Anti Terrorism Laws.......Thank You Mr Harper!

[drewski]

Some see as a infringement on civil rights......but hey if your not doing anything that your not supposed to be doing....why worry?

thats sounds a lot like the logic I read about that was used by Communists when they were taking over.

I worry because each little infringement eventually adds up to A LOT of infringement, and I hold my privacy rights to be very dear.

[wulf42]

thats sounds a lot like the logic I read about that was used by Communists when they were taking over.

I worry because each little infringement eventually adds up to A LOT of infringement, and I hold my privacy rights to be very dear.

These laws have never affected me...or anyone i know................the only people who should be afraid of Anti-Terror Laws are the terrorists.............if it means catching or killing these terror cells then yes we may have to live with some right infringement...9/11 has changed the world its a sad fact we are going to have to face.......it will never be as it was on and before 9/10....... they (CSIS.RCMP) don't just pull names out of a hat or drag people into the street at random........they are concentrating on those who have known contacts with terror groups ................what it comes down to is this ...we can't win the war on terrorism by playing by the rules ,Al-Qaeda sure doesn't......we have to use every means possible to find then throw in prison or kill these people if it means playing dirty then so be it.

[guyser]

.............if it means catching or killing these terror cells then yes we may have to live with some right infringement...

Tell you what, you freely give up your rights , the rest of this country will hold on to theirs.

Ask your son. He might be able to explain it to you.

[wulf42]

Tell you what, you freely give up your rights , the rest of this country will hold on to theirs.

Ask your son. He might be able to explain it to you.

Actually my son and many of my military friends.................feel exactly the same as i do.....it is war...........If you ever get a chance to go to Afghanistan..you should do it......it will be an real eye opener for you and you could see for yourself what kind of animal these terrorist are

and how they would love to turn Canada into a Islamic state.....don t let the news fool you.....they believe in total destruction of the Infidel which in their eyes is you and me unless of course you are of Muslim faith.....you Liberals just don't seem to get it.....it is all out war against these guys....Have your rights been infringed upon?? i am guessing no... neither has mine that is because you and i are not terrorists and have nothing to fear.......who cares what they do to a terrorist rights......i say do what ever it takes.......secret trials...etc....same as those scumbags in Cuba.... who cares what the Americans are doing to them?? they are the enemy and are the lowest form of life on the planet......!!

Edited October 30, 2008 by wulf42

[Mr.Canada]

Actually my son and many of my military friends.................feel exactly the same as i do.....it is war...........If you ever get a chance to go to Afghanistan..you should do it......it will be an real eye opener for you and you could see for yourself what kind of animal these terrorist are

and how they would love to turn Canada into a Islamic state.....don t let the news fool you.....they believe in total destruction of the Infidel which in their eyes is you and me unless of course you are of Muslim faith.....you Liberals just don't seem to get it.....it is all out war against these guys....Have your rights been infringed upon?? i am guessing no... neither has mine that is because you and i are not terrorists and have nothing to fear.......who cares what they do to a terrorist rights......i say do what ever it takes.......secret trials...etc....same as those scumbags in Cuba.... who cares what the Americans are doing to them?? they are the enemy and are the lowest form of life on the planet......!!

I personally think that they shouldn't have been given any quarter at all. They certainly do not give us any. I would've rather had battlefield executions. Mercy is for the weak.

[wulf42]

I personally think that they shouldn't have been given any quarter at all. They certainly do not give us any. I would've rather had battlefield executions. Mercy is for the weak.

Exactly right Mr Canada..............i think you and i are the only ones on this forum that see terrorism and unchecked Immigration as a real threat to this country.........like you say Al Qaeda shows no mercy ..........we shouldn't either!!

Edited October 30, 2008 by wulf42

[Mr.Canada]

Exactly right Mr Canada..............i think you and i are the only ones on this forum that see terrorism and unchecked Immigration as a real threat to this country.........like you say Al Qaeda shows no mercy ..........we shouldn't either!!

Ruthless people need to be dealt with ruthlessly. It's all they understand.

[Hcheh]

I personally think that they shouldn't have been given any quarter at all. They certainly do not give us any. I would've rather had battlefield executions. Mercy is for the weak.

Exactly right Mr Canada..............i think you and i are the only ones on this forum that see terrorism and unchecked Immigration as a real threat to this country.........like you say Al Qaeda shows no mercy ..........we shouldn't either!!

Mercy is for the weak...sure.. That is how the Al-Qaeda thinks.. I guess you guys agree with each other on somethings eh?

And here I was thinking that we were more "socially advanced" than the Al-Qaeda.

[Hcheh]

Ruthless people need to be dealt with ruthlessly. It's all they understand.

but it isn't all we understand

[guyser]

Actually my son and many of my military friends.................feel exactly the same as i do.....it is war..........

