their main propaganda argument against abortion -- no more bloody pictures of dead fetuses to parade around on their marches. A dead zygote just doesn't bring the donations in for the cause.

We've been up and down this issue on this forum many times and the only thing that surprised me is finding that many Canadian women who seek third trimester abortions have to go to the U.S. to have it done. All that bullshit about Canada being an abortion wild wild west as portrayed in the anti abortion propaganda, doesn't match the realities of actually getting it done, since there are fewer and fewer abortion providers in Canada as the years go by. Women living in many rural areas, away from major metropolitan centers have poor access to abortion in real life.

As for the murdering babies crapola:

Third-trimester abortions are not generally available. For instance, in Quebec, there is currently no doctor who will perform a third-term abortion unless the health of the woman is in great peril or there is a genetic disorder. Currently the province sends women who seek to have third-term abortions performed to the United States. Quebec is currently actively looking to hire a doctor to do third-term abortions, but has not been successful as of October 2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_C...ess_by_province

And that's why many women in the land with no abortion law, end up having to go to the United States for a late term abortion, that ironically may have been performed at an earlier stage of pregnancy if the services were available.