Tories defend interests of Quebec nationalists: PM

Leafless · September 19, 2008

And perhaps you might be inclined to explain why, if in your mind the accord was just about Distinct Society, why it did not pass in Quebec but had overwhelming support in PEI?

You pointed it out so you can have least the courtesy to explain it. It is your view not mine.

Six provinces rejected the accord, period.

capricorn · September 19, 2008

A PM defending Quebec nationalism is denouncing Canada as a country.

Only when it is a PM from Quebec.

cybercoma · September 19, 2008

Any province in Canada can claim 'nation status' as a nation within Canada.
'Nation status within Canada' means nothing.

Multiculturalism which Quebec is part of is destroying Canada.

Quebec's differs from the rest of Canada relating to its adhereing to Quebec provincial nationalism rather than Canadian nationalism.

Quebec first, Canada second is unacceptable.

Canada's language of commerce is the free flowing, freely chosen English language used by the majority of Canadians throughout Canada.

Quebec's minority language French is being improperly and unfairly propagated by forces of federal, provincial and municipal government by utilizing laws that have never been debated on a national or provincial or municipal scale or approved by referendum in Quebec or outside of Quebec.

Do you actually believe what you're posting or do you just react?

M.Dancer · September 19, 2008

You pointed it out so you can have least the courtesy to explain it. It is your view not mine.
Six provinces rejected the accord, period.

That's correct, 6 provinces rejected the accord, not distinct status.....

CANADIEN · September 19, 2008

Oh so you think the Charletown accord was just about Distinct society? You mean it didn't have anything to do with the federal governments responsibilities towards: health care and education, the elimination of provincial trade barriers or aboriginal self government or the elected senate?
And perhaps you might be inclined to explain why, if in your mind the accord was just about Distinct Society, why it did not pass in Quebec but had overwhelming support in PEI?

Fact is... there was probably as many reasons why the accord was rejected as there were people who rejected it.

Edited September 19, 2008 by CANADIEN

CANADIEN · September 19, 2008

Do you actually believe what you're posting or do you just react?

He does believe it. Even when he writes one thing then the total opposite.

CANADIEN · September 19, 2008

Yes it is wrong.
A PM defending Quebec nationalism is denouncing Canada as a country.

says the guy who has denounced Canada as a foreign enclave.. Whatever...

Topaz · September 19, 2008

Harper NEEDS Quebec just to stay at minority status since he won't get much support from the Atlantic provinces and Ontario, think about it.

Leafless · September 19, 2008

Harper NEEDS Quebec just to stay at minority status since he won't get much support from the Atlantic provinces and Ontario, think about it.

I do think about how Mr. Harper needs a pile of separatist to win a majority government.

Do you call this sane politics?

I call it dysfunctional politics and Harper should be smart enough to tell the country he is no longer interested pandering to a pile of separatist.

Leafless · September 19, 2008

Do you actually believe what you're posting or do you just react?

Direct me to the part of that post that you feel is incorrect.

cybercoma · September 19, 2008

With the failure of the Charlottetown Accord resulting with 'no' special staus for Quebec'.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...753C1A964958260

You said Canadians rejected Quebec as a distinct society in your last post. You didn't say Canadians rejected "special" status for Quebec, as outlined by the Charlottetown Accord. Those have two very different meanings.

cybercoma · September 19, 2008

Is it wrong if the Prime Minister of Canada defends the specific interests of Quebec within a united Canada?

I think we've yet to see the greatest Prime Minister this country is to ever have. That Prime Minister, IMO, will recognize this country is made up of several "specific interests," as you call them, in a single united Canada. This is why I believe the decentralization of government is so important to our country. The majority of power should be closer to the people, ie: in the hands of the provinces. This way, our distinct regional identities will thrive as patches on a quilt. On a national scale, our federal government should be the backdrop on which that patchwork is held together. That's my vision of our nation, but I might be crazy.

Leafless · September 19, 2008

says the guy who has denounced Canada as a foreign enclave.. Whatever...

I said Canada has become a foreign enclave.

This is not denouncing the country.

But a PM who goes to bat and rewards the type of Quebec nationalist that has endangered the existence of Canada is denouncing Canada as a country.

cybercoma · September 19, 2008

Yes it is wrong.
A PM defending Quebec nationalism is denouncing Canada as a country.

I think you're completely missing the boat on what "nation" means in the context of Quebec society.

The Quebecois are distinct culturally and linguistically. Refusing to acknowledge that will not make a bit of difference because it is who they are as a people. What Quebec is not is a seperate country from Canada. Their culture and society is a different model under the same Canadian brand, distinct yet a part of who we are as a country.

CANADIEN · September 20, 2008

I said Canada has become a foreign enclave.
This is not denouncing the country.

But a PM who goes to bat and rewards the type of Quebec nationalist that has endangered the existence of Canada is denouncing Canada as a country.

