Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) It's been pointed out to you before (thanks BC_Chick!), So really, you have no argument because the only late term abortions that are done are for health or genetic reasons, which you have already said are OK by you. So, feel free to answer my questions now. (Helpful hint: see posts 43 and 67) So by that definition you support limiting abortions to say 20 weeks and prior? BTW that post doesn't answer any questions on how you could justify walking into an abortion clinic nine months pregnant and getting an abortion. Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 I'll try to keep this short, as your attention span doesn't allow for long posts. Earlier in the thread you said that it is ok to abort a fetus if it is the result of rape or incest, or if there is medical reasons to do so. Is this not also murder? Is the fetus responsible for how it was conceived? I'm just trying to follow your logic here - as I've said before, I fully support a woman's right to choose for whatever reasons seem valid to her, but your position seems contradictory. Can you explain? A woman is raped she has no control over getting pregnant at all. She wasn't a willing partner in the sex. The morning after pill is already given at the hospital as it is so this is pretty much a non issue. Forget the murder question for a moment. Doesn't it seem at least la little bit morally or ethically wrong to get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 A woman is raped she has no control over getting pregnant at all. She wasn't a willing partner in the sex. The morning after pill is already given at the hospital as it is so this is pretty much a non issue.Forget the murder question for a moment. Doesn't it seem at least la little bit morally or ethically wrong to get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy? Why Women Choose AbortionInadequate Finances 21% Not ready for responsibility 21% Woman’s life would be changed too much 16% Problems with relationship; unmarried 12% Too young; not mature enough 11% Children are grown; woman has all she wants 8% Fetus has possible health problem 3% Woman has health problem 3% Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 1% Other 4% Source Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Molly Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 ...get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy? How's that for a break with reality! In the first place, getting an obortion 'on a whim' is as doubtful a scenario as I can imagine.... but thinking it could actually be accomplished 'on a whim' ,'after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy' , even in Canada, just takes it completely over to the other side of the looking glass. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 ...get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy?How's that for a break with reality! In the first place, getting an obortion 'on a whim' is as doubtful a scenario as I can imagine.... but thinking it could actually be accomplished 'on a whim' ,'after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy' , even in Canada, just takes it completely over to the other side of the looking glass. It's legal to do in Canada. So it's fair for me to pose. Doesn't that seem even a bit morally or even ethically wrong? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Molly Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Legal doesn't mean that it is either done or doable. Flying to Jupiter on wings of wax isn't illegal either, but I don't see you or anyone else accomplishing it. To have a health professional involved, the fetus would pretty much have to be non-viable _and_ a threat to the mother. Without health professionals, then it would qualify as a suicide attempt. Either way, 'whim' has nothing to do with it. If you can show me one (1) case of someone aborting 'on a whim' after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy, in Canada, I'll eat my hat without ketchup. If law is to be made, base it on reality, not on fanciful ravings. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 So by that definition you support limiting abortions to say 20 weeks and prior?BTW that post doesn't answer any questions on how you could justify walking into an abortion clinic nine months pregnant and getting an abortion. I don't have to justify it, because it isn't me making the choice. It isn't my choice to make, it is the choice of the woman who is pregnant. However, it has been shown to you time and time again that late term abortions are reserved for severe health concerns - when you can come up with an example (with a valid link) of someone having a late term abortion on a whim, let me know. Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 Ok, so obviously Dr.'s in Canada find something wrong with abortion in the 8th or 9th month even if Pro Choicers don't. Neither of you are answering my question but I guess you have. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Shakeyhands Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Thick Main Entry: thick (5) Pronunciation: \ˈthik\ 5: obtuse , stupid <too thick to understand> Obtuse Main Entry: ob·tuse (2) Pronunciation: \äb-ˈtüs, əb-, -ˈtyüs\ 2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive , stupid http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ WITH links for my citation... amazing huh. Just a couple words that come to mind for some reason. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Mr.Canada Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Posted January 5, 2009 Keep up the good fight people. Together we will win and get our abortion reform so as to save babies lives. Don't give up, keep pushing. The more graphic the abortion pictures you use the better. The more blood the better. I'm looking into printing up flyers and sending them in the mail, posting them on lightposts and inserting them into daily papers. This is a war, don't forget that. A war for the lives of innocent children and the inner destruction of our daughters and mothers. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Keep up the good fight people. Together we will win and get our abortion reform so as to save babies lives. Don't give up, keep pushing. The more graphic the abortion pictures you use the better. The more blood the better. I'm looking into printing up flyers and sending them in the mail, posting them on lightposts and inserting them into daily papers. This is a war, don't forget that. A war for the lives of innocent children and the inner destruction of our daughters and mothers. What are you talking about it is clear the majority of people on this form and in the real world don't want reform. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Posted January 5, 2009 Keep up the good fight people. Together we will win and get our abortion reform so as to save babies lives. Don't give up, keep pushing. The more graphic the abortion pictures you use the better. The more blood the better. I'm looking into printing up flyers and sending them in the mail, posting them on lightposts and inserting them into daily papers. This is a war, don't forget that. A war for the lives of innocent children and the inner destruction of our daughters and mothers. Clear pictures of Second Trimester abortions retrieved from dumpsters outside abortion clinics Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 What are you talking about it is clear the majority of people on this form and in the real world don't want reform. Mr Canada is using the age-old tactic, when the polls don't exist, assert they support your view, when they do exist and undermine your view, simply ignore them and continuing repeating the basic assertion. Quite frankly if I was a member of his local Conservative riding association, I wouldn't let the guy through the door. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Keep up the good fight people. Together we will win and get our abortion reform so as to save babies lives. Don't give up, keep pushing. The more graphic the abortion pictures you use the better. The more blood the better. I'm looking into printing up flyers and sending them in the mail, posting them on lightposts and inserting them into daily papers. This is a war, don't forget that. A war for the lives of innocent children and the inner destruction of our daughters and mothers. Ummmmm...... who are you talking to? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Keep up the good fight people. Be sure to stay anonymous and vote Conservative since they have a leader who has not done anything on the issues and promise more of the same! Quote
madmax Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 vocaling and emphatically are stating just the opposite. You agree with socialist ideals. Prove it.I want to see where Conservatives are claiming I'm agreeing with socialist "ideals". Mr. Canada..... I said, you agree with socialist ideals, I did not say that Conservatives are claiming..... those comments are of your own fabrication. And you can find this information from your own posts yesterday, where you defend the Social Programs that were brought forth by socialists. Keep on the straight and narrow.... Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Mr. Canada has some difficultly tracking all of his fabrications. Quote
madmax Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 A woman is raped she has no control over getting pregnant at all. She wasn't a willing partner in the sex. The morning after pill is already given at the hospital as it is so this is pretty much a non issue. The morning after pill is abortion, which you claim is murder. Forget the murder question for a moment. Doesn't it seem at least la little bit morally or ethically wrong to get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy? Why forget the murder question? You like to bring it up, then bury it when your logic fails. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 Generally speaking, government regulation is seen as a socialist principle. Therefore, government restrictions on abortion would be a socialist ideal. I'm with Melanie. The Social Conservatives are always protesting against 'state' interference. In a country so diverse, religion has no place in politics. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 A woman is raped she has no control over getting pregnant at all. She wasn't a willing partner in the sex. The morning after pill is already given at the hospital as it is so this is pretty much a non issue.Forget the murder question for a moment. Doesn't it seem at least la little bit morally or ethically wrong to get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy? Nobody gets an abortion on a whim. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
madmax Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 ...get an abortion on a whim after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy?How's that for a break with reality! One day, a pregnant women was going grocery shopping. On her way home she saw some new shoes, and bought them. Walked by a car dealership and bought a red VW bug. Then a nice dress. She stopped and had brunch with her girlfriends, and on her way home saw an abortion clinic. Like the dress, the car, and brunch, she couldn't help herself and walked in on a whim.... There's just no way to make this story fit in with reality...... Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 One day, a pregnant women was going grocery shopping. On her way home she saw some new shoes, and bought them. Walked by a car dealership and bought a red VW bug. Then a nice dress. She stopped and had brunch with her girlfriends, and on her way home saw an abortion clinic. Like the dress, the car, and brunch, she couldn't help herself and walked in on a whim.... There's just no way to make this story fit in with reality...... You're absolutely right. Only so-called Pro-Lifers believe that women take abortion so lightly. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
White Doors Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 I support a woman's right to choose up to say 3 months or maybe even 4 month of gestation. If she hasn't decided what to do by then, then she is to carry the baby to term at that time barring life threatening medical emergencies. At that time, the fetus would have a right to life too. I think the majority of Canadians would support this. This is pretty much how it is in most European countries. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Shakeyhands Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 I support a woman's right to choose up to say 3 months or maybe even 4 month of gestation.If she hasn't decided what to do by then, then she is to carry the baby to term at that time barring life threatening medical emergencies. At that time, the fetus would have a right to life too. I think the majority of Canadians would support this. This is pretty much how it is in most European countries. The reality (as far as I know) is that this is how it works now, Mr Canada was asked to provide some sort of proof that this wasn't the case, and so far has failed to produce any. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Molly Posted January 5, 2009 Report Posted January 5, 2009 "Only so-called Pro-Lifers believe that women take abortion so lightly." or that abortion services are really that accessible. Depending on where one lives and the circumstances one lives with, impediments can be very substantial indeed. The word 'whim' has no place in the conversation. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
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