Marriage Fraud is not allowed under Canada's immigration law!

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

I have sponsored my wife to immigrate to Canada and soon after she landed, she abandoned me.

Before sponsoring my wife, I visited the CIC website:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/me...ts/marriage.asp

"Marriages of conv[en]ience are not allowed under Canada's immigration law. It is illegal to be married simply to immigrate to Canada. Spousal sponsorship is a serious legal commitment." "If a person enters into a marriage of convenience and comes to Canada as an immigrant, enforcement action can be taken. This enforcement action could result in deportation, and is the responsibility of the Canada Border Services Agency."

After sponsoring my wife, and after my wife abandoned me, I contacted Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and I have been told by the representative on the phone that "We are sorry that she has used you to come to Canada; there is nothing that can be done as she has already landed in Canada; she is recognized as a legal immigrant and you have to support her for three years although you might have been abused." What does this mean? Has the government of Canada deceived me? Why is the marriage of convenience "illegal" before the sponsored persons land in Canada and "legal" after they land in Canada? When the sponsorship principle is based on the truthfulness of the relationship between the wife and the husband, why the sponsorship is not void although the relationship has not been genuine?

I am writing to express my deepest concern that there is no marriage commitment in Canada, marriage fraud is legal in Canada, and the Canadian system is victimizing the citizen sponsors by supporting marriages of Convenience with sole purpose of immigrating to Canada. My family and I are victims of the Canadian System that is not enforcing Canadian Immigration Law. I have been told by the RCMP that: my wife is an adult; she is free to decide; there is no such thing as a marriage commitment; there is no support for the sponsor; there are various supports for the sponsored; the sponsor should carry the burden of marriage fraud. Canadian system deceives the sponsor by providing an opportunity to the fraudulent sponsored people to enter Canada and then victimizing the Canadian citizens by supporting those criminals with tax payers' income.

Other countries, namely the United States, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany and many others grant periods of conditional establishment to spouses of their nationals. The sponsorship agreement should be void and the sponsored person's visa should be void if there are sufficient evidences proving that the relationship has not been genuine and the sponsored person has married the sponsor only to immigrate to the sponsor's country.

The free services the Canadian government provide to the sponsored and the poor enforcement of the Canadian law by the Canadian government, make it so attractive to the sponsored people to fraud. As soon as the sponsored person arrives in Canada, if over 18 years of age, he/she is considered an adult and he/she is not abide by any agreement including the sacred marriage agreement and the sponsorship agreement. Why? It is because our laws are this way. Whether the sponsor has been abused, the sponsor and the rest of the Canadian tax payers should carry the burden of the sponsored. We all Canadians should ask the government to change the law and we can make it happen if we understand how our laws are misused, if we understand on what our taxes are spent, and most importantly if we care!

The important issue is that there is no definition for the sacred marriage in Canada. As I have been told by the RCMP, my wife is an adult and is free to decide as there is no marriage commitment. My sponsorship has been based on my marriage commitment; when there is no marriage commitment in Canada, how can there be a sponsorship agreement based on marriage commitment?

Canada Marriage Fraud NPO

[email protected]

http://canadamarriagefraud.blogspot.com/

[Wild Bill]

I have sponsored my wife to immigrate to Canada and soon after she landed, she abandoned me.

Before sponsoring my wife, I visited the CIC website:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/me...ts/marriage.asp

"Marriages of conv[en]ience are not allowed under Canada's immigration law. It is illegal to be married simply to immigrate to Canada. Spousal sponsorship is a serious legal commitment." "If a person enters into a marriage of convenience and comes to Canada as an immigrant, enforcement action can be taken. This enforcement action could result in deportation, and is the responsibility of the Canada Border Services Agency."

