Want To Tick Off John?

[Galahad]

Reading the article "Colliding with Camelot" in today's NP I was amazed to find out that .... (and I quote):

"Until just a few years ago, everyone in Massachusetts, including Mr. Kerry, assumed he came from Irish Roman Catholic stock. Then it was discovered his grandfather, Frederick Kerry, was originally Fritz Kohn, a Czech Jew who changed his name and converted. He moved to the United States in 1905 and prospered as a business consultant in Chicago, before going into the shoe business in Massachusetts."

Having been born in the Czech Republic, and still having contacts there, I immediately called my most trustworthy contact , Jerry Pokorny, to give me the real scoop on Fritz Kohn.

He said:

"Ru, my friend, don't quote me on this, but this is what I think transpired.

Fritz was a successful shoemaker here, but like many a shoemaker in Czecho back then, he was put out of business by the GSMOAT (Greatest Shoemaker Of All Time), Tomas Bata. So he hightailed it to Austria to ply his trade there. He then saw that Bata was already blowing shoemakers out of the water in Austria too, and so he became disgusted with his fellow Jew, Tomas, renounced his religion and hightailed it to America. There he soon started itching to get back into the business he knew the best, shoes. But the GSMOAT was relentless, and soon after Fritz opened up shop Bata also invaded the US, opening up factories, left, right and center.

And so poor Fritz said to himself ... "enough already " fell into despair and commited suicide in 1921. That's what I think happened. But as I said before, Rudyard Sileny (Rudyard the Insane), it's only my opinion so again, please, don't quote me on this! CAPICE?"

I trust that Jerry is right. How about you?

Ru

[Galahad]

"Until just a few years ago, everyone in Massachusetts, including Mr. Kerry, assumed he came from Irish Roman Catholic stock. Then it was discovered his grandfather, Frederick Kerry, was originally Fritz Kohn, a Czech Jew who changed his name and converted."

Isn't ANYBODY amazed that John Kerry didn't know?

Madeleine Albright didn't know she was a Czech Jew either.

Does anyone actually BELIEVE that?

[Galahad]

What in hell is Kerry doing now? First of all he is trying to quash all of the info about his Czech/Jewish heritage that is circulating in Europe & now he has Burke's Peerage trying to drum up British Royal connections.

I'm finding this all rather disgusting & my guess is that if American Jews get wind of this (traditionally Democratic voters) they're not going to be impressed.

This guy is the ultimate phony porch climber ... and I'm starting to think that he's a pretty nasty piece of work (as must his first wife upon being dropped for a wealthier model). Not only can he trace his lines back to King James, but also to the local cobbler with a yarmulke. But we won't hear about THAT side of his family .... will we?

Unless Harold Brooks-Baker (below) has different motives .... in which case WATCH OUT, Hollywood is going to turn Republican in a New York minute after his findings.

From today's National Post:

Bluer blood means Kerry likely to dethrone Bush, British theory holds

If royal genes have any influence, John Kerry looks destined to dethrone George W. Bush in November's U.S. presidential election. According to a theory its British proponents say has proved suprisingly accurate over the past century, the candidate with the bluest blood in his veins will win. 'Our research is not yet complete but my bet is that Kerry has more royal connections and that he is more noble than President Bush,' said Harold Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's Peerage. Mr. Kerry can trace his roots back to the first Massachusetts governor, John Winthrop and a host of royals in Europe. 'Kerry can almost certainly be traced back to King James I and to the bloodlines straight through the Windsor and Hanover families,' he said."

[Galahad]

Until just a few years ago, everyone in Massachusetts, including Mr. Kerry, assumed he came from Irish Roman Catholic stock.

It appears that the Yanks are aware of Kerry's little secret, but the die-hard Democrats are just allowing him to maintain his fantasy world wherein he hails from the Emerald Isle.

This, from Maureen Dowd's column in the New York Times today:

"Still showing his phantom Irish side , he [Kerry] pronounced Leon Uris's 'Trinity' his favorite novel, and said he once explored making it into a movie ."

Maybe if he closes his eyes & clicks his heels three times, he'll have a grandfather named Padraig Kerry instead of Fritz Kohn. It worked for Dorothy.

[Galahad]

Have you seen the latest story wherein Kerry boasts about his global popularity during a campaign appearance in Florida?

Said he:

"I've met foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly, but boy they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' Things like that."

Now which foreign leaders would that be? Kim Sung Il? Assad? Mubarrak? Yeah...they probably prefer Kerry to Bush.

[Black Dog]

What the hell difference does it make if Kerry's grandfather was a Jew, an Irishman or the Shah of Iran, aside from having the good makings of a "three guys walk into a bar" joke? This has as much relevance to the campaign as the fact that Dubya's grandfather traded with the Nazis.

