The Reason Harper Won!

[Who's Doing What?]

I would bet the farm on it!!!..........lol....... Canada has spoken.. Conservative forever!......... oh and you can thank the Liberal dark years for that!

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2008/10/14/CanTories/

And no Canada won't vote Liberal ever again.............the Liberal party is finished in Canada, the NDP are likely to become the opposition party!

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/features...f5-399ce2c232b7

Let me guess. You just turned 18 and this is the first time you started paying attention to politics.

[William Ashley]

oh and i forgot the three parties sharing their vote versus 1 party with theirs.

I forgot making Canadians more braindead and apathetic to enfranchisement in a political system that is marred in red tape, undemocratic values, and bias against youth and the poor.

[William Ashley]

oh and the overweight and glutons being to overstuffed to get off their buts to vote.

oh and i forgot the three parties sharing their vote versus 1 party with theirs.

[Who's Doing What?]

The reason Harper won...

conceiling information,

lies,

and manipulation of public perception

a cowish population that had no alternative

and vote rigging

and previous election fraud.

Yes

Yes

Yes, although most political parties would be, and have done the same 3 things.

Yes. A lack of an alternative was/is a big part of his popularity.

Don't know about vote rigging. Any proof?

The only possible election fraud was his in and out scheme during the last campaign, and I am not sure if that reallly qualifies as fraud or just a breach of the electoral law.

I don't think we can blame the apathy of voters on Harper. Voter turn out has been dropping for decades.

[Riverwind]

oh and i forgot the three parties sharing their vote versus 1 party with theirs.

3 parties were not "sharing" any vote. If NDP supporters wanted Liberals in power they would have voted Liberal. Same goes for Greens. For example, the Liberals were very much against rolling back the corporate tax cuts which were a key plank in the NDP platform. Who would the anti-corporate voter turn to if the NDP was replaced with a combined party?

[Who's Doing What?]

oh and i forgot the three parties sharing their vote versus 1 party with theirs.

True but the Liberals had the same advantage when the vote was split between the Reform and Alliance.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Who's Doing What?

[William Ashley]

Yes

Yes

Yes, although most political parties would be, and have done the same 3 things.

Yes. A lack of an alternative was/is a big part of his popularity.

Don't know about vote rigging. Any proof?

The only possible election fraud was his in and out scheme during the last campaign, and I am not sure if that reallly qualifies as fraud or just a breach of the electoral law.

I don't think we can blame the apathy of voters on Harper. Voter turn out has been dropping for decades.

Look at the numbers, it is fairly obvious...

Also in my riding Kitchener Waterloo.. there was a recount becuase the Liberal MP telegdi filed a court process. the reported vote was NOT accurate it was actually 28 votes less for the conservative member on the recount. It is under review by the superior court of justice - or atleast the recount will occur under supervision.

However I won't say that the electoral process is crooked or their was funny counts going on. Just that I don't have confidence in security of the system fully. - although there are scruiteneers etc.. allowed at polling stations.

It is very suceptable to false practice. I have no information to give you that would suggest vote rigging outside of the miscount in my riding.

PS the two top people were only 40 some votes appart in the end.. very close race and the over 10 year veteran telegdi got 10,000 less votes than he did in 2006.... seems fishy.

Also it was reported that people were turned away.. KW has lots of students.. and we just moved here in september in many cases, often our ID takes 4 or more weeks to get changed over.. and it was only 5 weeks to get changed id so that they could vote... it is BS that barriers like that are created making it difficult or impossible for students to vote.

Harper's Government certainly hasn't inspired people to vote. It is low and they are just uping the stakes and giving less options and worse government.

Edited October 19, 2008 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

3 parties were not "sharing" any vote. If NDP supporters wanted Liberals in power they would have voted Liberal. Same goes for Greens. For example, the Liberals were very much against rolling back the corporate tax cuts which were a key plank in the NDP platform. Who would the anti-corporate voter turn to if the NDP was replaced with a combined party?

You are an idiot if you think that three left leaning parties wern't sharing voters. There were vote "swapps" arranged in advance.. there were two dramatic fronts on this

DONT LET HARPER IN AGAIN front

and the

WE ARE RICH OR CHAUVANIST OR MISGUIDED - and or people from the west who are codled by the Pro West Harper Government ... basically harper has jacked NB and the West and basically they then sell out canada...

the other places being bum rushed by harper then are left with.. do we vote for the french guys or the people that would need a miracle to get in, or do with give a $1.30 so May and the Pagans can campaign.

It was 3 vs 1... only the split DID have a bloody effect.. some races were just stupid here and you know in many cases a lack of green or NDP votes or the 4 other leftist parties such as libertarians or marxcommulenin groups.. they would vote liberal over the fascists any day of the week.

[William Ashley]

True but the Liberals had the same advantage when the vote was split between the Reform and Alliance.

OK so why doesn't Mr Manning stop watching harper and go for the gold?

Could it be cause they were more than happy to destroy Canadian History and the PC party that melted when a woman became prime minister because an Irish man sold Canada to the Fenians of Mr. Reagan.

