Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Three-quarters of Canadian voters who attend evangelical churches (such as Baptist, Mennonite and Pentocostal) opted for the Conservative Party of Canada. In 2008, 64 per cent of church-going Protestants (as opposed to those who rarely attend) chose the Conservatives, compared to 51 per cent in 2004. This year outside Quebec, 49 per cent of Catholics who attend church weekly voted Conservative, compared to just 38 per cent in 2004... SOURCE/FULL STORY Well as we can Christians are waking up to the secularism that is destroying Canada. Not only that but Christians are starting to vote as the Bible says. For a party that best identifies with Christians, has the best party policies that are in line with Church teachings. That party is the Conservative party or Tories and they are led by Stephan Harper, an evangelical Christian, a family man, a Joe everyman, just like you and me friends. Read the article in its entirety it explains things far better than I could. Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I read the article, but it doesn't go into detail on some of what you are claiming. For example, how does the Bible say to vote? I admit I'm not an avid reader of it, but I doubt it mentions the Conservative Party of Canada. What policies of the Conservatives are in line with Biblical teachings? Please be more specific, Mr. Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I read the article, but it doesn't go into detail on some of what you are claiming. For example, how does the Bible say to vote? I admit I'm not an avid reader of it, but I doubt it mentions the Conservative Party of Canada. What policies of the Conservatives are in line with Biblical teachings? Please be more specific, Mr. Canada. The sentence following the one you are questioning clarifies the position. If you aren't familiar with the Bible I'm not going to give you a lesson here, I don't have time. Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I read the article, but it doesn't go into detail on some of what you are claiming. For example, how does the Bible say to vote? I admit I'm not an avid reader of it, but I doubt it mentions the Conservative Party of Canada. What policies of the Conservatives are in line with Biblical teachings? Please be more specific, Mr. Canada. The bible shows jesus healing people regardless of socio-economic condition and asking for no money in return so obviously universal medicare is a priotirty. As well Amos condemns the kingdom of israel for turning its back on the poor (and is consequently led of in chains as slaves)....leviticus says the the poor should be allowed a safety net to feed themselves....Jesus says that if you have a surplus of goods you should give what your don't need to those who do need.... An adulterous murderer with a drinking problem is considered to be God's chosen ( Jesus was his great great great great garnd son) and is exalted as a model of the pious repentant leader (David) In my mind there is only one political philosophy that a pious christian can avow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'm not going to give you a lesson here, I don't have time. If past history is a clue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The sentence following the one you are questioning clarifies the position. If you aren't familiar with the Bible I'm not going to give you a lesson here, I don't have time. I'm familiar enough with the Bible to know it doesn't mention the Conservative Party of Canada, and the rest of your post is too vague to truly explain your position. If you can't support your opening post with anything more specific, you are just wasting bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The Bible also teaches that homosexuality is a sin as is adultry and abortion. Handy how you left those out. The Liberals and NDP support all of those measures in a secular world. A world without God, a world where homosexuality is rampant along with it drug use and HIV. There are 2 choices. A party whose leader votes his faith in our PM Stephan Harper and everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The Bible also teaches that homosexuality is a sin as is adultry and abortion. And what does the Bible say about David and Bathhsheba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The Conservative Party's official position on same sex marriage is that it is here to stay. They aren't actively opposing abortion, either, or adultery, so I'm still not seeing the connection you are making between the Conservatives and the Biblical teachings you are quoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 What a load of horse manure. How about Paul Martin, a devout Roman Catholic, or Chretien, a devout Roman Catholic etc. etc. why not describe other leaders in the same manner. Harper has never played any religious cards, he never discusses his religion or uses it, just more scary scary stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The trend of Christians voting Conservative cannot be denied. They are finally starting to see that we Christians have more in common with the Tories and Harper then the other Parties who wish to further a secular agenda. Secularism is the enemy of Christianity and the Christians are finally starting to understand that. I'm proud of you my Christian brothers and sisters. It's not easy to live life as a Christian in these times under constant attack by the Liberals and NDP. These 2 parties and thier policies are contrary to our beliefs so it makes no sense to support them as Christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) What a load of horse manure. How about Paul Martin, a devout Roman Catholic, or Chretien, a devout Roman Catholic etc. etc. why not describe other leaders in the same manner. Harper has never played any religious cards, he never discusses his religion or uses it, just more scary scary stupidity. Catholics are against homosexuality and abortion PERIOD. There is only one Catholic. Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'm going to try one more time..... Yes, there seems to be an upswing in Christians voting for the Conservative party, at least according to the article you have cited. What I am asking, though, is why? Specifically, why? What is it about the Conservative party that is attracting the religious vote? We know the policies regarding same sex marriage and abortion aren't exactly what many Christians had hoped for, so there must be something else. Please be specific - what is non-secular about the Conservative Party, and which of their policies are based on the Christian religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I'm going to try one more time.....Yes, there seems to be an upswing in Christians voting for the Conservative party, at least according to the article you have cited. What I am asking, though, is why? Specifically, why? What is it about the Conservative party that is attracting the religious vote? We know the policies regarding same sex marriage and abortion aren't exactly what many Christians had hoped for, so there must be something else. Please be specific - what is non-secular about the Conservative Party, and which of their policies are based on the Christian religion? Christians who are regular church goers are more socially conservative then those that do not. Pretty simple. At least with the Tories there is a chance for socially conservative policy. This would never happen with any of the other parties. This is just my opinion mind you. I bring the facts you can take them any way you want. You're a socialist so anything to do with God is foreign to you as Christianity is the enemy of the Secu-Socialist. Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 There is only one Catholic. Last I heard there were 100s of millions.... Forget that there are at least 5 Catholic churches.... Roman Anglo Greek Russian Coptic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Christians who are regular church goers are more socially conservative then those that do not. Pretty simple. At least with the Tories there is a chance for socially conservative policy. This would never happen with any of the other parties. This is just my opinion mind you.I bring the facts you can take them any way you want. You're a socialist so anything to do with God is foreign to you as Christianity is the enemy of the Secu-Socialist. Hmmm, what exactly do you think you know about me? You're making some pretty big assumptions based on just a few posts, asking you to clarify points. When you start a thread, you invite discussion. You invite people to ask you more about your ideas, and to put their own ideas forward. Shutting down discussion with insults simply indicates you aren't prepared to explain your thoughts beyond superficial generalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I don;t think there was abortion in biblical times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Last I heard there were 100s of millions....Forget that there are at least 5 Catholic churches.... Roman Anglo Greek Russian Coptic Greek and Russian churches separated from the RC brand many years ago. Don't try to tell me something you have no idea about ok Dancer. You've over stepped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Christians who are regular church goers are more socially conservative then those that do not. Pretty simple. At least with the Tories there is a chance for socially conservative policy. This would never happen with any of the other parties. This is just my opinion mind you.I bring the facts you can take them any way you want. You're a socialist so anything to do with God is foreign to you as Christianity is the enemy of the Secu-Socialist. Interesting you're making this claim, particularly with a party led by Harper. I still recall years ago when Harper addressed the Reform Party membership about the danger in trying to use Reform as a vehicle to advance religion into the political arena. He flat out told the membership that if they tried using the Party for issues like abortion, homosexuality or any other biblical-based beliefs they would condemn the party to eternally LOSE! His point was that mainstream Canada wanted nothing to do with mixing religion and politics and no party that wanted mainstream support should ever consider going against that. It wasn't long after that we saw Stockwell Day take the party leadership and try to do exactly what Harper had warned us against. It was the dumbest political move Canada had ever seen! The capper was Kinsella's allusion to Barney the Dinosaur, after Day was foolish enough to tell a reporter that he believed the Universe was created in 4004 BC or whatever. Day and his bible thumpers nearly destroyed the Reform movement. I really doubt if Harper has had a change of heart and wants to agree with that demographic today. Edited December 21, 2008 by Wild Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 As a Catholic I prefer it if you don't speak for me, or my denomination. Thank you Mr. Canada. You can Preach you hate some where else. Jesus would have many more issue today then the gays and you are an idiot if you think that would be his first priority or if you actually think that he would be against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 As a Catholic I prefer it if you don't speak for me, or my denomination. Thank you Mr. Canada. You can Preach you hate some where else. Jesus would have many more issue today then the gays and you are an idiot if you think that would be his first priority or if you actually think that he would be against it. You're a shopping cart Catholic if you are one at all. The Bible preaches against homosexuality and abortion in great detail. If you have a copy of the Catechism, you should look those up and see what it says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) I really doubt if Harper has had a change of heart and wants to agree with that demographic today. I fully agree but he Christians is a large portion of voters, that would be foolish to ignore them. Would Harper touch abortion or the queers? I doubt it, I just threw it in to secure the optics, it drives them crazy when Conservatives disagree with them. Edited December 21, 2008 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 You're a shopping cart Catholic if you are one at all. The Bible preaches against homosexuality and abortion in great detail. If you have a copy of the Catechism, you should look those up and see what it says. Bible preaches against a lot of things, it also preaches for tolerance, peace, and forgiveness above everything else. I might be a shopping cart Catholic but at least I know St Peter is letting me into heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I don;t think there was abortion in biblical times. No but their was murder. Same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 LEt's try to stay on topic instead of making this thread about queers and abortion. Which it isn't, ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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