[Galahad]

What the hell difference does it make if Kerry's grandfather was a Jew, an Irishman or the Shah of Iran, aside from having the good makings of a "three guys walk into a bar" joke? This has as much relevance to the campaign as the fact that  Dubya's grandfather traded with the Nazis.

Black Dog -

Welcome to the Mapleleaf Bush campaign headquarters. It was getting lonely in here...glad you dropped by.

OF COURSE it doesn't matter if the guy is half Welsh Corgi. What DOES matter is that he continues to try perpetuate the myth that he's Irish. This is a bloody insult to every Jew in America & I want them to wake up, smell the Matzo balls & vote for an HONEST fellow...George W. Bush.

And everyone traded with the Nazis...don't be ridiculous.

[Black Dog]

OF COURSE it doesn't matter if the guy is half Welsh Corgi. What DOES matter is that he continues to try perpetuate the myth that he's Irish. This is a bloody insult to every Jew in America & I want them to wake up, smell the Matzo balls & vote for an HONEST fellow...George W. Bush.

Do you have Kerry on record as denying his Jewish heritage? And, to say he's a Jew is incorrect: his grandfather was, Kerry is a practicing Catholic.

It's still a non-issue. Indeed more could be made of the Conneticutt -born and raised Dubya making pretend he's a Texan.

And everyone traded with the Nazis...don't be ridiculous.

And that makes it right? Also, how many actually had their assets seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act?

[Galahad]

Do you have Kerry on record as denying his Jewish heritage? And, to say he's a Jew is incorrect: his grandfather was, Kerry is a practicing Catholic.

It's still a non-issue. Indeed more could be made of the Conneticutt -born and raised Dubya making pretend he's a Texan.

And everyone traded with the Nazis...don't be ridiculous.

And that makes it right? Also, how many actually had their assets seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act?

No he isn't screaming "it's untrue"....he's being much more underhanded & sly about it all...discussing his love of the book "Trinity" etc etc. It's hilarious, considering that the Irish were just about as hated at the turn of the century as the Jews. But I guess he really does think he's a Kennedy.

I just find it bloody amusing that he & Albright were so oblivious to their backgrounds ( I'm not talking 10 generations back...I'm talking Gramps) & co-incidently both the backgrounds were European Jews.

Aside from adoptees...do YOU know anyone who doesn't know where their grandfathers were from?

I just find it VERY distasteful, like all subtle anti-semitism is. I prefer the KKK...at least it's there to be seen in all of it's insanity.

Oh get over the trading with the Nazis thing or I'll yank up a picture of Roosevelt & Churchill smiling with Stalin.

We didn't exactly ban Volkswagens here after the war either.

[Black Dog]

No he isn't screaming "it's untrue"....he's being much more underhanded & sly about it all...discussing his love of the book "Trinity" etc etc. It's hilarious, considering that the Irish were just about as hated at the turn of the century as the Jews. But I guess he really does think he's a Kennedy.

I just find it bloody amusing that he & Albright were so oblivious to their backgrounds ( I'm not talking 10 generations back...I'm talking Gramps) & co-incidently both the backgrounds were European Jews.

Aside from adoptees...do YOU know anyone who doesn't know where their grandfathers were from?

First, the initial article you quoted said:

Until just a few years ago, everyone in Massachusetts, including Mr. Kerry, assumed he came from Irish Roman Catholic stock. Then it was discovered his grandfather, Frederick Kerry, was originally Fritz Kohn, a Czech Jew who changed his name and converted.

(emphasis mine)

So Kerry himself was unaware until recently and it's apparent his gramps trook great pains to hide the fact that he was Jewish. Kerry, it should be pointed out again, is not. And since when is it "underhanded" to profess one's love for a novel?

Aside from adoptees...do YOU know anyone who doesn't know where their grandfathers were from?

I just find it VERY distasteful, like all subtle anti-semitism is. I prefer the KKK...at least it's there to be seen in all of it's insanity.

I don't know where either of my gramps were from. One was German, but from where i don't know, the other Ukranian.

As for your charge of anti-semitism...pardon my language, but that's total bullshit. Jesus, the campaign hasn't even started yet and you're already sounding desperate.

Oh get over the trading with the Nazis thing or I'll yank up a picture of Roosevelt & Churchill smiling with Stalin.

We didn't exactly ban Volkswagens here after the war either.

First: Stalin's Soviet Union was part of the Allied effort against the Nazis. In fact, the Soviet Union was what kept the Nazis from victory. Do you have a point?