What you have done on this site is denouncing my country, Canada, denigrating it, insulting its head of State (I may not be a Monarchist, but until proven otherwise the Queen is the Head of State of my country). You don't like Canada, let me help you pack and show you the way out.

CANADIEN · September 20, 2008

I think you're completely missing the boat on what "nation" means in the context of Quebec society.
The Quebecois are distinct culturally and linguistically. Refusing to acknowledge that will not make a bit of difference because it is who they are as a people. What Quebec is not is a seperate country from Canada. Their culture and society is a different model under the same Canadian brand, distinct yet a part of who we are as a country.

Missing the boat? He's in the middle of the desert.

Well put btw.

Leafless · September 20, 2008

You said Canadians rejected Quebec as a distinct society in your last post.

YES.

You didn't say Canadians rejected "special" status for Quebec, as outlined by the Charlottetown Accord. Those have two very different meanings.

Both Quebec as a 'distinct society in the 'Meech lake Accord' FAILED and 'special staus for Quebec' relating to the Charlottetown Accord FAILED.

There are no official federal documents of any kind stating Quebec is a 'distinct society' or that Quebec is entitled to special status.

This shows how FRAUDULENT the 'Charter of rights and Freedoms' is. It does in fact give Quebec 'special status' not decided by referendum.

Edited September 20, 2008 by Leafless

Leafless · September 20, 2008

What you have done on this site is denouncing my country, Canada, denigrating it, insulting its head of State (I may not be a Monarchist, but until proven otherwise the Queen is the Head of State of my country). You don't like Canada, let me help you pack and show you the way out.

Canada is my Country.

I just don't like people like you.

Let me help you pack and show you the way back to France.

CANADIEN · September 20, 2008

YES.
Both Quebec as a 'distinct society in the 'Meech lake Accord' FAILED and 'special staus for Quebec' relating to the Charlottetown Accord FAILED.

There are no official federal documents of any kind stating Quebec is a 'distinct society' or that Quebec is entitled to special status.

This shows how FRAUDULENT the 'Charter of rights and Freedoms' that do give Quebec special status not decided by referendum.

Either there are no federal documents granting a special status to Quebec, or there is at least one, namely the Charter. Make up your mind, will you?

Smallc · September 20, 2008

Canada is my Country.
I just don't like people like you.

Let me help you pack and show you the way back to France.

Canada had two (at minimum) founding peoples. Get over it.

CANADIEN · September 20, 2008

Canada is my Country.

I thought it was a foreign enclave. Make up your mind will you?

I just don't like people like you.

You mean French-speaking Canadians. Nice of you to finally admit it.

Let me help you pack and show you the way back to France.

Thanks, but I've already visited France before. Next trip will be Greece, and England after that. And I'll pack myself, but thanks for offering.

Leafless · September 20, 2008

Either there are no federal documents granting a special status to Quebec, or there is at least one, namely the Charter. Make up your mind, will you?

Read and pay attention.

There are no official federal documents decided by referendum ( as with the Charlottetown Accord or Meech Lake Accord) that states Quebec is entitled to special status or is a distinct society.

Rights given to Quebec in the discriminatory Charter of Rights and Freedoms, relating to Quebec makes a mockery out of the Charlottetown Accord. These rights were LEGISLATED and NOT implemented by referendum.

This proves Canada's government is dysfunctional and is ruled by centralized dictatorial form of government.

Leafless · September 20, 2008

You mean French-speaking Canadians. Nice of you to finally admit it.

Not French Canadians, just people like you, Quebec NATIONALIST.

Leafless · September 20, 2008

Canada had two (at minimum) founding peoples. Get over it.

Please give me a clear definiton what that is supposed to mean?

CANADIEN · September 20, 2008

Read and pay attention.
There are no official federal documents decided by referendum ( as with the Charlottetown Accord or Meech Lake Accord) that states Quebec is entitled to special status or is a distinct society.

Rights given to Quebec in the discriminatory Charter of Rights and Freedoms, relating to Quebec makes a mockery out of the Charlottetown Accord. These rights were LEGISLATED and NOT implemented by referendum.

This proves Canada's government is dysfunctional and is ruled by centralized dictatorial form of government.

It is because we all ready that everyone on this thread laugh at you.

You know of ocurse that the Charter pre-dates the Charlottetown Accord, and the Charlottetown Referendum was about the Charlottetown Accord, not the Charter. and you know of course that that there was no referendum on the Meech Lake Accord.

Oops, I forgot, it's you. You don't know.

And to quote your own words, either there are no federal document OF ANY KIND (your own words) granting a special status to Quebec, or the Charter (a federal document) grants such a status. Make up your mind, will you?

PS: You are of course welcome at any time to show the exact wwords in the Constitution (including the Charter) that gives any province a special status.