After sponsoring my wife, and after my wife abandoned me, I contacted Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and I have been told by the representative on the phone that "We are sorry that she has used you to come to Canada; there is nothing that can be done as she has already landed in Canada; she is recognized as a legal immigrant and you have to support her for three years although you might have been abused." What does this mean? Has the government of Canada deceived me? Why is the marriage of convenience "illegal" before the sponsored persons land in Canada and "legal" after they land in Canada? When the sponsorship principle is based on the truthfulness of the relationship between the wife and the husband, why the sponsorship is not void although the relationship has not been genuine?

I am writing to express my deepest concern that there is no marriage commitment in Canada, marriage fraud is legal in Canada, and the Canadian system is victimizing the citizen sponsors by supporting marriages of Convenience with sole purpose of immigrating to Canada. My family and I are victims of the Canadian System that is not enforcing Canadian Immigration Law. I have been told by the RCMP that: my wife is an adult; she is free to decide; there is no such thing as a marriage commitment; there is no support for the sponsor; there are various supports for the sponsored; the sponsor should carry the burden of marriage fraud. Canadian system deceives the sponsor by providing an opportunity to the fraudulent sponsored people to enter Canada and then victimizing the Canadian citizens by supporting those criminals with tax payers' income.

Other countries, namely the United States, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany and many others grant periods of conditional establishment to spouses of their nationals. The sponsorship agreement should be void and the sponsored person's visa should be void if there are sufficient evidences proving that the relationship has not been genuine and the sponsored person has married the sponsor only to immigrate to the sponsor's country.

The free services the Canadian government provide to the sponsored and the poor enforcement of the Canadian law by the Canadian government, make it so attractive to the sponsored people to fraud. As soon as the sponsored person arrives in Canada, if over 18 years of age, he/she is considered an adult and he/she is not abide by any agreement including the sacred marriage agreement and the sponsorship agreement. Why? It is because our laws are this way. Whether the sponsor has been abused, the sponsor and the rest of the Canadian tax payers should carry the burden of the sponsored. We all Canadians should ask the government to change the law and we can make it happen if we understand how our laws are misused, if we understand on what our taxes are spent, and most importantly if we care!

The important issue is that there is no definition for the sacred marriage in Canada. As I have been told by the RCMP, my wife is an adult and is free to decide as there is no marriage commitment. My sponsorship has been based on my marriage commitment; when there is no marriage commitment in Canada, how can there be a sponsorship agreement based on marriage commitment?

Canada Marriage Fraud NPO

[email protected]

http://canadamarriagefraud.blogspot.com/

I sympathize with your hardship. As an explanation, all I can say is that for practical purposes Canada's "system" is rife with such stupidity.

You see, there has never been much thought as to whether things work or are practical. It's all about photo-ops and catering to special interests, especially with immigration.

It's all about the votes!

I hate to sound so cynical but if I was wrong then you would never have experienced your misfortune. A loophole like you experienced is so obvious in the forethought that only those mentally deficient or more likely, totally uncaring could have missed it. Even a child could have foreseen it.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

How do we change it? It will take a long time of raising public awareness to the point where it becomes an election issue and some party sees the advantage of including it in their platform.

And actually wins an election to get the power to implement it.

Still, every journey begins with a single step. Your post here might prove to be such a beginning...

Edited August 19, 2008 by Wild Bill

[Drea]

I have been told by the representative on the phone that "We are sorry that she has used you to come to Canada; there is nothing that can be done as she has already landed in Canada; she is recognized as a legal immigrant and you have to support her for three years although you might have been abused." What does this mean?

That means you took a risk in marrying a non-citizen. She used you because she was able to. *shrug*. Good for her for prostituting herself to you just to get here... I don't have a strong enough stomach for that, but obviously she does.

IMO You should have made darn sure she was madly in love with you... or perhaps you should've just married a good 'ol Canadian woman and saved yourself all that grief and expense! LOL

Where did she come from by the way?

[Moonbox]

That means you took a risk in marrying a non-citizen. She used you because she was able to. *shrug*. Good for her for prostituting herself to you just to get here... I don't have a strong enough stomach for that, but obviously she does.

