Screw the Coalition...I want an Election!

[gordiecanuk]

Harper and the Tories only mangaged to get 22% of eligible voters to pick the Conservatives last time. Almost 10 million Canadians didn't bother voting at all, but now Canadians are much more "tuned in". There's no way that voter turnout is going to be THAT low again..I'm pretty damn sure 90% or more of the Religious Right nutjobs were out casting their ballots...while a ton of moderates stayed home.

Not next time.

[Mr.Canada]

Harper and the Tories only mangaged to get 22% of eligible voters to pick the Conservatives last time. Almost 10 million Canadians didn't bother voting at all, but now Canadians are much more "tuned in". There's no way that voter turnout is going to be THAT low again..I'm pretty damn sure 90% or more of the Religious Right nutjobs were out casting their ballots...while a ton of moderates stayed home.

Not next time.

Lol, I see so all the voters who satyed home would only vote for the Liberals or NDP right? Keep Dreaming.

62% of Canadians don't support the Coalition. Only 38% do.

[gordiecanuk]

Lol, I see so all the voters who satyed home would only vote for the Liberals or NDP right? Keep Dreaming.

62% of Canadians don't support the Coalition. Only 38% do.

That's why I say bring it on MC....Canadians are paying attention now, and Harper is hanging by his fingernails. As far as I'm concerned, the election has already started.

Incidentally, truth isn't decided by majority vote...nor is it defined by narrow religious dogma.

[Mr.Canada]

That's why I say bring it on MC....Canadians are paying attention now, and Harper is hanging by his fingernails. As far as I'm concerned, the election has already started.

Incidentally, truth isn't decided by majority vote...nor is it defined by narrow religious dogma.

Give me an example of religious dogma espoused by PM Harper.

[gordiecanuk]

Give me an example of religious dogma espoused by PM Harper.

Harper is too smart to show his true colours like he did in his days with the NCC. I was taking aim at your signature line.

[prussell94]

62% of Canadians don't support the Coalition. Only 38% do.

Thats from december there's a new poll showing 50% support.

[Mr.Canada]

62% of Canadians don't support the Coalition. Only 38% do.

Thats from december there's a new poll showing 50% support.

OTTAWA — Tuesday's federal budget is poised to plunge Canada into deficit for the first time in more than a decade, but nearly six in 10 Canadians hope it will pass, according to a new Ipsos Reid poll.

Fifty-seven per cent of Canadians want the opposition parties to vote for the budget, according to the poll, conducted exclusively for Canwest News Service and Global National.

By contrast, 30 per cent believe the opposition should defeat the budget, while 13 per cent are unsure.

Source

This is from Jan.26/09

If the government is defeated over the budget then 48 per cent of Canadians would prefer holding a new election, while 38 per cent would prefer the Governor General allow the proposed coalition of Liberals and New Democrats – supported by the Bloc Québécois – to form a new government.

Source

This is from Jan.24/09. and a firm Liberal/NDP supporting paper.

As I said 38% don't support your Coalition.

[Trax]

no wonder the economy is upside down...

[punked]

Source

This is from Jan.26/09

It is really hard to support something that doesn't exist yet but good try. The problem is 30% are starting out against their budget before they know what is in it.

[Riverwind]

Thats from december there's a new poll showing 50% support.

The poll is being mis-reported. The question asked if your were forced to choose would you support the coalition or the conservatives. The next question asked whether an election should be called if the government falls - a clear majority wanted an election.

[Mr.Canada]

It is really hard to support something that doesn't exist yet but good try. The problem is 30% are starting out against their budget before they know what is in it.

The budget is very reasonable and Ignatieff will have to support it. He'll do his fence sitting thing Tuesday night while getting fed the opinion polls. Wed. at his press conference he'll announce his support followed by Laytons disbelief and finally Flaherty's smugness.

[punked]

The budget is very reasonable and Ignatieff will have to support it. He'll do his fence sitting thing Tuesday night while getting fed the opinion polls. Wed. at his press conference he'll announce his support followed by Laytons disbelief and finally Flaherty's smugness.

I would love to see it before I start telling people about it. Although I know from your experience with the Bible you don't read the things you support.

[gordiecanuk]

I would love to see it before I start telling people about it. Although I know from your experience with the Bible you don't read the things you support.

If the budget is anything like the Bible then you will be able to interpert it any way you like, just ignore all the contradictions.

[Oleg Bach]

Smart _ ignoring the contraditions is wise - then what is left if logic ---- as for the election - Harper is very liberal --- and he should rule ---as for Liberals - they are and always will be wanna be conservatives - and once in power they will push us around and make the conservatives look like angels.

[gordiecanuk]

Smart _ ignoring the contraditions is wise - then what is left if logic ---- as for the election - Harper is very liberal --- and he should rule ---as for Liberals - they are and always will be wanna be conservatives - and once in power they will push us around and make the conservatives look like angels.

I don't think either Iggy or Harper is very Liberal...but Harper has been posturing like one in efforts to garner that elusive majority.

[madmax]

I don't think either Iggy or Harper is very Liberal...but Harper has been posturing like one in efforts to garner that elusive majority.

No Harper is posturing as a RAE gomics supporter. Deficits without a clue.

[Progressive Tory]

That's why I say bring it on MC....Canadians are paying attention now, and Harper is hanging by his fingernails. As far as I'm concerned, the election has already started.

Incidentally, truth isn't decided by majority vote...nor is it defined by narrow religious dogma.

I agree, but I don't think the Conservatives want an election right now. Maybe back in December. According to a recent article in the Globe and mail, they are stating:

"OTTAWA — An unprecedented series of announcements previewing tomorrow's federal budget continued through the weekend as the Harper government pledged to set aside the partisan gamesmanship that turned its last economic foray into a near-fatal political crisis. "We have grown-ups running the budget process," a senior government official told The Globe and Mail.... "There will be no juvenile political games."

