madmax Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 Prime Minister Stephen Harper has dropped a $3.5-million defamation suit against the Liberal party over the Cadman affair. A terse news release says Mr. Harper and the Federal Liberal Agency of Canada have agreed to settle all issues related to the suit. The action has been dismissed without costs awarded to either side and both parties have agreed not to comment further. SHHSHHH Quote
jdobbin Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 Prime Minister Stephen Harper has dropped a $3.5-million defamation suit against the Liberal party over the Cadman affair. What do you think it means? Quote
Riverwind Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 What do you think it means?It likely means the libs realized they had a good chance of losing the suit so they proposed a deal where they would drop the cadman issue in return for dropping the suit. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
jdobbin Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 It likely means the libs realized they had a good chance of losing the suit so they proposed a deal where they would drop the cadman issue in return for dropping the suit. You think so? Harper said nothing short of a public apology and massive compensation would do. Where was the apology and compensation? Quote
madmax Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Posted February 6, 2009 What do you think it means? I think it means I finally beat you to a scoop Honestly I don't know. And we may never know because the Liberals will not be allowed to discuss the matter. I can speculate.... and it is worth nothing....... that the CPC were not going to get any political capital from continuing the suit and most of the public will not care what happens from here on in. For the LPC, perhaps they can secretly have a PARTY, behind closed doors, open up the beer vaults and alcohol, invite the NEW CPC Senator and his new staff over for a drink and let bygones be bygones. I call this a minor LPC victory and a tactical withdrawl for the CPC. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 It means that Harper won't have to lie on the stand now. Good move on his part. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 I think it means I finally beat you to a scoop You're right. It's what happens when I miss staff meetings. I guess this comes in the tradition of making announcements late on a Friday when everyone is headed home from Ottawa. Honestly I don't know. And we may never know because the Liberals will not be allowed to discuss the matter. I can speculate.... and it is worth nothing....... that the CPC were not going to get any political capital from continuing the suit and most of the public will not care what happens from here on in. For the LPC, perhaps they can secretly have a PARTY, behind closed doors, open up the beer vaults and alcohol, invite the NEW CPC Senator and his new staff over for a drink and let bygones be bygones. There are a few new CPC Senators who like to drink. Which ones are you referring to? The Liberals likely have the beer, will the Tories bring the popcorn? I call this a minor LPC victory and a tactical withdrawl for the CPC. Well, certainly the objective of total vindication for Harper and bankruptcy for the Liberals seems off he table. Quote
Martin Chriton Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 I call this a minor LPC victory and a tactical withdrawl for the CPC. Maybe. I don't think Harper ever thought he was going win that anyways. He succeeded in burning some Liberal cash, and got the issue dropped so his (real) objectives appear to have been met. Quote
jdobbin Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 Maybe. I don't think Harper ever thought he was going win that anyways. You mean he knew he was guilty? He succeeded in burning some Liberal cash, and got the issue dropped so his (real) objectives appear to have been met. The issue bubbled around the service long enough to raise doubts about awarding Harper support for a majority. Quote
madmax Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Posted February 6, 2009 There are a few new CPC Senators who like to drink. Which ones are you referring to? This NEW Senator... Patrick Brazeau, 34, had said he wanted to stay on as head of the ... resigned from the organization and have now been hired as aides by Senator Patrick Brazeau ... where there was Scotch on hand and a small fridge stocked with beer. ... Stan Koebel and Frank Koebel must have missed the short list for the Senate. They liked to have beer in their fridges too. Quote
jdobbin Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 This NEW Senator... Patrick Brazeau, 34, had said he wanted to stay on as head of the ... resigned from the organization and have now been hired as aides by Senator Patrick Brazeau ... where there was Scotch on hand and a small fridge stocked with beer. ... Ah. You should hear what the native press says about him in Manitoba. Many had no idea what his organization did even though it ostensibly represented them. And then there is the anger about how high off the hog this guy lives. It must raise eyebrows amongst his fellow Tories about his conspicuous consumption. Oh we,, at least he is only going to be there another 41 years. Quote
guyser Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 Stan Koebel and Frank Koebel must have missed the short list for the Senate. They liked to have beer in their fridges too. Relax, word has it they are rigging the process and should be approved by Monday. In the meantime , take a sip of water and chill ....no wait .... Quote
waldo Posted February 6, 2009 Report Posted February 6, 2009 the tale of tape (experts) - quite telling These malicious and reckless defamatory statements impugn the reputation of Prime Minister Stephen Harper apparently, the litigious Harper retreats Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 It likely means the libs realized they had a good chance of losing the suit so they proposed a deal where they would drop the cadman issue in return for dropping the suit. Why would the Liberals lose the suit when they were the ones accused of doctoring the tape? When it was proven that the tape wasn't doctored, it leaves Harper with two choices. Perjure himself or admit that he bribed a government official for a confidence vote. I think he may have agreed to cover all their court costs if they just made it go away. However, shouldn't there still be criminal charges laid? What Harper did was wrong. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 apparently, the litigious Harper retreats It was definitely a retreat. He didn't need anymore bad publicity with his political career hanging by a thread. