Mr.Canada Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) You could be right. However, the only reason that Western Canada is a lock is because of the Socons. I still don't see them caving. They've had three years of promises, so there's a very real possibilty that they go their own way. Remember that recent abortion issue when they were all but told to 'shut up'. I think they're getting sick of being told to shut up. I don't think they'll choose power over integrity. I could be wrong. Preston Manning and PM Harper will be there to calm them down imo. If McKay can get a majority then some minor so-con and fi-con initiatives can be implemented to placate everyone. More than anything the west doesn't want the Liberals in power again, that will trump all imo. You watching the budget PT? - Edit Edited January 27, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Alta4ever Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 I see Prentice as being weaker on the podium than McKay. McKay is a better speaker imo, more forceful and clear. That and Prentice is too close to Ignatieff and I don't think he'd match up as well against Ignatieff in a debate as McKay would. I see Prentice as a Red Tory like Ignatieff. I could be wrong of coarse. Peter may have the voice, but he lacks the backing in western Canada, which is vitally important, and after doing what he could to change the party constitution to help him try gain the upper hand in the next leadership race he has lost some credibility our this way. Any winner in a leadership race needs the majority support of the west, and Peter won't get it of all those expected to run Prentice is the one most likely to get the support of the party in the west. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 You could be right. However, the only reason that Western Canada is a lock is because of the Socons. I still don't see them caving. They've had three years of promises, so there's a very real possibilty that they go their own way. Remember that recent abortion issue when they were all but told to 'shut up'. I think they're getting sick of being told to shut up. I don't think they'll choose power over integrity. I could be wrong. The west was very visable at the policy convention, the 1.95 per vote policy and the arts funding reduction was Harper tring to play to this base. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Mr.Canada Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Peter may have the voice, but he lacks the backing in western Canada, which is vitally important, and after doing what he could to change the party constitution to help him try gain the upper hand in the next leadership race he has lost some credibility our this way. Any winner in a leadership race needs the majority support of the west, and Peter won't get it of all those expected to run Prentice is the one most likely to get the support of the party in the west. Be serious. The west is a lock and will never support the Liberals and will always support the Tories imo. Imo the battle is in Ont., Que and the MAritimes. Am I wrong? McKay is very attractive to those voters imo. Edited January 27, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Alta4ever Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Be serious. The west is a lock and will never support the Liberals and will always support the Tories imo. Imo the battle is in Ont., Que and the MAritimes. Am I wrong?McKay is very attractive to those voters imo. All you have to do is look at were the majority of the continous memberships are. To vote you have to have had a membership for a certain periode of time and the leadership race is 1 member 1 vote. Plus 100 votes per riding. What will be fought over in Ont and Qu, will be the riding vote, but you have to have the support of the west to have a hope otherwise you would have to sweep all of the ridings East of MB. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
SocDem Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a small-c conservative to be the new leader as this would make the most sense. I'm going to put my money on Peter McKay being voted leader some time in mid to late 2009. I'd look for Harper to step down sometime after Obama's visit. I don't see McKay as winning a leadership convention. Especially if another conservative from the maritimes were to throw there hat in the race (Lord anyone?). The conservative branch of the party has taken it over, and I'd expect to see someone at least with some social conservative principles win a convention with small c vote splitting. Quote "Every generation needs a new revolution. "- Thomas Jefferson
Mr.Canada Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 All you have to do is look at were the majority of the continous memberships are. To vote you have to have had a membership for a certain periode of time and the leadership race is 1 member 1 vote. Plus 100 votes per riding. What will be fought over in Ont and Qu, will be the riding vote, but you have to have the support of the west to have a hope otherwise you would have to sweep all of the ridings East of MB. Ah, yes. I see what you're saying. Good point and most likely accurate. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Progressive Tory Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 I see Prentice as being weaker on the podium than McKay. McKay is a better speaker imo, more forceful and clear. That and Prentice is too close to Ignatieff and I don't think he'd match up as well against Ignatieff in a debate as McKay would. I see Prentice as a Red Tory like Ignatieff. I could be wrong of coarse. I like Prentice better, but MacKay has more experience at leading. Don't know Lord at all. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
gordiecanuk Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Posted January 27, 2009 No Harper is posturing as a RAE gomics supporter. Deficits without a clue. Deficits with a clue...or Harper without a clue, take your pick. Quote You're welcome to visit my blog: Canadian Soapbox