The source said the Prime Minister's chief of staff, Guy Giorno, has seen his influence over the budget superseded by two veterans with more than 70 years of combined experience; the Clerk of the Privy Council, Kevin Lynch, and a senior adviser to the Prime Minister, Bruce Carson.

Last fall's economic statement led to the creation of the Liberal-NDP coalition and the near-death of the government. Government officials have pointed fingers at Mr. Giorno, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and at Mr. Harper himself for the statement... Shifting responsibility for the budget may serve to demonstrate to Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, who must decide whether to keep the government alive, that the Conservatives are serious about changing their approach. But whether the Prime Minister can rebuild trust quickly is still a question. [When asked whether Mr. Harper would have done so much consulting without the sword of the coalition hanging over his head, the bureaucrat said "no way, no way. This isn't in their DNA. They're playing against type here." [/i]

I don't think you'll see Harper running for the Conservatives next time around, so they need time to pick a new leader. They're putting out feelers but this could take time. Some pollsters predict that even if the budget is approved, Harper may resign as a show of good faith, and allow the party time to regroup. His days are numbered anyway. It would be the most unselfish thing to do. I'm just glad they're promising no more juvenile behaviour.

Edited January 27, 2009 by Progressive Tory

[Molly]

..but have they turned over the leaf under which they will actually KEEP that promise? Their record on promise- keeping isn't heartening.

15 minutes and we'll find out.

[Progressive Tory]

..but have they turned over the leaf under which they will actually KEEP that promise? Their record on promise- keeping isn't heartening.

15 minutes and we'll find out.

I don't think Harper and his frat boys will keep their promise. Can you see Pierre Poliviere being nice? However, word from on high is that they have no choice. This governemnt cannot be brought down. No more games.

The Conservative's best bet at regaining confidence is to ask Harper to step down. He caused this and the entire Party will wear the shame of the unfounded 'Separatist' assaults. A new Interim leader, who can prove he wants to be serious about working with all elected members of Parliament, may be the only thing to get them back on track. A leadership convention could create a bit of hype and bring about renewal.

The message from them now is that they will do anything to avoid this government's fall. They aren't ready for an election.

The only problem is the Reform/Alliance members. If they leave because they've been told they can't pursue their agenda, it could be years before they're able to rally.

[Mr.Canada]

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a small-c conservative to be the new leader as this would make the most sense. I'm going to put my money on Peter McKay being voted leader some time in mid to late 2009. I'd look for Harper to step down sometime after Obama's visit.

[Progressive Tory]

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a small-c conservative to be the new leader as this would make the most sense. I'm going to put my money on Peter McKay being voted leader some time in mid to late 2009. I'd look for Harper to step down sometime after Obama's visit.

I think he may step down sooner than that, but I guess it depends on whether or not he really can engineer a new tone in Parliament. He's on thin ice.

Do you really think the So-Cons would accept Mackay? He's more Liberal than Harper and I don't believe he's an Evangelist. Their dislike of him at one of the Conventions caused Harper to throw a chair across the room. Do they like him better now, or should we hide the chairs?

[Mr.Canada]

I think he may step down sooner than that, but I guess it depends on whether or not he really can engineer a new tone in Parliament. He's on thin ice.

Do you really think the So-Cons would accept Mackay? He's more Liberal than Harper and I don't believe he's an Evangelist. Their dislike of him at one of the Conventions caused Harper to throw a chair across the room. Do they like him better now, or should we hide the chairs?

More than anything else the Tories want to be re-elected and McKay is very electable and well respected by all sides. He could get a majority as western Canada is a lock, gonna go blue no matter what. We need to focus on the rst of the Ont. seats, Quebec seats and he'd grab those Maritime seats back for us. IMO he's a good choice. Also he's not too dirty so limited mud slinging would occur as his father was also a well respected MP as well for years.

Edited January 27, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[Alta4ever]

I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a small-c conservative to be the new leader as this would make the most sense. I'm going to put my money on Peter McKay being voted leader some time in mid to late 2009. I'd look for Harper to step down sometime after Obama's visit.

If Jim Prentice was to run for leader, it would be between him and Peter Mckay, possible a three way race if Bernard Lord were to enter and if he did it would divide the votes for a Prentice Victory.

But hey would be pushing for a Morton candicacy.

[Mr.Canada]

If Jim Prentice was to run for leader, it would be between him and Peter Mckay, possible a three way race if Bernard Lord were to enter and if he did it would divide the votes for a Prentice Victory.

But hey would be pushing for a Morton candicacy.

I see Prentice as being weaker on the podium than McKay. McKay is a better speaker imo, more forceful and clear. That and Prentice is too close to Ignatieff and I don't think he'd match up as well against Ignatieff in a debate as McKay would. I see Prentice as a Red Tory like Ignatieff. I could be wrong of coarse.

[Progressive Tory]

More than anything else the Tories want to be re-elected and McKay is very electable and well respected by all sides. He could get a majority as western Canada is a lock, gonna go blue no matter what. We need to focus on the rst of the Ont. seats, Quebec seats and he'd grab those Maritime seats back for us. IMO he's a good choice. Also he's not too dirty so limited mud slinging would occur as his father was also a well respected MP as well for years.

You could be right. However, the only reason that Western Canada is a lock is because of the Socons. I still don't see them caving. They've had three years of promises, so there's a very real possibilty that they go their own way. Remember that recent abortion issue when they were all but told to 'shut up'. I think they're getting sick of being told to shut up. I don't think they'll choose power over integrity. I could be wrong.