eyeball Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 I can't believe what i am reading............you support drug use and drug trade????....the Government has the responibility to protect us from this scum they should build prisons up north for them away from everything and everyone!!! typical Liberal, when two groups are fighting over the drug trade and only killing each other thats fine...but when their little war starts hurting innocent bystanders what then!! you are proof of why we can never allow Liberals to Govern again.....EVER! The government also has the responsibility to sell people booze. Naturally you don't supprt this and Harper is going to outlaw alcohol and cigarettes too. Like you say we need to be protected from the scum of the Earth. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 I can't believe what i am reading............you support drug use and drug trade????....the Government has the responibility to protect us from this scum they should build prisons up north for them away from everything and everyone!!! typical Liberal, when two groups are fighting over the drug trade and only killing each other thats fine...but when their little war starts hurting innocent bystanders what then!! you are proof of why we can never allow Liberals to Govern again.....EVER! What exactly is your argument? It's pretty tough to discern with all the dysphemisms and rhetoric. Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Well they tried that in Amsterdam and it didn t work ............so there goes your theory!! Read the following article on Amsterdam's red light district which is exactly what you propose, they are shutting it all down!!http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/06/...in4651958.shtml Hmm, well your theory is already gone, because we see it here, and the US... so where do we take it from here. I don't know the full extent of the Amsterdam situation... and who is to say it's going to help? They THINK it'll work... can't really comment on the situation until we see what happens after they shut it all down. While poverty and inequality exists and the world is governed by greed there will be crime.... not saying there will be equality and no poverty... but to think there is a utopia on either side of the spectrum is ludicrous. I don't think there can be a Utopian right, and human nature does not allow a Utopian left. Everyone is too selfish in the world. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 VMG, the point you wanted to make was about government regulation and how an unregulated drug trade leads to the problems they have in Amsterdam. Quote
wulf42 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 What exactly is your argument? It's pretty tough to discern with all the dysphemisms and rhetoric. Simple ! Harper is the leader to lead this country because of his tough views on crime and punishment and the Liberals are not since they support letting violent offenders out after a year or two and to let these scum reoffend again and again and agai...well you get the idea! Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 VMG, the point you wanted to make was about government regulation and how an unregulated drug trade leads to the problems they have in Amsterdam. yea, but my point is still valid... there will always be crime when there is inequality. Even with government regulation there is likely to be criminal activity. I have a solution though... if we decriminalize everything... that means there will be no crime... Success! Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Simple ! Harper is the leader to lead this country because of his tough views on crime and punishment and the Liberals are not since they support letting violent offenders out after a year or two and to let these scum reoffend again and again and agai...well you get the idea! I think you're trying to provoke something with you statements... There's not point to respond to your trolling. Quote
Alta4ever Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 yea, but my point is still valid... there will always be crime when there is inequality. Even with government regulation there is likely to be criminal activity.I have a solution though... if we decriminalize everything... that means there will be no crime... Success! So was theere crime in the utopia of the USSR, apprearently there was no inequality there. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Simple ! Harper is the leader to lead this country because of his tough views on crime and punishment and the Liberals are not since they support letting violent offenders out after a year or two and to let these scum reoffend again and again and agai...well you get the idea! So this has nothing to do with the prohibition of marijuana? Quote
wulf42 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 yea, but my point is still valid... there will always be crime when there is inequality. Even with government regulation there is likely to be criminal activity.I have a solution though... if we decriminalize everything... that means there will be no crime... Success! Can you read ??? i showed you an article which proves the exact opposite! they decriminalized everything in Amsterdam but they had organized crime move in anyway which is why they are shutting it down.........so again your point is useless! Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 So was theere crime in the utopia of the USSR, apprearently there was no inequality there. Good one. Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Can you read ??? i showed you an article which proves the exact opposite! they decriminalized everything in Amsterdam but they had organized crime move in anyway which is why they are shutting it down.........so again your point is useless! I read your article... and as far as i can see they aren't shutting down everything... they are just not allowing as much of it to be rampant and wherever they please... Which is why cybercoma said my point should have been about how it is not very regulated.. The last part of my post was a joke... don't know if you got that.. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Can you read ??? i showed you an article which proves the exact opposite! they decriminalized everything in Amsterdam but they had organized crime move in anyway which is why they are shutting it down. I read that article yesterday... it says they are shutting down a few cafes and brothels because they committed violations. They are nowhere near shutting all of them down- "Measures announced Saturday would affect about 36 coffee shops in the center itself - a little less than 20 percent of the city total. Asscher underlined that the city center will remain true to its freewheeling reputation. "It'll be a place with 200 windows (for prostitutes) and 30 coffee shops, which you can't find anywhere else in the world - very exciting, but also with cultural attractions." Perhaps you are only reading the headlines which propagandists use to generate fear and hype, and ultimately, votes. Quote