IMO You should have made darn sure she was madly in love with you... or perhaps you should've just married a good 'ol Canadian woman and saved yourself all that grief and expense! LOL

Where did she come from by the way?

While it's probably your fault you got suckered, I don't think that means in any way shape or form that the woman should be allowed to say.

Honestly it should be a quick investigation and then deportation. She has no real right to be here. Why are we allowing criminals to land here permanently as immigrants?

Failing deportation, she should be at least forced to move to Nunavut or something.

[mikedavid00]

Why is the marriage of convenience "illegal" before the sponsored persons land in Canada and "legal" after they land in Canada?

While I do feel sorry for you and the same happens every year in to thousands of well intented men in Canada, the fact is this was not a marriage of convenience. This was not an organized marriage to get her into the contry. This marriage was not intended on this purpose by bother parties.

Facts are, there are political parties that want her in Canada and there is nothing to stop her.

In Canada, we value her being in this country more than we value you.. a fellow Canadian who has contributed this country all of his life.

She will continue to sponsor in family that we all have to pay for. And in return, she and her future husband and family will vote for the Liberal Party Canada and ensure their power as riding after riding converts to Liberal.

This is their game, and this is the real reason why she is allowed to stay. What you quoted off the site is gumball machine jabber... jokes if you will. Feel good statements that is laughable.

Canada is becoming corrupt slowely but surely and will fall. Much of it is due to our immigration policies.

The US is bitching abotu 1 million legal immigrants and they have 10x the population we do.

We let in almost 500,000 people total and have 10x less people tahn they do.

And they have the right to bitch and complain about these hard working christian immigrants coming into their country???

Lulz!!

Realize sir, we live in a small 30 million country with elites grasping at power and you are now victim of this. I as a tax payer have now also fallen victim to her and her family soon being in Canada. I have to pay for them. I would love to change the laws and ship her the f*ck out of here, but I live in a corrupt country where policians make laws to benefit their own party, not Canadians.

this is 3rd world and corrupt. I might as well be living in Pakistan or Istanbul.

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

There are many other fraudulent people welcomed by the government.

Canada's population is droping; in order to increase the population, the Canadian government invites all criminals to join the party in Canada. Canadians do not realize that while Canada might have brought a criminal into canada (Population + 1), Canada is going to lose an honest caring family, my family (population - 6). Has Canada gained any? Yes, Canda gained 1 criminal and lost 6 caring tax payers. Why should we stay in Canada while working hard and paying our taxes on time, and at the end, Canada gives all the taxes collected from us to the fraudulent people?

However, the fraudulent person is not entirely guilty, the law makers are the main guilty people. The Canadian laws encourages them to do so.

Let us talk about the marriage. Other countries and cultures value family, marriage commitment and the statement below:

“I shall take you to be my wife/husband, to have and behold from this day on, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; until death do us part.”

In Canada, you basically lie in all the parts. In Canada you can walk away from your marriage commitment anytime you fill to do so and take away half of your spouses assets. Your spouse who is with you at this minute, could be walking away with another person in the next minute. With all respect and apology to all animals, if Canada's law doesn't change, the population of dogs in Canada will be greater than the population of human beings (if it is not greater now).

Let us go back to legal marriages fraud issue in Canada:

Here is a story from StopMarriageFraud.ca victims list. Abdollah a Canadian Citizen Married Arezou a native of IRAN in December 27, 2005. His wife arrived in Canada on October 25, 2007 without letting him know. Should Abdollah be victimized, the Canadian tax payers be victimized, or the fradulent wife?

Stories: Abdollah

Abdollah was intrudes to Arezou by her brother Sayyed Samad whom immigrated to Canada not long before and encouraged him to seek relationship with Arezou as she was a good woman and he would have a happy life with her. Abdollah had seen and known Arezou before as the used to live in same City.

They have started and continued their romantic relationship by talking on the phone e-mails and letters for some times.

Shortly after their wedding he started the process of sponsorship for her.

