First Presidential Debate

[craiger]

For true sovereignists such as Jacques Parizeau or Camille Laurin, such pandering to passports and money have missed the point. They want (or wanted) a country and want people to assume the responsibility of the State. They want a republic, a true democracy, where ordinary people assume complete responsiblity for the success of society.

The primacy of independence or responsibility did not preclude other negotiated arrangements.

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Do you not mean socialism?

[CANADIEN]

The Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadiens may be similar hockey teams but the simple fact that only one can win teh Stanley Cup ensures that both will strive to be good.

Where have you been over the past 41 tears? Obviously not near the Maple Leaf Gardens or the ACC. Stick to politics

[August1991]

Where have you been over the past 41 tears? Obviously not near the Maple Leaf Gardens or the ACC. Stick to politics

Guilty as charged. While born in Canada, I will readily admit to a general ignorance of modern NHL hockey. (I have heard of Wayne Gretzky and Jean Béliveau.) I enjoy ice skating however.

And I gather that the Toronto Maple Leafs have won the Stanley Cup, no?

[CANADIEN]

Guilty as charged. While born in Canada, I will readily admit to a general ignorance of modern NHL hockey. (I have heard of Wayne Gretzky and Jean Béliveau.) I enjoy ice skating however.

And I gather that the Toronto Maple Leafs have won the Stanley Cup, no?

Not since 1967, and their history since has been one of bad management, bad teams... and sellout crowds at each and every game.

When people write that immigrants should assimilate by, among other things, becoming hockey fans, I think that it means assimilation means hating the Leafs.

Edited September 29, 2008 by CANADIEN

[stevoh]

I thought the debate went well and that both candidates did the most important job, showing clearly the differences between them and their approaches to the economy and the war in Iraq.

While I don't appreciate the Spain comment, or any of the other digs, I do appreciate that Obama showed McCain respect, looked at him during talking, said "McCain is right" a few times, generally showed McCain the respect a presidential candidate deserves. He is the diplomacist he claims to be.

McCain on the other hand wouldn't even look at Obama. Like his very presence offended him. Its pretty obvious who is the real bi-partisan here. Bi-partisans can look at the person they disagree with, because even people you disagree with deserve respect and have good ideas.

McCain appears to me to be an excellent "no compromise" war general. I dont' think thats what America needs right now. While I think that sometimes the no-compromise approach can work, you have to carefully balance that approach and diplomacy. I don't have faith that McCain could pull that off. He seems more like a "here are the terms, like it or leave it" kind of person.

The best route to solving major issues with other countries is not always the military route. I dont' think McCain gets that.