wulf42 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 I read your article... and as far as i can see they aren't shutting down everything... they are just not allowing as much of it to be rampant and wherever they please...Which is why cybercoma said my point should have been about how it is not very regulated.. The last part of my post was a joke... don't know if you got that.. My point is crime is getting worse and drugs have alot to do with it............the young offenders act is a disgrace! these young punks hide behind it to literally commit murder knowing they will not get a long sentence if any at all, Harper will put an end to it and these young punks will be treated like adults and be sentenced as such! Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 (edited) My point is crime is getting worse and drugs have alot to do with it............the young offenders act is a disgrace! these young punks hide behind it to literally commit murder knowing they will not get a long sentence if any at all, Harper will put an end to it and these young punks will be treated like adults and be sentenced as such! The illegality of drugs has a lot to do with it.... illegal stuff usually has a lot more value to it than legal things do... Drug trade is worth billions of dollars... As for young offenders, sentencing them adults is not going to do much. and to generalize and say they are all using the system is ludicrous... not to mention if they have enough evidence to support that this was fully meditated they have the ability to try them as adults. maybe parents need to be more responsible for their children's actions.. Maybe instead of stiffer justice we need a better education system... one that does not alienate students because they aren't as "smart" as other students.. and earlier on... more craftsman education along side academic education earlier on in life... such as junior high. Stiffer justice is a temporary solution that isn't going to solve anything... there has to be a line.... right now it's 18 years old... are you telling me you would be in favor of adult sentences for 10 year olds? Where do we draw the line. Edited December 7, 2008 by -VMG- Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 My point is crime is getting worse and drugs have alot to do with it. Sorry but I think you have been misled. The evidence is not in your favour- "Canada's national crime rate, based on data reported by police, declined for the third consecutive year in 2007, continuing the downward trend in police-reported crime since the rate peaked in 1991." http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/0...080717b-eng.htm Looks like you've been fooled again... Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Sorry but I think you have been misled. The evidence is not in your favour-"Canada's national crime rate, based on data reported by police, declined for the third consecutive year in 2007, continuing the downward trend in police-reported crime since the rate peaked in 1991." http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/0...080717b-eng.htm Looks like you've been fooled again... I think what happened is... Crime in general went down... but crime has become more violent.... I can take calgary for example... crime may be going down in general.. but there are more stabbings and shootings and violent crimes than there have been in many recent years.... Now to say that it is getting out of hand or is even close to anywhere else is a little exaggerated lol. Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Well they tried that in Amsterdam and it didn t work ............so there goes your theory!! Read the following article on Amsterdam's red light district which is exactly what you propose, they are shutting it all down!!http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/06/...in4651958.shtml Sorry Wulf! If you want to say that drugs are bad for you I won't disagree. If you try to claim that its the drugs that cause crime then I can't credit you for being logical at all! Drugs incite crime because laws make it hugely profitable! Trying to control it with cops is just spitting into the wind. It didn't work with Al Capone and it doesn't work today. I can understand why so many want to protect their fellow citizens from themselves. After all, there has never been anything as popular as telling your neighbour what to do with his life. What I don't understand is why we waste so much tax money on a futile 'war on drugs' that can never be anything more than a charade. I sincerely suspect that some of our politicians are on the take to drug lords to preserve illicit income. It is a matter of documented fact in Florida that drug lords pay some politicians to keep drugs illegal. I don't know who's worse, the pushers or the hypocrites. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
wulf42 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 (edited) With all respect to you guy's, I am not where sure where you are getting your info about drugs and crime from but .................. http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?Ne...=UNODC&Cr1= http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonis...40-8a1ea775d85d http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...me=&no_ads= Edited December 7, 2008 by wulf42 Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 With all respect to you guy's, I am not where sure where you are getting your info about drugs and crime from but ..................http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?Ne...=UNODC&Cr1= http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonis...40-8a1ea775d85d http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...me=&no_ads= Your solution is stiffer justice... I gave you suggestions for solutions... Throwing money at more police officers and such is not going to stop this. I suppose you also believe that we should be tapping phone calls and putting cameras all over public and private areas in order to catch criminals and to stop terrorism? Quote
Huston Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Too funny since the article was written by a Liberal..................Liberals are finished in Canada for good i am afraid! and Good Riddancei enjoyed watching their destruction, they won t ever get a chance to screw this country again as in the past! No, it just means the conservatives can screw this country. We the people need to reorganize the state, and stay far away from the SPP. Quote
wulf42 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Your solution is stiffer justice... I gave you suggestions for solutions...Throwing money at more police officers and such is not going to stop this. I suppose you also believe that we should be tapping phone calls and putting cameras all over public and private areas in order to catch criminals and to stop terrorism? Yes to a certain extent i do!! It is long known many of these so called Mosques in Canada are nothing more than a place for terrorist groups to send money overseas and plan attacks.....the world isn t any getting safer if you are doing nothing wrong why care if big brother is watching?? Quote
-VMG- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Yes to a certain extent i do!! It is long known many of these so called Mosques in Canada are nothing more than a place for terrorist groupsto send money overseas and plan attacks.....the world isn t any getting safer if you are doing nothing wrong why care if big brother is watching?? lol Quote
wulf42 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 No, it just means the conservatives can screw this country.We the people need to reorganize the state, and stay far away from the SPP. Can't do any worse than the Liberals with all their scandals and corruption from the past....ask someone in the military what they think of the Liberal Government? after they were practically disarmed under the stupid Liberals! Quote
Huston Posted December 7, 2008 Report Posted December 7, 2008 Yes to a certain extent i do!! It is long known many of these so called Mosques in Canada are nothing more than a place for terrorist groups to send money overseas and plan attacks.....the world isn t any getting safer if you are doing nothing wrong why care if big brother is watching?? OMG! it is ok for Canada or the U.S. or the UK to terrorize, though? These so called terrorists exist because of the west intervening on their lives. But somehow Canada is "different" than the U.S... Quote
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