During this period, she used to keep telling him that she loved him, and he would do many things for his now wife such as sending her cash and gifts, trying to make her life happy and easy and hoping that soon they will join and start their life together.

She arrived in Canada on October 25, 2007 without letting him know.

On October 26, 2007, while he was checking the status of the application for her sponsorship on Immigration's website, he discovered following message in his file:” Arezou entered Canada at Lester B. Pearson International Airport, Terminal No. 3 on October 25, 2007 and became a Permanent Resident.”

He immediately called her in Iran and he was advised by her mother that she (Arazou) was sleeping and when he insisted that he wished to speak with her, her mother hung up the phone.

On the same day, (October 26, 2007) in search of her brother he, ran into her and saw her with another man holding hands with. He entered into nervous shock and even considered suicide.

Prior to seeing her in Toronto on October 26, 2007, she gave no indication that she did not wish to continue with the marriage. In fact, some weeks prior her arrival to Canada, she asked him for $1000.00 Cad. Because she said that she wanted to buy some house wares for their home in Canada.

At no time she advise him that she had received her immigration visa, or when she received it, or when she was coming to Canada or that she had arrived in Canada.

As a result of her deceit, he suffers from a deep depression. He lost his job, dropped out of university where he was taking some courses.

Immediately after her arrival, she has started receiving welfare.

On November 13, 2007, she sent a short email to him ” I wish you a good life.”

more on: http://stopmarriagefraud.ca/victims.html

Edited August 22, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Drea]

There are many other fraudulent people welcomed by the government.

Canada's population is droping; in order to increase the population, the Canadian government invites all criminals to join the party in Canada. Canadians do not realize that while Canada might have brought a criminal into canada (Population + 1), Canada is going to lose an honest caring family, my family (population - 6). Has Canada gained any? Yes, Canda gained 1 criminal and lost 6 caring tax payers. Why should we stay in Canada while working hard and paying our taxes on time, and at the end, Canada gives all the taxes collected from us to the fraudulent people?

So you married a criminal? Why? Caveat Emptor baby. LOL

However, the fraudulent person is not entirely guilty, the law makers are the main guilty people. The Canadian laws encourages them to do so.

So better that a person NEVER go out of country to purchase a spouse... purchase a Canadian made one instead LOL

Let us talk about the marriage. Other countries and cultures value family, marriage commitment and the statement below:

“I shall take you to be my wife/husband, to have and behold from this day on, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; until death do us part.”

really? There has never been a divorce in any other country besides Canada? Wow. Cool.

In Canada, you basically lie in all the parts. In Canada you can walk away from your marriage commitment anytime you fill to do so and take away half of your spouses assets. Your spouse who is with you at this minute, could be walking away with another person in the next minute. With all respect and apology to all animals, if Canada's law doesn't change, the population of dogs in Canada will be greater than the population of human beings (if it is not greater now).

Thankfully yes. If you are unhappy in your marriage, you can leave. But ONLY in Canada right? LOL

Let us go back to legal marriages fraud issue in Canada:

Here is a story from StopMarriageFraud.ca victims list. Abdollah a Canadian Citizen Married Arezou a native of IRAN in December 27, 2005. His wife arrived in Canada on October 25, 2007 without letting him know. Should Abdollah be victimized, the Canadian tax payers be victimized, or the fradulent wife?

She arrived early and without his CONSENT? O.M.G.! LOL

What was his issue? You would think he would be thrilled to "get" her early. LOL

Stories: Abdollah

Abdollah was intrudes to Arezou by her brother Sayyed Samad whom immigrated to Canada not long before and encouraged him to seek relationship with Arezou as she was a good woman and he would have a happy life with her. Abdollah had seen and known Arezou before as the used to live in same City.

They have started and continued their romantic relationship by talking on the phone e-mails and letters for some times.

Shortly after their wedding he started the process of sponsorship for her.

During this period, she used to keep telling him that she loved him, and he would do many things for his now wife such as sending her cash and gifts, trying to make her life happy and easy and hoping that soon they will join and start their life together.