Edited October 19, 2008 by William Ashley

[Riverwind]

You are an idiot if you think that three left leaning parties wern't sharing voters. There were vote "swapps" arranged in advance.. there were two dramatic fronts on this

Sure some people seem to think the parties are interchangable but you are fooling yourself if you think this feeling is shared by any but a small minority of voters.

Why don't you try to answer my question: who would the people in favour of corporate tax hikes vote for if the NDP and Liberals were combined into a single party? You are wasting your time ranting if you can't answer that question.

It was 3 vs 1... only the split DID have a bloody effect.

It is a mistake to assume that Liberal voters would automatically go to the combined party. I woud assume that at least half would not vote at all or vote for conservatives if the combined party was any more left wing than the liberals today.

Canadians are centrist by nature and reject the left wing nonsense coming from the NDP as strongly as they reject the right wing nonsense from the old Reform party. The conservatives won because the are a centrist party that abandoned many of the principals that Reform espoused. A combined party on the left would have to do the same and that would leave most NDP and Green supporters feeling betrayed.

Edited October 19, 2008 by Riverwind

[Who's Doing What?]

OK so why doesn't Mr Manning stop watching harper and go for the gold?

Could it be cause they were more than happy to destroy Canadian History and the PC party that melted when a woman became prime minister because an Irish man sold Canada to the Fenians of Mr. Reagan.

LOL

Dude, Drinking and posting don't go well together.

[William Ashley]

Sure some people seem to think the parties are interchangable but you are fooling yourself if you think this feeling is shared by any but a small minority of voters.

I am foolish but not for that reason, the reason I am foolish is to propose you are an idiot without getting to know you first.

I think platform choices and options were common for some parties, also the quality and character of the values of the people were different - the conservatives have a very heavy economic team - the liberals have an interesting humanist team, the NDP likewise tends to have a fairly humanist team.. although not wholey.. if you look who was elected it is largely the "star power" that pervailed.. when voting based on star power.. you have vote splits because some people know one person but not the other, the other factor is the platform and party identity, and leadership identity. The conservatives had a UNIQUE identity that was priarmily economic and justice oriented imo that is elitism.. the liberals seemed median in their approach but because of that faced all other parties on the policy side of things and were left with start power... the NDP had much of the same vote apspect. I wont say they were identical but they were similar enough that the uncommited voters likely had to choose. I think that in part with floor crossings, and the quality of the two major parties - liberals and conservatives.. they are interchangable -- harper himself was a liberal youth leader or something of the sort - the two parties are blurred in some parts but drastically similar in others and on some issues.. the liberals being pro war is one of the major things that split their vote most likely to the NDP. Their support base is generally more left leaning. People who are right leaning will throw in the person they support or the party they support and that won't be the NDP for sure..

Why don't you try to answer my question:

" who would the people in favour of corporate tax hikes vote for if the NDP and Liberals were combined into a single party?" You are wasting your time ranting if you can't answer that question.

Conservatives... --- who would the people against corporate tax hikes vote for if the Liberals and Conservatives were combined into one party. Discounting the floor crossings and past affiliations and friends.

Canadians are centrist by nature

That is a lie, Canada for the longest time has been a left leaning nation. If it wern't for the rich people and control freaks trying to establish order we'd have legalized pot and prostitution by now. If the bikers didn't loose money out of the deal.

The conservatives won because the are a centrist party

A centrist party my and 14 year old buts around the world. They are a right leaning party.. they favour American Mega Corps, raping the planet, and making harsher laws against everything. That is RIGHT not center.

The reason I'm geussing you are saying they are ceneter.. actually no.. the only other thing I have to say is that the only thing that has saved canada from misery under a conservative governemnt re the neocons is the fact they have been held out of a majority. God forbid they ever get a majority.. Canada would be raped more than it already is.

Not that all is bad, just that they really do value making Canada a stale evil place ruled by american intersts by the look of their past actions and present platform.

EDIT HERE: SOrry i thought you ment the corporations taxing the people.. I got it backwards I apologize.

Edited October 19, 2008 by William Ashley

[cybercoma]

Canadians are centrist by nature and reject the left wing nonsense coming from the NDP as strongly as they reject the right wing nonsense from the old Reform party. The conservatives won because the are a centrist party that abandoned many of the principals that Reform espoused. A combined party on the left would have to do the same and that would leave most NDP and Green supporters feeling betrayed.

Great post. I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, I'm with Jeffrey Simpson on the idea that the NDP needs to follow the lead of other social and labour parties around the world and adjust its message more towards the center. Two obvious points they need to file down, among others, are their stance on NAFTA and their stance on corporate taxes. I'd love to see a more competitive NDP Party, but if they don't adjust their message like say, The Labour Party under Tony Blair for example, they're never going to beat their 1988 numbers.

[cybercoma]

[if the Conservatives win a majority], Canada would be raped more than it already is.

Can you tell me specific examples of how the Conservatives have "already raped" Canada and how they would rape it more with a majority?

[William Ashley]

Can you tell me specific examples of how the Conservatives have "already raped" Canada and how they would rape it more with a majority?

