Mining the Moon: Need We Despoil that Planetoid, too?

[Michael Hardner]

Wow...a Moon hoaxer. You're breed is pretty rare.

So...Apollo 8 here...did it just nip down the block and into a 'secret' garage?

Moon Hoax, MIA Hoax, 9/11 Conspiracy, New World Order conspiracy, Federal Reserve Conspiracy, flouride, UFOs... these discussions are examples of what happens in an open democracy when the people have dominion over all.

We've also had, in the past, the 'free silver' debate, and the "know nothings"...

[DogOnPorch]

Moon Hoax, MIA Hoax, 9/11 Conspiracy, New World Order conspiracy, Federal Reserve Conspiracy, flouride, UFOs... these discussions are examples of what happens in an open democracy when the people have dominion over all.

We've also had, in the past, the 'free silver' debate, and the "know nothings"...

Indeed...but you're not one of them, I hope.

[Wild Bill]

No need to worry, the Moon is safe. It will be quite some decades before we have the capacity to put someone on the moon.

No the moon landing never happened. Look at it from the perspective of a CSI investigator:

How can you land a multiton vehicle onto any surface using only blast jets to keep it from crashing into the planet with a force of 20G's or so, which should spew up a tremendous amount of space dust and create a visible blast crater.

And yet still have a 180 pound person jump out of the landing vehicle, and still have enough loose space dirt to create a visible boot mark.

Sherlock holmes would roll over in his grave.

[Michael Hardner]

Indeed...but you're not one of them, I hope.

There are conspiracies out there, but they're not as common as huge problems happening in plain sight, ignored by many.

[Wild Bill]

No need to worry, the Moon is safe. It will be quite some decades before we have the capacity to put someone on the moon.

No the moon landing never happened. Look at it from the perspective of a CSI investigator:

How can you land a multiton vehicle onto any surface using only blast jets to keep it from crashing into the planet with a force of 20G's or so, which should spew up a tremendous amount of space dust and create a visible blast crater.

And yet still have a 180 pound person jump out of the landing vehicle, and still have enough loose space dirt to create a visible boot mark.

Sherlock holmes would roll over in his grave.

Why would it hit with a force of 20g's, when the moon's gravity is only 1/6 of a g, or .17.

In order to do what you claim, you would have to deliberately fire the retrorockets the wrong way! They would have to be pretty powerful, too.

How's that tinfoil hat fit, anyway? Have you studied any real science since your bean sprouts died in that jar full of paper towel that you used in your Grade 4 project?

[Guest TrueMetis]

No need to worry, the Moon is safe. It will be quite some decades before we have the capacity to put someone on the moon.

No the moon landing never happened. Look at it from the perspective of a CSI investigator:

How can you land a multiton vehicle onto any surface using only blast jets to keep it from crashing into the planet with a force of 20G's or so, which should spew up a tremendous amount of space dust and create a visible blast crater.

And yet still have a 180 pound person jump out of the landing vehicle, and still have enough loose space dirt to create a visible boot mark.

Sherlock holmes would roll over in his grave.

I hope this is a joke.

First off you don't know what a G is, but let me explain it, one G is the force of acceleration due to gravity on earth about 9.8 m/s^2. The acceleration on the moon is about 1.63 m/s^2 or about 1/6 of the earth gravity or about 1/6 a G.

Second watch the episode of mythbuster on the moon landings that explains how boot imprints were left.

Third sorry to ruin your fantasy but Homles is a fictional character.

Again I hope this is a joke.

[DogOnPorch]

There are conspiracies out there, but they're not as common as huge problems happening in plain sight, ignored by many.

Moon landings were real: Yes? No?

[Michael Hardner]

Moon landings were real: Yes? No?

They were real.

Giant conspiracies like that generally don't happen in an open society.

[DogOnPorch]

They were real.

Giant conspiracies like that generally don't happen in an open society.

Just checking...lol.

[jbg]

Seriously! What's this I hear about the big race to start mining the moon? Does our human greed know no bounds? And what happens if too much is mined from the moon and the things becomes so light that it flings off into space? We're screwed!!!

Maybe we'll get a lot of blue cheese if we mine the moon.

[jbg]

I hope this is a joke.

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Again I hope this is a joke.

No, it is not a joke. Whoweeeeeeeee Zenops is not a very funny poster.

[Guest TrueMetis]

No, it is not a joke. Whoweeeeeeeee Zenops is not a very funny poster.

The education system is truly failing us.

[Wild Bill]

The education system is truly failing us.

Quite true. Sometimes I can't help but wonder if we made a mistake giving everyone the right to vote...

[jbg]

Quite true. Sometimes I can't help but wonder if we made a mistake giving everyone the right to vote...

At least people of that mentality very rarely vote. Thank G-d for small favors (except somehow B. Hussein Obama was elected in the U.S.).

[Michael Hardner]

At least people of that mentality very rarely vote. Thank G-d for small favors (except somehow B. Hussein Obama was elected in the U.S.).

People with more education are more likely to vote left.

Here's the 2004 US election result showing college graduates were more likely to vote Kerry than the average American.