She arrived in Canada on October 25, 2007 without letting him know.

On October 26, 2007, while he was checking the status of the application for her sponsorship on Immigration's website, he discovered following message in his file:” Arezou entered Canada at Lester B. Pearson International Airport, Terminal No. 3 on October 25, 2007 and became a Permanent Resident.”

He immediately called her in Iran and he was advised by her mother that she (Arazou) was sleeping and when he insisted that he wished to speak with her, her mother hung up the phone.

On the same day, (October 26, 2007) in search of her brother he, ran into her and saw her with another man holding hands with. He entered into nervous shock and even considered suicide.

Welcome to the world of romance and relationships -- people get dumped all the time. He needs to grow up and get over it.

Prior to seeing her in Toronto on October 26, 2007, she gave no indication that she did not wish to continue with the marriage. In fact, some weeks prior her arrival to Canada, she asked him for $1000.00 Cad. Because she said that she wanted to buy some house wares for their home in Canada.

At no time she advise him that she had received her immigration visa, or when she received it, or when she was coming to Canada or that she had arrived in Canada.

As a result of her deceit, he suffers from a deep depression. He lost his job, dropped out of university where he was taking some courses.

LOL. Many people get dumped. Why is this guy special?

Immediately after her arrival, she has started receiving welfare

. Do you have proof of this? How much do you think she gets on welfare? (if indeed she IS on it) She must have really hated him in order to live off what welfare pays. She traded "gifts" for poverty. The only time a person would do that is if they are in a really really bad relationship.

On November 13, 2007, she sent a short email to him ” I wish you a good life.”

more on: http://stopmarriagefraud.ca/victims.html

Sounds to me like she never took him for anything. All he is suffering from is a broken heart. She did not take all his assets or anything. Once again, the mark of a person REALLY wanting OUT of a relationship is when they simply RUN and ask for NOTHING from the abuser.

I feel no pity for men who "buy" women from overseas and get left high and dry. Grow up and marry a Canadian woman (if one will have yah LOL)

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

She arrived early and without his CONSENT? O.M.G.! LOL

If we wouldn't be victimized by the Canadian government, we wouldn't even give a shit to such spouses deceived us to come to Canada. The government makes many lies and really doesn't care. Do you know why? Because, the government makes the citizen sponsor and all other tax payers victimized.

Edited August 30, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Ontario Loyalist]

So you married a criminal? Why? Caveat Emptor baby. LOL

I doubt you'd be this flippant if the roles were reversed.

Welcome to the world of romance and relationships -- people get dumped all the time. He needs to grow up and get over it.

Maybe your world, but there are people in the rest of the world who kind of expect their partners to be faithful and committed to a relationship once they've entered into it.

Seems to me you've been watching too much Ally McBeal and Sex in the City

Grow up and marry a Canadian woman (if one will have yah LOL)

You're really in a position to tell someone to "grow up"?

Needless to say, there are a number of factors that would rightfully disuade many from heading your advice.

[Peter F]

"Marriages of conv[en]ience are not allowed under Canada's immigration law. It is illegal to be married simply to immigrate to Canada. Spousal sponsorship is a serious legal commitment." "If a person enters into a marriage of convenience and comes to Canada as an immigrant, enforcement action can be taken. This enforcement action could result in deportation, and is the responsibility of the Canada Border Services Agency."

After sponsoring my wife, and after my wife abandoned me, I contacted Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) and I have been told by the representative on the phone that "We are sorry that she has used you to come to Canada; there is nothing that can be done as she has already landed in Canada; she is recognized as a legal immigrant and you have to support her for three years although you might have been abused." What does this mean? Has the government of Canada deceived me? Why is the marriage of convenience "illegal" before the sponsored persons land in Canada and "legal" after they land in Canada?

I am sure your marriage was not a marriage of convenience. You would not have entered into a marriage of convenience would you? No. So you were married but it was not a marriage of convenience.

