madmax Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So there is no truth in what Casey is saying? He is just a disgruntled MP who lies? You have to start lying sometime. Now as a 20 year MP and independent is the time to lie..... Casey gets the last laugh. He stood his ground then won as an independent. An independent has the most of the electoral rules rigged against them. I would not be surprised that having been a Conservative MP for 20 year that much of the money that rolled into the CPC riding association coffers were because of him. I think it was the right thing for Casey to do, give the money to the CPC riding association so they could blow the money on a parachuted candidate and lose big time. Could there be hard feelings. Most likely. Quote
madmax Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) The NDP has in the past. I haven't seen any indication that they have stopped.Yup. And the NDP do it too. Like I said, I am not aware of any ridings were the NDP holds the nomination for the incumbent. I do know that I have read this about the other parties. You have to remember the NDP doesn't get alot of press on much of anything in Ontario. There are pros and cons to each way. Open nomination battles against an incumbent are democratic. However, guys like Chuck Cadman can find themselves losing a nomination battle against someone with the ability to sign up alot of memberships and swamp a nomination meeting. Edited February 4, 2009 by madmax Quote
Bryan Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Perhaps you can show me the headline where the Tories disassociated themselves from this. The story originated with the Chronicle in Nova Scotia. Surely, they would know of how the Tories were not playing dirty tricks. Again. How about a quote from the very story you posted? A spokesman for the Conservative party denied involvement in the complaints to the RCMP."The Conservative party never has had any questions surrounding any financial transactions involving Bill Casey, his re-election or his former riding association," said party spokesman Ryan Sparrow. Clearly, this is a smear campaign AGAINST the Conservatives, not one by them. Quote
jdobbin Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 How about a quote from the very story you posted? I know what they are saying now. Clearly, this is a smear campaign AGAINST the Conservatives, not one by them. By who? Casey? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 NDP = "Voice of the people" as Jack Layton often says even though only 1 in 12 people vote for them. I guess the other 11 in 12 aren't people. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
jdobbin Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 Like I said, I am not aware of any ridings were the NDP holds the nomination for the incumbent. I do know that I have read this about the other parties. You have to remember the NDP doesn't get alot of press on much of anything in Ontario. I know of few incumbents who have challenges to them in the NDP. There are pros and cons to each way. Open nomination battles against an incumbent are democratic. I believe so too. But that doesn't mean that Layton didn't have a hand in the defeat of Desjarlais by demotion and by letting his top people from outside the riding campaign for her defeat. However, guys like Chuck Cadman can find themselves losing a nomination battle against someone with the ability to sign up alot of memberships and swamp a nomination meeting. I have seen that a lot over the years. Quote
madmax Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 NDP = "Voice of the people" as Jack Layton often says even though only 1 in 12 people vote for them. I guess the other 11 in 12 aren't people. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 I'm his role model now. He strives to be as effective as me at spreading disinformation. LOL. I'm so glad you can laugh at yourself. That was a great line. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 All the gruesome details can be found on Stephen Taylor's blog. So now we should get our news from Stephen Taylor. Isn't he the guy who said if the NDP got in they would make Punjab an official language? He is hardly a credible source. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 And Desjarlais was a NDP critic who was kicked out by Layton. She was then targeted by NDP brass for replacement. What difference does that make and what does it have to do with the Conservative smear campaign? This was dirty politics, though sadly not an isolated incident by the Cons. Wonder who Harper will sue this time. The RCMP? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Hahahahahaha....Not only are you bringing up mundane, frivolous nonsense nobody cares about, but you're quoting the Toronto Star (Liberal propaganda machine) as a credible source of anti-CPC news. Hold on, I'll go see what dirty news I can dig up in the Calgary Herald about the Liberal Party. This is hardly an issue nobody cares about. Did you read the comments at the end of the article? Admitting that the Calgary Herald is biased against the Liberals doesn't give the Cons a free pass on this one. Attack ads are one thing, but when you involve the RCMP, it becomes a very serious matter. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
SocDem Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Attack ads are one thing, but when you involve the RCMP, it becomes a very serious matter. The RCMP is serious business. Quote "Every generation needs a new revolution. "- Thomas Jefferson