Thats a shame. They dont look past the end of their nose either.

Tell you what, ask the military buddies if all the rules they have to obey can be thrown out. You know, like obeying commands , and so forth.

This country has laws too. We also have rights. So we respect those in order for this country to function as was intended. Same goes for the military . They have rules (rights) that have to be followed so that everything works like it should.

....don t let the news fool you.....they believe in total destruction of the Infidel which in their eyes is you and me unless of course you are of Muslim faith...

Hmm....dont let the news fool you.....now would that be the news that is slanted , untrue and catering to the liberal elite, or would that be the fair and balanced variety and the ones that have the sky falling like you seem to

think

watch.

..you Liberals just don't seem to get it.....it is all out war against these guys....

Yes it is, why today on the 401 I had to dodge a couple of APC's at Dufferin. Phew, Yorkdale Mall was still open.

By the way, where is the war in this country tomorrow? Today Dufferin, maybe tomorrow Ajax?

Have your rights been infringed upon?? i am guessing no... neither has mine that is because you and i are not terrorists and have nothing to fear.......who cares what they do to a terrorist rights......i say do what ever it takes.......secret trials...etc....same as those scumbags in Cuba.... who cares what the Americans are doing to them?? they are the enemy and are the lowest form of life on the planet......!!

My rights have not been infringed....yet.

As for the rest, I care not for their specific rights, I care for all peoples rights. We do not need to trample anyones in order to prosecute. Thats the part you dont get.

And even worse? When "scumbags" get off because their rights are trampled, you will turn around and blame the justice system.

But then plenty of people dont look past their nose.

[wulf42]

Tell you what, ask the military buddies if all the rules they have to obey can be thrown out. You know, like obeying commands , and so forth.

This country has laws too. We also have rights. So we respect those in order for this country to function as was intended. Same goes for the military . They have rules (rights) that have to be followed so that everything works like it should.

Of course the Military have rules that must be followed....the rules of engagement ...............but that is no reason we can't hand over Al Qaeda prisoners to the Afghan Army..............you see they have no such Concerns ...they simply just wait until the Canadian Army is out of sight... same with the U.S. they don t torture so they simply send the scum to countries that do.....these guys are worse than the Nazis in WW2 at least they fought like men and in uniform although for a rotten cause...but today these sniveling little animals hide in the shadows ...............its war!! the people of Canada better hurry and wake up to this fact...............Bin Laden has already declared Canada a target............if you guys had your way we would sing "we are the world" right up until they blow up the CN tower or attack Parliment...............these animals are not people they are a fanatical cancer and the best way to cure cancer is with radiation!

oh and yes i care about rights for peaceful citizens they have nothing to fear .......anybody living a peaceful life and causing no harm will never be affected by the Terrorism Act

Edited October 30, 2008 by wulf42

[Mr.Canada]

Mercy is for the weak...sure.. That is how the Al-Qaeda thinks.. I guess you guys agree with each other on somethings eh?

And here I was thinking that we were more "socially advanced" than the Al-Qaeda.

Taking the high road wouldn't save you if you were over there. It's easy to sit in your comfy house judging when you have no clue what it's like to be shot at daily.

Edited October 30, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[wulf42]

Taking the high road wouldn't save you if you were over there. It's easy to sit in your comfy house judging when you have no clue what it's like to be shot at daily.

Exactly right.....the whole point for us being over there is to keep Al Qaeda and the Taliban to busy fighting for their own hides to attack us here in Canada............you can't fight this war being nice....these guys just don't seem to get that!!

[guyser]

Of course the Military have rules that must be followed

Then you agree with me.

Follow the rules or pay the punishment.

the people of Canada better hurry and wake up to this fact...............Bin Laden has already declared Canada a target............if you guys had your way we would sing "we are the world" right up until they blow up the CN tower or attack Parliment...............these animals are not people they are a fanatical cancer and the best way to cure cancer is with radiation!

For one, no one sings that, Lib or not. Why is that always your and others answer. No one, not one single person here has advocated we do nothing and just sing. You diminish your effectiveness every time you post that.

oh and yes i care about rights for peaceful citizens they have nothing to fear .......anybody living a peaceful life and causing no harm will never be affected by the Terrorism Act

No you dont care about rights. This is where you lose.

Citizens have rights, peaceful or not. We either all get them, or none of us get them.

[wulf42]

No you dont care about rights. This is where you lose.

Citizens have rights, peaceful or not. We either all get them, or none of us get them.

Yes i care about the rights of CITIZENS.... Canadian CITIZENS..terrorist cells operating in Canada are usually here posing as international students or visiting Canada.............however having said that certain Islamic groups that preach hatred in this country should be watched and monitored...actually their rights should be taken away along with their Citizenship if they are Canadians citizens.

here is the situation about terrorism in Canada right from the CSIS Website......read it and see if you still think immediate action doesn't need to be taken!