Why do you say it was a marriage of convenience?

She left you. Many women leave their husbands. There is nothing illegal about that, even if they are immigrants.

I am sorry your marriage didn't work out.

Buy the way...sponsoring her doe's not make her your property. She is free to come and go as she pleases.

Edited August 30, 2008 by Peter F

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

I am sure your marriage was not a marriage of convenience. You would not have entered into a marriage of convenience would you? No. So you were married but it was not a marriage of convenience.

Why do you say it was a marriage of convenience? She left you. Many women leave their husbands. There is nothing illegal about that, even if they are immigrants. I am sorry your marriage didn't work out. Buy the way...sponsoring her doe's not make her your property. She is free to come and go as she pleases.

If I knew I was going to be defrauded, I wouldn't have fallen into this trap. I wished I could read her mind. I wished I could foresee her plans. But I got deceived. Why should I, a Canadian Citizen and Tax Payer, be victimized when someone else from another country deceived me and the government? Why shouldn't the criminal get victimized? Should the Canadian citizens back their own citizens rather than backing the criminal deceiver? When people tell me get over it, that means either no one can question the government or the government won't listen to me, or they are sympathizing with the criminal deceiver, or they have been one of those who are benefiting from these laws of the government.

That is one of the reasons why I am concern regarding marriage sponsorship. When in Canada, there is no such thing as marriage commitment, and "everyone is free to come and go as they pleases," why there is even a sponsorship commitment based on marriages? The government could have just made one sponsorship agreement saying no matter who you bring you have to be responsible for. When people can even walk away from you right after their plane land in the airport as in Abdullah's case, why should someone like Abdullah get victimized if the Canadian government doesn't want to enforce the law of immigration? When people could land in a different province than their spouse's, leave and apply for welfare as they didn't like their husband after their arrival, do you still say that the marriage was genuine and she married her husband not because of Canada but because of Abdullah? Of course she married Canada not Abdullah; and good for Canadian citizens who support her with the taxes they pay.

The Canadian government has been very ruthless to the sponsor and so merciful to the sponsored.

I would never say that Government of Canada is at fault because she has deceived us. I believe that the Canadian government is at fault for some other reasons:

If she had no intention in marrying me, she would not have married me

- if she knew that she would be sent back home, leaving me after landing, as the marriage of convenience is illegal in Canada.

- if she knew that there would be no support from the Canadian government such as social assistance and free healthcare, leaving me after landing.

- if she knew that she would have been responsible for supporting herself (as written in the sponsorship agreement), leaving me after landing.

- if she knew that there wouldn't be any asset division, leaving me after landing.

- if she knew that there wouldn't be a free lawyer to back all her prearranged plans and actions, leaving me after landing.

- if she knew that simple excuses such as I don't like my husband after arriving Canada and leaving me would not work to get all the free services payed by the Canadian tax payers, leaving me after landing.

Unfortunately, with the name of freedom, the Canadian government provides all of the services above even to those people committing marriage fraud. This encourages all criminals and terrorists come to Canada with simple solutions such as marriage.

Edited August 30, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Peter F]

If I knew I was going to be defrauded, I wouldn't have fallen into this trap. I wished I could read her mind. I wished I could foresee her plans.

I'm not blaming you, pal. I feel for you. You acted in good faith. You have done nothing wrong here. Sponsorship is not to be taken lightly (nor marriage, of course) - and you didn't take it lightly. But that doesn't mean you get your way and she has to live with you.

The fact is, you bit into the hook of financial support when you got married - The sponsorship has not changed anything.

So, knowing this is a very difficult time for you, I can only suggest: be happy for small mercy's. She could have hung around for three years then left and you'd be on the hook financially then too. There's nothing for it friend. This too shall pass.