Moonbox Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 This is hardly an issue nobody cares about. Did you read the comments at the end of the article? Admitting that the Calgary Herald is biased against the Liberals doesn't give the Cons a free pass on this one. Attack ads are one thing, but when you involve the RCMP, it becomes a very serious matter. Not necessarily. Remember the Cadman Affair? Taxpayer money 100% wasted. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
capricorn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So now we should get our news from Stephen Taylor. If you don't like the source you don't have to read it. I visit the Liberal blogs regularly and find they are a good source of information. Isn't he the guy who said if the NDP got in they would make Punjab an official language? He is hardly a credible source. You really should research your information before you embarrass yourself. It was Jack Layton who suggested Punjab as an official language. Canadian opposition leader Jack Layton has promised support for a new visa office in Mumbai and official status for the Punjabi language in Canada if he becomes prime minister after the Oct 14 polls.Jack, whose New Democratic Party (NDP) has fielded a record 14 Indian Canadian candidates to woo the million-strong community, said his party will also roll back a newly passed immigration bill that the community finds discriminatory. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sports..._100101325.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 You really should research your information before you embarrass yourself. It was Jack Layton who suggested Punjab as an official language. Stephen Taylor's Blog. "English, French and Punjabi? Canada’s three official languages will be English, French and Punjabi should Jack Layton become Prime Minister according to the Indian Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs." He later posted: "UPDATE: Not true, says a spokesperson for the NDP who contacted me a few minutes ago via email. Turns out the reporter got the story wrong." Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 By who? Casey? No I think it was the RCMP. Clearly they have it out for the Conservatives ...... expecting them not to break the law and all that. How dare they. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
capricorn Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 Stephen Taylor's Blog."English, French and Punjabi? Canada’s three official languages will be English, French and Punjabi should Jack Layton become Prime Minister according to the Indian Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs." He later posted: "UPDATE: Not true, says a spokesperson for the NDP who contacted me a few minutes ago via email. Turns out the reporter got the story wrong." Taylor wasn't the only blogger to report on the story. Those blogs were the result of improper translation. Liberal blogs reported on the same thing and they all amended them as a result of uncovering the error in translation. A Punjabi speaking friend pointed out to me that there is a huge difference in Indian between the 'national languages' which are English and Hindi and the 'official languages' which are some 21 others.The 'official languages' of Indian are recognized but do NOT have the status of English or French in Canada or in fact of English and Hindi in India. So this is about providing some government services in Punjabi which is not unheard of already. We have government pamphlets in Mandarin and Cantonese and others. It seems to me that this is simply a reassurance that Punjabi will be part of the list of languages that get this kind of attention. http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/10/wtf...anadas-3rd.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Bryan Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 So now we should get our news from Stephen Taylor. Isn't he the guy who said if the NDP got in they would make Punjab an official language? He is hardly a credible source. If you read his blog at all, especially the post regarding this subject, you'll see that his fact checking standards are significantly stricter than those of the MSM. Quote
normanchateau Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 This whole business came about from a sore loser who's candidate lost the party nomination. It has nothing to do with the national party. Some might disagree that the national party is off the hook: http://thechronicleherald.ca/Editorial/1105413.html "When the local Conservative executive continued to support Mr. Casey as a candidate, the national party took over and called the shots. It prevented a general membership vote on Mr. Casey; it appointed a new management committee that had little local support and which failed even to find a candidate. It supplied a parachute candidate from a federal minister’s office. In short, the head-office Tories created the conditions for this mess. They bulldozed the workings of local grassroots democracy, they overrode the judgment of mainstream local Tories (who stuck with Mr. Casey) and they created the inept rump organization that ran not just a losing campaign but a sleaze-tainted one as well. They owe the public and Mr. Casey a forthright apology." Quote
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