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/prrts/trrrsm/index-eng.asp

Edited October 30, 2008 by wulf42

[guyser]

Yes i care about the rights of CITIZENS.... Canadian CITIZENS..terrorist cells operating in Canada are usually here posing as international students or visiting Canada.............however having said that certain Islamic groups that preach hatred in this country should be watched and monitored...actually their rights should be taken away along with their Citizenship if they are Canadians citizens.

Watched and Monitored, they already are.

Removal of rights, nope. How does one remove citizenship?

here is the situation about terrorism in Canada right from the CSIS Website......read it and see if you still think immediate action doesn't need to be taken!

Sorry wulf, immediate action on what? That site does nothing but describe what happens and how they infiltrate. Nothing specific, nothing to hang anyones hat on.

We both agree there is concern, what we dont is how to go about it. I say do what they can within the contexts of our current laws , throw the book at 'em if convicted.

You advocate breaking the law to punish them.

[Hcheh]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin

[Mr.Canada]

Thank God we have such a brave leader for PM like Mr. Harper to stand up and protect Canadian people. The Liberals would probably want to give convicted terrorists some grief counseling.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The terrorists have already won. We have changed our lives and changed our society just to acknowledge their existence. Harper is only a minority government politician, that does not give him the "handle" leader. He leads a small partisan faction is what he leads.

Its time for folks to wake up and realize that we are being played. Its time to grow up and achieve a level of discernment that will create the conditions in this nation for a representative of the people to actually provide some true leadership.

Harper isn't the man to do this.

[drewski]

like you say Al Qaeda shows no mercy ..........we shouldn't either!!

so we should become what we are trying to eradicate?

we're supposed to be civilized. Thats is not how a civilized people work.

[drewski]

I think Martin Niemöller said it best

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out.

[wulf42]

so we should become what we are trying to eradicate?

we're supposed to be civilized. Thats is not how a civilized people work.

Terrorist's prey on innocent people..................we should show these animals absolute no mercy...and kill them on capture...by eradicating them doesn't make us terrorist's it makes us smart... i guess you forget who started this war on 9/11...they did we didn't ..........i had respect

for Saddams Army during the Gulf War......at least some of them tried to fight and they fought in uniform and as men..........but these creature terrorists need to be wiped off the planet right down to the last Al Qaeda...no negotiations just simply annilate them.....if not they will soon start killing our kids and Families here in Canada...just a matter of time........................in my opinion there are two ways to destroy Radical Islam..........first way is to expose the Middle East to Western Culture and Westernization of that part of the world and guess what? it is starting to work....Iran for example ...the hardliners are having trouble controlling the youth in the country and they are acting more like teens in North America they are exposed to the Internet and are starting to rebel against Hard Islam..they are starting to see there are better things to do than blow yourself up for Allah.........there are signs of it happening in Afghanistan as well...Saudi Arabia as well , there the young are becoming more interested in fast cars and hot women than Islam...........i saw that for myself!

The second way is what the U.S. is doing now....they are targeting top leaders in the terrorist organization and taking them out one by one...and more importantly they are killing them in areas they thought were safe havens....ie Pakistan and more recently Syria....this will have a devastating impact on their morale and ability to plan attacks...the point is to inflict so much damage and destruction on them...they can't move ,they can't organize, they can't train........in time it simply won't be worth the price for them to continue, After 9/11.. Al Qaeda didn't think we would come to Afghanistan and topple the Taliban...they didn t count on that......but now they fight just to survive.....Iraq was a huge mistake..as bad as Saddam was he had at least strict control of the country , Saddam and Al Qaeda hated each other..they didn t think of Saddam as a true Muslim but more of a playboy Tycoon..invading Iraq was not a smart move... those resources could have been used in Afghanistan where the real war is

Edited October 31, 2008 by wulf42

[guyser]

The second way is what the U.S. is doing now....they are targeting top leaders in the terrrorist organization and taking them out one by one...and more importantly they are killing them in areas they thought were safe havens....ie

You are confused again.

We are talking about here in Canada......and of course , you are a couple of oceans and thousands of miles away.

And if I am wrong, please direct me to the latest killing of terrorists on US soil , without trial and so on.

[wulf42]

You are confused again.

We are talking about here in Canada......and of course , you are a couple of oceans and thousands of miles away.

And if I am wrong, please direct me to the latest killing of terrorists on US soil , without trial and so on.

The U.S. in case you didn t realize.......is helping us in Afghanistan....you know they are our Allies!

[guyser]

The U.S. in case you didn t realize.......is helping us in Afghanistan....you know they are our Allies!

Thats nice. Got any other irrelevant news for me?

here is a hint....we live in CDA, the charges were brought in CDA for actions in CDA......want to talk about the rise in price of jerusalem artichokes as pertinent to this?