The woman has done nothing illegal here. Underhanded and decietful to you, yes. but illegal? no. Because she is your spouse doesn't give her any extra benifits beyond normal immigrants. She was fast tracked, certainly, but she still needs to meet whatever requirements are required for immigration just like everyone else. She is a legal immigrant even now. There is no law, nor can there be in this country, requireing her to remain married to you.

Regarding the long list of things that would have discouraged her from marrying you...well, welcome to the club. There's a long list of bitter males that agree with you 100%.

[Drea]

I doubt you'd be this flippant if the roles were reversed.

Maybe your world, but there are people in the rest of the world who kind of expect their partners to be faithful and committed to a relationship once they've entered into it.

People leave one another for lots of different reasons. Even in countries other than Canada. Are you amazed by this? In 2008?

Seems to me you've been watching too much Ally McBeal and Sex in the City

You're really in a position to tell someone to "grow up"?

Yes, I am in the position to tell him to grow up. Men and women are not commodities... they are partners, would you agree? And if this fellow is this upset about her leaving, I suspect he is an abuser. Good for her for getting out of a potentially bad situation.

And I do not watch silly little sitcoms. You'll likely see the History Channel or Discovery on my TV, but rarely a sitcom (my hubby likes Two and A Half Men though)

Needless to say, there are a number of factors that would rightfully disuade many from heading your advice.

My only advice is that the buyer beware -- which means the onus is on the buyer to make sure the product he gets is "good". Too bad for this loser, his "purchase" up and left!

[Oleg Bach]

People leave one another for lots of different reasons. Even in countries other than Canada. Are you amazed by this? In 2008?

Yes, I am in the position to tell him to grow up. Men and women are not commodities... they are partners, would you agree? And if this fellow is this upset about her leaving, I suspect he is an abuser. Good for her for getting out of a potentially bad situation.

And I do not watch silly little sitcoms. You'll likely see the History Channel or Discovery on my TV, but rarely a sitcom (my hubby likes Two and A Half Men though)

My only advice is that the buyer beware -- which means the onus is on the buyer to make sure the product he gets is "good". Too bad for this loser, his "purchase" up and left!

Fraud is the gaining of something valuable though deception - our whole legalist system operates though fraud, They pass the buck ---------------------------------to each other at the expense of trusting citizens. I would not concern myself over fraud and marriage - most marriages are a fraud anyway - what the hell - let them all lie to each other for eternity....It's hopeless - there is no such thing as honour in Canada - let alone a Your Honour.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I suspect he is an abuser. Good for her for getting out of a potentially bad situation.

You suspect? Well, I suspect that she's a gold digger, and there's certainly more evidence to support that theory than yours.

It's so easy to stereotype, isn't it? Just because a woman leaves a man doesn't mean that he's abusive. Actually, according to some of the feminist literature that I've read, most abused women are "trapped" in relationships by controlling men. The fact that she apparently departed with ease, that he's on here complaining about how his rights have been infringed upon rather than hunting her down and murdering her, seems to suggest that he could actually be the victim.

Men and women are not commodities... they are partners, would you agree?

You seem to be missing the fact that he's complaining about being used, which suggests that SHE was the one who viewed him as the "commodity". Not vice versa.

And I do not watch silly little sitcoms.

Of course.

My only advice is that the buyer beware

Does that go for the reverse situation, too? If a woman shacks up with a guy that ditches her after siring a few kids? Probably not.

Try looking at things on an individual basis, rather than stereotyping. It would seem to me that as a woman you should be more inclined to being fair and objective considering that woman have disproportionately been victims of the same kind of nonsense you're piling on him.

[Ontario Loyalist]

Fraud is the gaining of something valuable though deception - our whole legalist system operates though fraud, They pass the buck ---------------------------------to each other at the expense of trusting citizens. I would not concern myself over fraud and marriage - most marriages are a fraud anyway - what the hell - let them all lie to each other for eternity....It's hopeless - there is no such thing as honour in Canada - let alone a Your Honour.