Selling resource exploitation rights to foreign companies - continueing NAFTA. Lack of envionrmental protection laws or enforcement.

I have more examples but those are the big ones.

Edited October 19, 2008 by William Ashley

[cybercoma]

Selling resource exploitation rights to foreign companies - continueing NAFTA. Lack of envionrmental protection laws or enforcement.

I have more expamples but those are the big ones.

Your rhetoric hurts your credibility. What exactly are you referring to as "resource exploitation rights"?

[madmax]

Harper won because the Campaign Team did a great job of locking him up and shutting him up when it was critical. The last week. They shut up Harper by not allowing him to stray from the platform. To do that, they held back the platform, so that he would have something to talk about and not spending time shooting himself in the foot or putting his foot in his mouth as he is prone to do. He cost them Quebec. Then they cleverly pulled him from the media on their terms, not like in previous years where Mr. Harper hid in a trailer because of his own stupidity.

His team made the least mistakes and virtually ran a flawless campaign.

Harper also won because DION lost.

Dion should have been locked up, and let the pros go where they needed to get to. Dion had landed from another planet and people didn't want to vote for this green space alien. Not able to connect with anyone and knowing more then the handlers, Dion stick handled him and his party into his own endzone, and let Harper shoot the puck at an empty net. (Sometimes he missed)

With Duceppe and Layton playing defence, they deflected as many shots as they could and sent the puck back into Harpers end zone. (Some call it icing the puck)

But each time the faceoff was back in the Liberal Zone and Dion relied upon a Green Goaltender to back him up.

The Green Goaltender hadn't figured out whose side or team she was on, so she just let the pucks go by one at a time, trying to read the puck that said "CENTRAL NOVA", but it was a 120mile slap shot that went right past her.

The Lib/Green alliance was over. Dion was toast.

That was the Harper Victory

[William Ashley]

Your rhetoric hurts your credibility. What exactly are you referring to as "resource exploitation rights"?

Sadly the list would be too long.. Harper seemed really happy to sell the Artics oil rights to US companies -- go CANADIAN NORTHERN SOVIERIGNTY.

rhetoric.. this is sincerity...

Edited October 19, 2008 by William Ashley

[wulf42]

Let me guess. You just turned 18 and this is the first time you started paying attention to politics.

No idiot.... i am 43 and have been in Politics a long time................appartently it is you who haven't been paying attention, Harper won remember?...........lol!

Edited October 19, 2008 by wulf42

[wulf42]

The reason I'm geussing you are saying they are ceneter.. actually no.. the only other thing I have to say is that the only thing that has saved canada from misery under a conservative governemnt re the neocons is the fact they have been held out of a majority. God forbid they ever get a majority.. Canada would be raped more than it already is.

How could they possibly rape it more than the Liberals already have done in the past?

[William Ashley]

How could they possibly rape it more than the Liberals already have done in the past?

How could = How did ---

not inputing industry protections on foreign ownership of resource extraction companies such as mining, forestry, water, and oil.

Continueing to support Nafta (brought into force force by the PC's) with massive public outcry.

Supporting the continued use of petrochemicals and not offering a government backed alternative to petrochemical fertalizers.. incredibly disasterous for the long run of Canada.

[Mr.Canada]

But see, Harper won't be running against Dion the next time and the next time is going to come very soon - as soon as the Liberals get their new leader.

Harper had an excellent chance to win a majority, make the Conservatives a national party and put Canada sort-of back together. Instead, he blew it.

And people say that Harper's claim to fame is that he's the master strategist!

So as soon as the Liberals have a new leader they will force an election is that what you're claiming?

I hope they do. The Canadian voters will be so upset and vote against the Liberals.

I do hope that happens.

Canadians tired of the constant Liberal corruption, Adscam, countless RCMP investigations, etc.

Canadians have had enough of that sort of government.

Thank God that we have the RH Stephan Harper and the Conservatives to save us.

EDIT - To everyone else. The Liberals are supposed to be a centrist party but have since moved to the left. They are not true to their roots at all. How can the Canadian voter be asked to trust a party that keeps changing its identity?

Edited October 19, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[wulf42]

So as soon as the Liberals have a new leader they will force an election is that what you're claiming?

I hope they do. The Canadian voters will be so upset and vote against the Liberals.

I do hope that happens.

Canadians tired of the constant Liberal corruption, Adscam, countless RCMP investigations, etc.

Canadians have had enough of that sort of government.

Thank God that we have the RH Stephan Harper and the Conservatives to save us.

You hit the nail on the head.................LIBERAL CORRUPTION..........Canadians see this party for what it is ....self serving ...i think Canada has learned after the "Liberal dark years" that this party just simply isn't fit to Govern Canada....the Conservatives have us on the right track

and with any luck next election they will get a majority.

[Smallc]

countless RCMP investigations

Are you sure your not talking about the Conservatives?

[OddSox]

Selling resource exploitation rights to foreign companies - continueing NAFTA. Lack of envionrmental protection laws or enforcement.

I have more examples but those are the big ones.

NAFTA? I was sure the Liberals promised to tear that up - you mean it's still around? They must have cancelled the GST, didn't they?