Secondly: we didn't have Volkswagens here during the war. Volkswagen didn't enter the North American market till 1949. Get your facts straight.

[Galahad]

And since when is it "underhanded" to profess one's love for a novel?

Yeah...right...a novel about the history of IRELAND. Notice he didn't pick Uris's OTHER novel "Exodus".

I don't know where either of my gramps were from. One was German, but from where i don't know, the other Ukranian.

If he was German it's a fair bet he was German. And the one from the Ukraine was Ukranian. Your problem is now solved. Jewish undoubtedly.

As for your charge of anti-semitism...pardon my language, but that's total bullshit. Jesus, the campaign hasn't even started yet and you're already sounding desperate.

It's NEVER too early to start.

Secondly: we didn't have Volkswagens here during the war. Volkswagen didn't enter the North American market till 1949. Get your facts straight.

So AFTER we KNEW what Hitler was all about we said "let's get that guy's invention over here !" That makes sense...let the Jewish refugees we got from the camps buy them. That's real sensitive.

[Black Dog]

Yeah...right...a novel about the history of IRELAND. Notice he didn't pick Uris's OTHER novel "Exodus".

Irrelevant. If he cited "Harry Potter" as his favorite book, you'd probably accuse him of pretending to be a wizard. Why not target his record or his views, instead of trying to make something of this non-issue.

If he was German it's a fair bet he was German. And the one from the Ukraine was Ukranian. Your problem is now solved. Jewish undoubtedly

Geez, here I thought I was Irish Catholic . (Actually, I looked into it: maternal gramps was Catholic, paternal was Russian Orthodox.)

It's NEVER too early to start.

Well if it was your intention to make an early play for "most ridiculous attempt at mud-slinging", then congratulations! You've done well.

AFTER we KNEW what Hitler was all about we said "let's get that guy's invention over here !" That makes sense...let the Jewish refugees we got from the camps buy them. That's real sensitive

*rubs temples, sighs deeply*

Hitler was dead by then. Again, what's your point?

[Galahad]

You've done well.

Thank you.

I guess I've just caught onto Democrats with a Jewish heritage after being totally horrified when I read this passage in Madelaine Albright's memoirs about the day she was named Secretary of State & was told of her Jewish background:

"It should have been a time of absolute happiness. But it was not. I accomplished something that no other woman before me had accomplished, but at that moment I was sure I'd lose it all because I wasn't aware until that day that I was of Jewish parentage and that three of my grandparents died in a concentration camp."

She thought that she'd be dumped by Clinton because she was of Jewish heritage??? Think through the implications of THAT thought process. Then tell me that there is no possibility that Kerry is having the same thoughts.

Bet we'll see him with a sheleleigh next Wednesday.

[Black Dog]

Thank you.

You're not welcome.

guess I've just caught onto Democrats with a Jewish heritage after being totally horrified when I read this passage in Madelaine Albright's memoirs about the day she was named Secretary of State & was told of her Jewish background:

"It should have been a time of absolute happiness. But it was not. I accomplished something that no other woman before me had accomplished, but at that moment I was sure I'd lose it all because I wasn't aware until that day that I was of Jewish parentage and that three of my grandparents died in a concentration camp."

She thought that she'd be dumped by Clinton because she was of Jewish heritage??? Think through the implications of THAT thought process. Then tell me that there is no possibility that Kerry is having the same thoughts.

Bet we'll see him with a sheleleigh next Wednesday.

First, you're clearly putting words in Albright's mouth. What was so horrifying about that quote? Imagine how shocked you would be if you found out that everything you thought you knew of your background was wrong. It'd be a shock to anyone.

Second, none of this has any bearing on, well, anything. It's a non-issue. Given how important the Jewish constituency is to the Democrats, I'm surprised Kerry isn't out at Shabbat dinner sporting a yamukle.

Anyway, give it a rest.

[Galahad]

Now which foreign leaders would that be? Kim Sung Il? Assad? Mubarrak? Yeah...they probably prefer Kerry to Bush.

Looks like I was bang on.

Charles Krauthammer writes in yesterday's National Post:

"It's not John Kerry's fault that he is endorsed by a Frenchman. ( Or by Kim Jong Il of North Korea, whose media have been running some of Kerry's speeches verbatim!)"

( Ok...so I said Kim "SUNG" Il & spelled Mubarak with two R's....give me a little break here).

Now how does that saying go? The friend of my enemy is an enemy of mine too?

[Galahad]

Another good line for the Mapleleafweb Bush headquarters.

Yesterday Kerry said that he wanted to start monthly debates with Bush beginning in the spring.

The reply from the Bush camp?

