Michael Hardner Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 How about 'keep an open mind if you don't know the facts' 'admit when you're wrong' 'make an effort to understand those that are different from you' 'treat others as you would like to be treated'. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Standard stuff. Follow the 10 Commandments or w/e one wishes to call them. Don't do drugs, use alcohol responsibly or not at all. Value family, respect your elders. Stay in school, don't be a crack dealer and don't shoot people. Always vote. Be a person of your word. The list goes on.If this is a bad thing for Canadians to aspire to then I'm guilty. All rather general, and I can agree with most, but I'm sure when we dig deeper, your interpretation of the ten commandments for example, the fact that you would allow the use of alcohol and not marijuana for some arbitrary reason, the fact that you think people should have to vote even when they don't know what they're voting for or when they simply don't want to...I guess we already disagree. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Posted December 21, 2008 How about 'keep an open mind if you don't know the facts' 'admit when you're wrong' 'make an effort to understand those that are different from you' 'treat others as you would like to be treated'. Well then the message isn't getting through unless people want everyone to be murder victims and crack addicts or hookers. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Standard stuff. Follow the 10 Commandments or w/e one wishes to call them. Don't do drugs, use alcohol responsibly or not at all. Value family, respect your elders. Stay in school, don't be a crack dealer and don't shoot people. Always vote. Be a person of your word. The list goes on.If this is a bad thing for Canadians to aspire to then I'm guilty. SERIOUSLY HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE? The 10 Commandments have no place in our world or our government. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy You shall have no other gods before me You shall not make for yourself an idol You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God How do those 5 apply to average Canadians lives? Edited December 21, 2008 by punked Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 I'd also like to point out, Mr. C, my post from the previous page that explains that the Conservative party is actually losing favour with evangelical Christians, when compared against the average Canadian voter. This basically says that the religious right, what there is of it, is disappearing. And the fact that religious people vote Conservative is influenced by cofactors such as income, age, etc. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) You shall not covet your neighbor's wife This has to do with adultry. I guess you support adultry by what you said. Okl take out those and just deal with the others remaining. Don't steal, kill, Honor your father and your mother, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, You shall not covet your neighbor's goods. Don't do drugs, use alcohol responsibly or not at all. Value family, respect your elders. Stay in school, don't be a crack dealer and don't shoot people. Always vote. Be a person of your word. The list goes on. If this is a bad thing for Canadians to aspire to then I'm guilty. Whats the problem with these and the rest of what I wrote? You guys are so nit picky and petty I'm taking a break from this place. Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Don't do drugs, use alcohol responsibly or not at all. Why have you arbitrarily decided that alcohol is Ok? Quote
punked Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) This has to do with adultry. I guess you support adultry by what you said. No it does not have to do with adultery you really don't know the 10 commandments do you becuase "You shall not commit adultery" is separate commandment. What God is so divine he has to say it twice it has to do with coveting your neighbours wife. This just shows what I have been saying about the Religious right, you are so rightous you don't even take the time to learn about what you are preaching. It is ok though this is only something that you learn in church when you are like 5 I can see how you would not understand it So yah maybe 4 Commandments work. Secular nation and regardless of if I go to church or not tomorrow, which I will be, I would like it to stay that way. Edited December 21, 2008 by punked Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 You guys are so nit picky and petty I'm taking a break from this place. Mr C, A break ? Jeez, it's not like you're exhausting yourself by admitting your many errors, and refusing to back up your assertions. For example, this whole thread - started by you with this: Well as we can Christians are waking up to the secularism that is destroying Canada. Not only that but Christians are starting to vote as the Bible says. For a party that best identifies with Christians, has the best party policies that are in line with Church teachings. That party is the Conservative party or Tories and they are led by Stephan Harper, an evangelical Christian, a family man, a Joe everyman, just like you and me friends. It's a falsehood, backed up with an unproven assertion. The falsehood is that the CPC is gaining in influence in Canada (false) and the unproven assertion is that religious people tend to vote CPC because they're religious, and not for the other reasons. (eg. They're well-off, they're older, etc.) Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
punked Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Why have you arbitrarily decided that alcohol is Ok? Alcohol is ok cause the Muslims are against it. So if we are against it than they win don't you see? Quote
Smallc Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Don't steal, kill, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, Pretty sure we already aren't supposed to do those things. People still do though, and you can't change it by telling them they can't because God said so. Quote
Smallc Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Alcohol is ok cause the Muslims are against it. So if we are against it than they win don't you see? Of course, what was I thinking? I guess I'll have to start drinking now, being as its the christian thing to do. Edited December 21, 2008 by Smallc Quote