Progressive Tory Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 The west was very visable at the policy convention, the 1.95 per vote policy and the arts funding reduction was Harper tring to play to this base. I don't think the $ 1.95 was. The financial update at the convention spoke of debt repayment and a little cash left over once that 10 million dollar subsidy came in. They were counting on that money too. Arts funding maybe. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 Preston Manning and PM Harper will be there to calm them down imo. If McKay can get a majority then some minor so-con and fi-con initiatives can be implemented to placate everyone. More than anything the west doesn't want the Liberals in power again, that will trump all imo.You watching the budget PT? - Edit Do you think Harper will be content to work behind the scenes? I think he may get out of politics altogether, at least for awhile. Preston Manning could be a calming influence. Don't get me wrong. I'm not leaning to the right, but I admired the way Preston Manning handled the Social Conservatives. He told them to get out in their ridings and make their views known publicly (obviously not during an election campaign). Anti-abortion, traditional marriage, etc. If the majority were in support, make that part of your personal platform. If not, tone it down a bit. I didn't see that as fooling anybody, just doing what their constituents wanted, by getting a feel for what their constituents wanted. I respected that. Been catching bits and pieces of the budget. Looks good so far. The tax cuts may be a problem, "There are some positive sides to this budget ... but there are some things that we are concerned about," said Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff. I think it will pass though. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 All you have to do is look at were the majority of the continous memberships are. To vote you have to have had a membership for a certain periode of time and the leadership race is 1 member 1 vote. Plus 100 votes per riding. What will be fought over in Ont and Qu, will be the riding vote, but you have to have the support of the west to have a hope otherwise you would have to sweep all of the ridings East of MB. I agree. I think Jim Prentice has a much better chance of winning in the west than MacKay. Look at some of the galas and things held for Oil execs, etc. He's often a guest speaker. If they like him, that will take him far. I don't think he has any scandal surrounding him either. MacKay's 'dog' remarks didn't sit well with women. Mr. C is right though. The west is not going to go Liberal anytime soon. The only thing that will hurt them is if the Alliance breaks away and vote-splitting becomes an issue again. The new leader has to keep them happy. Sorry, but they do. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
capricorn Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 MacKay's 'dog' remarks didn't sit well with women. I had a good laugh at his comment "stick to your knitting" aimed at Alexa McDonough. I'm female so I suppose I should have been insulted but I was not. What's wrong with me? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Shakeyhands Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I had a good laugh at his comment "stick to your knitting" aimed at Alexa McDonough. I'm female so I suppose I should have been insulted but I was not. What's wrong with me? tooooo easy :-) Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Alta4ever Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I don't think the $ 1.95 was. The financial update at the convention spoke of debt repayment and a little cash left over once that 10 million dollar subsidy came in. They were counting on that money too. Arts funding maybe. 1.95 was definately playing to the western base of the party. Their absolutely no support of polical party welfare here. The CPC was not counting on the money. They have out fundraised all the other parties put together over the last 2 years. That 10,000,000 was a calculated loss. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I like Prentice better, but MacKay has more experience at leading. Don't know Lord at all. Bernard Lord is probably the best of the 3. What he has done in the province of New Brunswick is a testiment to true conservatism. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Progressive Tory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 1.95 was definately playing to the western base of the party. Their absolutely no support of polical party welfare here. The CPC was not counting on the money. They have out fundraised all the other parties put together over the last 2 years. That 10,000,000 was a calculated loss. I only went by their own economic statement during the convention. It was definitely going to be the nice chunk of change that was going to pay off their debts and put a little cash in hand. That's from them, not me. Hold onto your hat though because their fundraising techniques are about to be heavily srutinized. Apparently they are using personal information to target fundraising letters. There's a group protesting this right now, and want it stopped. Cheryl Gallant was already in trouble for using Passport applications to target voters. Our info is supposed to be private. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
DrGreenthumb Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 Been catching bits and pieces of the budget. Looks good so far. The tax cuts may be a problem, "There are some positive sides to this budget ... but there are some things that we are concerned about," said Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff.I think it will pass though. Removing pay equity for women is still in there tho. If Ignatief thinks my daughters shouldn't earn the same ammount as their male counterparts for the same work, I'm not sure I can support him. Quote
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