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Bryan Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 Obviously this means the LPC came to Harper on hands and knees begging his forgiveness. They know that they won't win, and they cannot afford the damages. Harper would never have backed down for Dion, but a new guy in charge of the LPC starting out on the right foot makes a world of difference. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 Obviously this means the LPC came to Harper on hands and knees begging his forgiveness. They know that they won't win, and they cannot afford the damages. Harper would never have backed down for Dion, but a new guy in charge of the LPC starting out on the right foot makes a world of difference. You seem to be forgetting that it was Harper who engaged in criminal activity by trying to bribe an elected official. He only launched the lawsuit to deflect attention. He now knows that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. His own expert said that the tape wasn't doctored. He now needs to make this go away. The Liberals could have in turn sued him for making false allegations. This was not a victory for Harper, but more of a 'tail between his legs thing'. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Argus Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 You seem to be forgetting that it was Harper who engaged in criminal activity by trying to bribe an elected official. He only launched the lawsuit to deflect attention. He now knows that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. His own expert said that the tape wasn't doctored You do realize that what you wrote above is actionable, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 What do you think it means? Probably it means that neither side thought they would come out of this thing looking very good, and that the new "spirit" of working together would take a hit with a court case and media focus on the allegations. Most likely neither expected the exorbitant costs of continuing the lawsuit would help their bottom lines either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 Obviously this means the LPC came to Harper on hands and knees begging his forgiveness. I think Harper would have wanted to makes sure that this was the reason for backing off the lawsuit just as Dion waited fro Duceppe to apologize before backing off on his lawsuit. They know that they won't win, and they cannot afford the damages. Harper would never have backed down for Dion, but a new guy in charge of the LPC starting out on the right foot makes a world of difference. That doesn't sound like the Harper we all know. According to Tom Flanagan, the strategy is to not only defeat the Liberals but to bankrupt them and see them end as a party. He has written this many times in the Globe and Mail. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) You do realize that what you wrote above is actionable, right? Actionable, how? Bribing an elected official is not legal. The tape proved that he did. If Harper wants to sue me, he can go for it, but he'll also have to sue hundreds of bloggers and contributors to message boards who are saying the same thing. It's in his best interest for this to go away. However, just because the Liberals have agreed not to bring it up again, doesn't mean the NDP or Bloc can't. What he did was wrong. He knew it. He won't be trying to remind Canadians anytime soon. PM incriminated himself on tape over alleged Cadman bribe, Opposition charges Bribing Cadman Illegal & Unethical Globe and Mail Editorial Harper, Bribery and Dying MPs Edited February 7, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 That doesn't sound like the Harper we all know. According to Tom Flanagan, the strategy is to not only defeat the Liberals but to bankrupt them and see them end as a party. He has written this many times in the Globe and Mail. The tide is turning and Harper is turning out to be not much a leader afterall. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
scribblet Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 You're right. It's what happens when I miss staff meetings. I guess this comes in the tradition of making announcements late on a Friday when everyone is headed home from Ottawa. So you are a Liberal staffer ! Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 Obviously this means the LPC came to Harper on hands and knees begging his forgiveness. They know that they won't win, and they cannot afford the damages. Harper would never have backed down for Dion, but a new guy in charge of the LPC starting out on the right foot makes a world of difference. Agreed, but it's fun reading the spin and speculation - no facts mind you, just speculation. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Wild Bill Posted February 7, 2009 Report Posted February 7, 2009 You seem to be forgetting that it was Harper who engaged in criminal activity by trying to bribe an elected official. He only launched the lawsuit to deflect attention. He now knows that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. His own expert said that the tape wasn't doctored. He now needs to make this go away. The Liberals could have in turn sued him for making false allegations. This was not a victory for Harper, but more of a 'tail between his legs thing'. This thread contains some of the most twisted partisan logic I've seen in months! Let's assume that Ignatief is not a total idiot. After all, you yourself have declared yourself a supporter. Why on earth would he agree to a deal if Harper was totally in the wrong and the Liberals were totally in the right? There must have been enough to gain and enough to lose ON BOTH SIDES or they would never have mutually agreed to drop it! If Harper was the total criminal you imply it's guaranteed that the Liberals would have kept going for the jugular. You're leading with your heart and your heart clearly is against Harper. That's your right, but you have argued better about other issues. I suspect that if it wasn't for Dion the entire matter would never have lasted as long as it did. Dion was never smart enough to see if some mud might splash back on him. This ignorance forced traditional political mudslinging to often escalate into lawsuits. Very much an academic, 'professorial' attitude, I might add. Ignatief seems to have spent more time in the 'real world' and is slowly cleaning up some of the messes he's inherited. To my mind, this shows that Harper no longer gets a free ride in the leadership competition. Oh well, Ignatief so far has not given me a good reason to switch my support but still, a capable opposition can only mean that Canada will win even if the Tories lose! A liberal government led by Ignatief would be a disappointment to voters like myself. A liberal government led by DION and his 'Green Shift' would have made me fear for my children's future! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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