Goat Boy© Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) What exactly do politics have to do with a fairy tale? Is Santa Claus going to affect your next trip to the polls? Edited December 21, 2008 by Goat Boy© Quote
LesterDC Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 I thought we realized that politics and religion doesn't mix right about 160 years ago... Quote
Goat Boy© Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 I thought we realized that politics and religion doesn't mix right about 160 years ago... Name that speaker...... I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death. Quote
LesterDC Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Do you remember what Jesus did when he was confronted by the angry mob and the adulterer? He said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Stop this holier than thou malarkey and lets face it, we are all morally imperfect beings.. That is the ULTIMATE message of Jesus Christ. Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven: Luke 6:37 If there was only one Christian mantra that you would remember, it should be "love your neighbour as yourself".. This means you should love your NEIGHBOURS.. not you should love your neighbours unless they are: 1) Potheads 2) Abortionists 3) Homosexuals 4) Immigrants??? (I know you hate them Mr.C) :angry: Jesus tells us to be wholeheartedly tolerant and accepting, if someone leads a "bad life", God will take care of it.. Anyhow, I really doubt that the article holds very much weight.. Mr.C, you remind me of the boy who cried wolf.. I used to take your posts a lot more seriously Quote
Goat Boy© Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Do you remember what Jesus did when he was confronted by the angry mob and the adulterer? He said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Stop this holier than thou malarkey and lets face it, we are all morally imperfect beings.. That is the ULTIMATE message of Jesus Christ. Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven: Luke 6:37 If there was only one Christian mantra that you would remember, it should be "love your neighbour as yourself".. This means you should love your NEIGHBOURS.. not you should love your neighbours unless they are: 1) Potheads 2) Abortionists 3) Homosexuals 4) Immigrants??? (I know you hate them Mr.C) :angry: Jesus tells us to be wholeheartedly tolerant and accepting, if someone leads a "bad life", God will take care of it.. Anyhow, I really doubt that the article holds very much weight.. Mr.C, you remind me of the boy who cried wolf.. I used to take your posts a lot more seriously Well for starters I don't really believe that jesus did any of that stuff that their is zero historical record of. Now the tooth fairy on the other hand, that is believable. You know, empirical evidence. Tooth disappears, money shows up. How can you contend with that? Has to be real! Quote
LesterDC Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Well for starters I don't really believe that jesus did any of that stuff that their is zero historical record of. Huh...? Sorry, your sentence structure completely threw me off.. Anyhow, check out the JEWISH historian Josephus.. He documented the times of Jesus Christ Quote
LesterDC Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Well for starters I don't really believe that jesus did any of that stuff that their is zero historical record of. Now the tooth fairy on the other hand, that is believable. You know, empirical evidence. Tooth disappears, money shows up. How can you contend with that? Has to be real! By the way, spiritual belief starts from intuitive thought. If you want God to come down and show himself to you... Good luck. While the idea of a creator sits well with my reasoning, the tooth fairy does not.. Quote
Goat Boy© Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Huh...? Sorry, your sentence structure completely threw me off.. Anyhow, check out the JEWISH historian Josephus.. He documented the times of Jesus Christ Circumstantial. All recorded sources are christian and are still disputed. Quote
Goat Boy© Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 By the way, spiritual belief starts from intuitive thought. If you want God to come down and show himself to you... Good luck. While the idea of a creator sits well with my reasoning, the tooth fairy does not.. Who said anything about god? I was talking about religion. I believe the god and religion are mutually exclusive. Quote
LesterDC Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Circumstantial. All recorded sources are christian and are still disputed. When are you ever going to find undisputed history... Especially something that is so old Quote
LesterDC Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 Who said anything about god? I was talking about religion. I believe the god and religion are mutually exclusive. Sorry, I thought you were implying God in your argument.. Anyhow, I do agree with you somewhat.. While I do believe in Jesus, I do not agree with some of the "mainstream Christian" ideas.. Label me whatever you want, I don't care. I have my own relationship with my creator and I don't need to identify myself with a large "authentic" church Quote
Goat Boy© Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Sorry, I thought you were implying God in your argument.. Anyhow, I do agree with you somewhat.. While I do believe in Jesus, I do not agree with some of the "mainstream Christian" ideas.. Label me whatever you want, I don't care. I have my own relationship with my creator and I don't need to identify myself with a large "authentic" church Well I mean seriously, what's the first rule of every religion? All other religions are false. For something so true, and accurate.........they're awfully insecure. Edited December 21, 2008 by Goat Boy© Quote
Smallc Posted December 21, 2008 Report Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I have my own relationship with my creator and I don't need to identify myself with a large "authentic" church That's the same kind of thing that I believe in. What I believe is between God and myself. I talk to him all the time (and no, I'm not crazy, so he doesn't talk back) and I don't need to be involved in the church to do that. Edited December 21, 2008 by Smallc Quote
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