Bloc stopped majority government

[M.Dancer]

I said nothing about limiting democracy, I simply disagree with the idea of a one-region federal party because it doesn't take into account the needs of the country. It doesn't make sense in my mind to have a party holding the balance of power that doesn't account for the needs of the entire country. It is a FEDERAL election for a reason.

Actually you did.

It is my feeling that until someone takes a serious stand and speaks out against the Bloc being allowed to run as a federal party that we are going to be hampered by minority parliaments, whether Conservative or Liberal.

You alos said an overwhelming umber of Canaidans voted for the Conservatives... when more people voted for other parties.

In both cases you are wrong.

[capricorn]

Answer the question please, is your life worse with Harper in charge than when Paul Martin is in charge?

I say no because:

Tax Freedom Day arrived five days earlier in 2006 compared to last year as tax cuts filtered into the system, although Canadians must still effectively work for almost half of the year before all of their tax liabilities are paid, according to the Fraser Institute, the free market think tank.

This year, Canadians started working for themselves on June 19th. Last year, it was June 24th and the latest that Tax Freedom Day has ever fallen in Canada was on June 25th, in 2000.

Tax Freedom Day then decreased to June 18 in 2001 before increasing to June 22 in 2002 and 2003, and June 23 in 2004.

http://www.tax-news.com/asp/story/story_op...storyname=23962

Edited October 22, 2008 by capricorn

[Mr.Canada]

I said nothing about limiting democracy, I simply disagree with the idea of a one-region federal party because it doesn't take into account the needs of the country. It doesn't make sense in my mind to have a party holding the balance of power that doesn't account for the needs of the entire country. It is a FEDERAL election for a reason.

Uhm, Mr. Harper won seats right across the country in every region, A majority in BC, AB, SK,Man, On, Nvt, and NB. Won seats in every Province except Nfld. The Liberals cannot say the same thing.

How is that not a national party?

The Liberals are more a regional party.

Btw Canadians overwhelmingly said yes to a Torie majority except in quebec. They only won 10 seats there.

Here is a map so you can see what I'm talking about.

[William Ashley]

It has become evident that our country's progress will continue to be slowed by minority parliaments for as long as the bloc quebecois is allowed to run as a federal party. I am not necessarily a conservative but it seems to me that an overwhelming number of Canadians voted in favour of a Conservative government, indeed if it weren't for the Bloc Quebecois putting the brakes on the momentum it would surely have been a healthy Harper Majority. It is my feeling that until someone takes a serious stand and speaks out against the Bloc being allowed to run as a federal party that we are going to be hampered by minority parliaments, whether Conservative or Liberal. Moreover it seems to me that the purpose of the Bloc's existence is to do exactly that...to destroy the integrity of the Canadian parliamentary system and put the leader of the Bloc in a position to blackmail the governing party into submitting to it's demands by holding the balance of power. By splitting the vote it essentially puts Gilles Duceppe and the separatists in a position of power and if their purpose for existing is to break up the country I would have to agree that is exactly what is happening. This whole idea of a one-region federal party (from any region) is ludicrous and in my opinion the Bloc Quebecois shouldn't even be allowed to exist.

I use to think the bloc was a bunch of traitors... and they sort of are atleast on part of the seperatists to canada not per se thier said people, .. however even myself someone who declared my independance and self recognized soviergn status outside of canada I still have a unique situation.. both as someone candians beleive is canadian, and Canada legally to say I am canadian or incapable of making my own choices, re: insane. I understand that everyone deserves the right to be part of the state of their choice - no one should be forced to support a state they don't beleive in or that the values or laws of are not their own. People deserve to be free not forced into servetude of the greedy and inhumane. (also we have to realize honour and rightness does not rest bound within a national legal framework, it transcends to the fundamental state of humanity so the only traitors are traitors of humanity. Government exists to better serve the function of upholding human values and civilization.

I think and feel I understand the many reasons for the bloc - this is not that I feel they have right to the land of quebec more than say the native peoples of canada, or anyone.. but that we all need to be reasonable and understand the needs of everyone. Culural difference in part cause a divide be it religion, language or practice, however it just means we need to unite on a common ground, because we will always be united on a common ground it is just how close we let it be. Really there arn't that many issues of difference between quebeqois and autres canadiens - we should have a right decide our citizenship without economic barriers, and we should have a right to get recognition for our state if we meet the basic principle of statehood - a capacity and willingness to communicate with other states.

There is just a huge cover up by the ingorant, selfish evil and denile laden people.