"Kerry should finish up the debate with himself first before he tries to take on Bush".

Fantastic!

PS - I hear that George W. Bush & Vladimir Putin have a personal bet going on who's going to score more popularity votes in this year's elections. If this is true I'd put my money on Bush if I were you.

[Black Dog]

Maybe Bush should debate Bush. Oh wait, he did.

Classic from the Daily Show.

JS: We're going to have an honest, open debate between the President of the United States and the one man we believe has the insight and the cojones to stand up to him: so first, joining us tonight George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States, welcome Mr. President.

Pres: Good evening I'm pleased to take your questions tonight.

JS: Well thank you very much sir, I'm pleased to ask them. Taking the other side, joining us from the year 2000, Texas governor and Presidential candidate, George W. Bush.

Gov: Good evening.

JS: Thank you Governor. Mr. President, you won the coin toss, the first question will go to you. Why is the United States of America using its power to change governments in foreign countries?

Pres: We must stand up for our security and for the permanent rights and the hopes of mankind. The USA will make that stand.

JS: Well certainly that represents a bold new doctrine in foreign policy, Mr. President. Governor Bush, do you agree with that?

Gov: I'm not so sure the role of the United States should be to go around the world and say "this is the way it's gotta be."

JS: Alright, well that's interesting. That's a difference of opinion, and certainly that's what this country is about, differences of opinion. Mr. President, let me just get specific. Why are we in Iraq?

Pres: Well, umm... we will be changing the regime of Iraq... for the good of the Iraqi people.

JS: Governor, then I'd like to hear your response on that.

Gov: If we're an arrogant nation, then they'll resent us. I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the Ugly American is to go around the world saying "we do it this way, so should you."

[Galahad]

Maybe Bush should debate Bush. Oh wait, he did.

Classic from the Daily Show.

JS: We're going to have an honest, open debate between the President of the United States and the one man we believe has the insight and the cojones to stand up to him: so first, joining us tonight George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States, welcome Mr. President.

Pres: Good evening I'm pleased to take your questions tonight.

JS: Well thank you very much sir, I'm pleased to ask them. Taking the other side, joining us from the year 2000, Texas governor and Presidential candidate, George W. Bush.

Gov: Good evening.

JS: Thank you Governor. Mr. President, you won the coin toss, the first question will go to you. Why is the United States of America using its power to change governments in foreign countries?

Pres: We must stand up for our security and for the permanent rights and the hopes of mankind. The USA will make that stand.

JS: Well certainly that represents a bold new doctrine in foreign policy, Mr. President. Governor Bush, do you agree with that?

Gov: I'm not so sure the role of the United States should be to go around the world and say "this is the way it's gotta be."

JS: Alright, well that's interesting. That's a difference of opinion, and certainly that's what this country is about, differences of opinion. Mr. President, let me just get specific. Why are we in Iraq?

Pres: Well, umm... we will be changing the regime of Iraq... for the good of the Iraqi people.

JS: Governor, then I'd like to hear your response on that.

Gov: If we're an arrogant nation, then they'll resent us. I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the Ugly American is to go around the world saying "we do it this way, so should you."

Ho ho..

But Kerry doesn't need comedians to put hilarious material in his mouth.

He has actual direct quotes.

[Black Dog]

But Kerry doesn't need comedians to put hilarious material in his mouth.

He has actual direct quotes.

If I was Kerry, I'd feel pretty good about going toe-to-toe with Bush in a battle of soundbites.

Bush is not exactly dazzling, rhetoric-wise. In fact, the man is barely literate.

[cgarrett]

who care!!!!

estimates in the press recently stated that 8 million iraqi men, women and children have been slaughtered by carpet bombing, distruction of health and utility infrastructure, anti tank missles etc, etc...

my my count this puts bush ahead of the holocaust by 2 million souls!

trillions of dollars into the u.s. military industrial complex because of less people being killed by "terror" ever than die in work related accidents in the u.s. each year!? enough money in one year to finance health care for everyone in the u.s. for a decade!

the "war on terror" is just another perpetual conflict like bush sr's "war on drugs"... its so like george orwells 1984 that its not even funny!

[Black Dog]

estimates in the press recently stated that 8 million iraqi men, women and children have been slaughtered by carpet bombing, distruction of health and utility infrastructure, anti tank missles etc, etc...

my my count this puts bush ahead of the holocaust by 2 million souls

Can you please provide some supporting evidence, please? I gather I'm on your side, but exaggerated statements like the above really undermine the credibility of your position and that of the whole anti-war/anti-Bush side. Thanks.

[theloniusfleabag]

Interesting stuff, our troll seems to be found everywhere.