[jbg]

People with more education are more likely to vote left.

In this case many of the Obama voters were not particularly educated. Edited December 11, 2009 by jbg

[Wild Bill]

People with more education are more likely to vote left.

Here's the 2004 US election result showing college graduates were more likely to vote Kerry than the average American.

One category I'd love to see is a breakdown of what KIND of education those college grads received and how that affects for whom they will vote!

I've had a theory for years but so far have had no hard evidence that people educated in hard sciences, engineering and such disciplines are far more likely to vote "right" and that liberal arts majors tend to vote "left".

It's a generalization of course but I'd love to see some actual investigation of the premise. I'm NOT suggesting that people in either camp are less intelligent but I do believe that "leftist" education tends more to the intuitive and academic. Engineers and hard scientists (physicists, not botanists) tend to be more practical, or "utilitarian". Such people would be attracted to what works rather than what seems a "noble goal".

A thriving society needs both types of people. When things get out of balance or one camp takes control of an area that they are not best suited to handle we can get into deep trouble!

One should never let an academic build a bridge for you. It will likely not only be unnecessarily over-budget but prone to fall down when you drive across it! Still, it would be a benefit to let him give input. Otherwise the bridge may be unnecessarily ugly!

[ToadBrother]

No need to worry, the Moon is safe. It will be quite some decades before we have the capacity to put someone on the moon.

No the moon landing never happened. Look at it from the perspective of a CSI investigator:

The closest you've ever got to a CSI investigation is CSI Miami, I'm sure.

How can you land a multiton vehicle onto any surface using only blast jets to keep it from crashing into the planet with a force of 20G's or so, which should spew up a tremendous amount of space dust and create a visible blast crater.

It's called reversing thrust. You know, the same way large ships will often maneuver.

And yet still have a 180 pound person jump out of the landing vehicle, and still have enough loose space dirt to create a visible boot mark.

Sherlock holmes would roll over in his grave.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[ToadBrother]

Third sorry to ruin your fantasy but Homles is a fictional character.

Holmes may be a fictional character, but I suspect he's still many more times intelligent than this guy.

[Michael Hardner]

In this case many of the Obama voters were not particularly educated.

Source ? McCain only took the "high school or less crowd" from this source at britannica.com

No High School, Obama 63 percent to McCain’s 35

High School Grad, Obama 52 to McCain 46

Some College, Obama 51 to McCain 47

College Grad, Obama 50 to McCain 48

PostGraduate, Obama 58 to McCain 40

[bloodyminded]

One category I'd love to see is a breakdown of what KIND of education those college grads received and how that affects for whom they will vote!

I've had a theory for years but so far have had no hard evidence that people educated in hard sciences, engineering and such disciplines are far more likely to vote "right" and that liberal arts majors tend to vote "left".

It's a generalization of course but I'd love to see some actual investigation of the premise. I'm NOT suggesting that people in either camp are less intelligent but I do believe that "leftist" education tends more to the intuitive and academic. Engineers and hard scientists (physicists, not botanists) tend to be more practical, or "utilitarian". Such people would be attracted to what works rather than what seems a "noble goal".

A thriving society needs both types of people. When things get out of balance or one camp takes control of an area that they are not best suited to handle we can get into deep trouble!

One should never let an academic build a bridge for you. It will likely not only be unnecessarily over-budget but prone to fall down when you drive across it! Still, it would be a benefit to let him give input. Otherwise the bridge may be unnecessarily ugly!

That's interesting, because I have heard, when it comes to those invovled in the hard sciences, that the opposite is true.

I'm not making definitive claims--like yourself, I have seen no real data about the matter--but I've heard that the "hard scientists" are more likely to vote in a leftish direction than in a rightish one.

[ZenOps]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/07/17/moon.landing.hoax/index.html

According to a 1999 Gallup poll in the US, six percent of Americans believe that the moon landing was a hoax. 89% believe it happened, the rest are undecided.

In Britain its closer to 26% hoax, Russia 29% hoax, Canada is about at Britain somewhere around 26%. About equal parts are undecided.

Anywhere outside the US, you will likely find equal parts believers as non-believers and undecideds.

It may take to 2019, but I think the US will finally hit double digits by then. The rest of the world has a healthy dose of reality and skepticism and quickly moving toward more hoaxers than believers.

[ZenOps]

BTW: People who believe certain things "Weapons of Mass Destruction" are usually the ones that are most likely to not question anything - like condoning and actively helping to kill millions of innocent people without solid proof.

Do you really want to be one of those people? Healthy skepticism is a good thing, especially since most of the US media is a massive lying machine, arguably as bad as China.

[jbg]

It may take to 2019, but I think the US will finally hit double digits by then. The rest of the world has a healthy dose of reality and skepticism and quickly moving toward more hoaxers than believers.

Er, did the Clarke Institute (link) suddenly allow internet access to its patients? _{(yes, part of my current signature)}

[Michael Hardner]

Er, did the Clarke Institute (link) suddenly allow internet access to its patients? _{(yes, part of my current signature)}

Once nobody believes anything the government says, we will truly be free !