Edited October 22, 2008 by William Ashley

[M.Dancer]

Btw Canadians overwhelmingly said yes to a Torie majority except in quebec. They only won 10 seats there.

Here is a map so you can see what I'm talking about.

According to your map, Quebec is not alone. The conservatives were NOT the majority in Quebec, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and PEI as well as two of the three terrirtories. I don't disagree that the Conservatives are a National Party, but facts are facts.

[Mr.Canada]

According to your map, Quebec is not alone. The conservatives were NOT the majority in Quebec, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and PEI as well as two of the three terrirtories. I don't disagree that the Conservatives are a National Party, but facts are facts.

You misunderstand. I meant they have support in every region of the country unlike the Liberals. Every region of the country wanted a conservative majority except Quebec which held them back. When I say a majority I'm talking 39-40%, since that is the magic number for a majority of 155 seats.

If you read my post I stated the provinces that got 50%+ of the votes and I didn't include those you just listed, so I don't understand the problem.

Edited October 22, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[Argus]

At this time, my life isn't immediately influenced by the guy "in charge" (and I'd like to keep it this way for as long as possible). I can quote a few (in most part, already mentioned) ways in which Harper in charge has had a negative impact on the country and/or somebody in it.

- failing to deliver on his own promises of open and transparent government;

You had none before him. So how is this having ANY impact?

- ignoring the Kyoto accord and failing to deliver real progress on environment;

Continuing 13 years of tradition. Again, how is this an impact?

- blowing crime scare instead of seriously addressing specific issues with crime policies (gangs, gun control);

Putting thugs in prison IS addressing the issue.

- bland foreign policy in step with that of Bush's administration;

We had no foreign policy before, and we have none now. The only difference is Harper seems more concerned with human rights than Chretien was, and he is more supportive to Israel.

- games around death penalty for Canadians abroad

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And this impacts us how exactly? You mean not filing stern and noble protests ever made a difference anyway?

- cancelling previous program on social development (child care, Kelowna accord);

You mean more money for native chiefs to misspend without any supervision? No thanks.

- running around his own law on fixed election dates;

And since there was no such law previously that again has NO IMPACT. So again, your impacts all seem to be in your head. Or maybe TO your head. Maybe you were DROPPED on your head.

[M.Dancer]

You misunderstand. I meant they have support in every region of the country unlike the Liberals. Every region of the country wanted a conservative majority except Quebec which held them back. When I say a majority I'm talking 39-40%, since that is the magic number for a majority of 155 seats.

If you read my post I stated the provinces that got 50%+ of the votes and I didn't include those you just listed, so I don't understand the problem.

If you mean this...

Uhm, Mr. Harper won seats right across the country in every region, A majority in BC, AB, SK,Man, On, Nvt, and NB. Won seats in every Province except Nfld. The Liberals cannot say the same thing

That an odd way to put it....if less than a majority of voters, but more than 39% ...then the majority wanted a conservative majority....Nope. Don't buy it.

Conservatives got 26% of the vote in NS

36.2 in PEI

16.5 in NFLD

39.4 in NB

39.2 in ON

The only provinces that came clse to wanting a majority would be alberta,manitoba and sask.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm not going to play your game M.Dancer.

Mr. Harper won seats right across the country in every region, A majority in BC, AB, SK,Man, On, Nvt, and NB. Won seats in every Province except Nfld. The Liberals cannot say the same thing. Canadians overwhelmingly said yes to a Torie majority except in Quebec. They only won 10 seats there.

If the conservatives would have won more seats in Quebec they would have their majority, the remainder of the provinces do not matter.

All the above statements are true.

The Liberals are a failed party and will be a very long time before they ever come back into power. Maybe you trust them but the majority of Canadians do not share your view.

[M.Dancer]

I'm not going to play your game M.Dancer.

Won seats in every Province except Nfld. The Liberals cannot say the same thing.

The liberals won seats in every province except one..same as the Tories.

Had the Tories won more seats in Ontario, Nova Scotia and NFLD, they would have had a majority...basically, had they got more votes they would have had a majority.....had they not screwed up their campaign, they would have had a majority. The voters are never wrong, if therer is blame for a tory majoirty to be had, then the Tories are to blame.

[Oleg Bach]

Quebec is a family - and the Block is the family party - We can not blame them for the fact that our "mulit-cultural" and multi-moral society is not cohesive. Sure the Block spoiled the chance for a majority - that is because the rest of Canada does not behave like a majority or a family - we are devided they are united - and a house devided falls in time.