Well, family law in this country has certainly been hijacked by certain agendas, and it's frightening to think that people who hold the same attitudes as Drea are managing to institutionalize their skewed beliefs. If you look at the kind of stuff that is currently trendy among girls, literature and programming that basically celebrates and normalizes female social aggression, one has to wonder what it will be like in a generation or two.

[Drea]

Well, family law in this country has certainly been hijacked by certain agendas, and it's frightening to think that people who hold the same attitudes as Drea are managing to institutionalize their skewed beliefs.

I am a father's rights advocate and therefore am fully aware that the family court system is biased on the side of the mother with regard to custody, visitation and monetary support.

The issue in question has nothing to do with custody of children and is not the domain of family services. The woman decided to leave the man. She must have had her reasons -- which we do not know as we have only seen one side of the issue.

If you look at the kind of stuff that is currently trendy among girls, literature and programming that basically celebrates and normalizes female social aggression, one has to wonder what it will be like in a generation or two.

If leaving a relationship in which one is unhappy (even a brand new relationship) means woman are "socially aggressive" then I say "good". Would it behoove us as a society to force people to stay in unhappy relationships?

I celebrate people being in relationships in which they can grow and prosper - and I would hope that people would seek relationships in which they can do so and leave those in which they cannot.

And please, if you could find a link for this "literature" and "programming" I would be interested in reading it.

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

Drea,

You wrote a lot but didn't answer my questions

1) When there is no marriage commitment in Canada, how could there be a sponsorship commitment based on marriage?

2) You mentioned husbands and wives are not commodities; would you like to marry someone and after your pregnancy he leaves you and you have to support yourself and the child? The same issue has happened to me; She tricked me to arrive Canada and soon after she arrived she left me for welfare; now I have to pay welfare back for their support and the Canadian tax payers should pay for her health-care and other free services she receives from the government. On top of that, she has access to a lawyer for free to take me to court next year to divide my assets. Should I say to the government that thank you for supporting her and victimizing your own citizens?

3) I trusted the government that marriage fraud is not legal in Canada; but it is as I have never received a response supporting me. Are you happy with sham marriages? What would you do if you support terrorists coming to Canada through marriage fraud by paying your taxes on time and backing up your government being merciful to these fraudulent people and later they blow up your town?

Edited August 31, 2008 by Canada Marriage Fraud CPO

[Bryan]

Unfortunately you learned a tough lesson that all men have to learn eventually;

Women are evil.

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

Unfortunately you learned a tough lesson that all men have to learn eventually;

Women are evil.

I have learned but at a very high cost.

[Drea]

Drea,

You wrote a lot but didn't answer my questions

1) When there is no marriage commitment in Canada, how could there be a sponsorship commitment based on marriage?

Marriage is a commitment between two people. Should one decide to end the relationship they are free to do so by law. In your opinion, should the law change to force people to stay in marriages?

2) You mentioned husbands and wives are not commodities; would you like to marry someone and after your pregnancy he leaves you and you have to support yourself and the child? The same issue has happened to me; She tricked me to arrive Canada and soon after she arrived she left me for welfare; now I have to pay welfare back for their support and the Canadian tax payers should pay for her health-care and other free services she receives from the government. On top of that, she has access to a lawyer for free to take me to court next year to divide my assets. Should I say to the government that thank you for supporting her and victimizing your own citizens?

Just like any marriage in Canada it is a "dissolvable" contract. And our immigration laws state, very clearly, that if you marry a non-citizen you will be responsible for them for a given amount of time. Perhaps you should have read the "fine print".

3) I trusted the government that marriage fraud is not legal in Canada; but it is as I have never received a response supporting me. Are you happy with sham marriages? What would you do if you support terrorists coming to Canada through marriage fraud by paying your taxes on time and backing up your government being merciful to these fraudulent people and later they blow up your town?

So you had the same expectation that everyone who gets married has -- that the marriage will last. Years and years ago my brother dated a girl for six years, they got married and 10 days later she left him. We guess that being married just freaked her out at such young age -- they started dating when she was 15. This occurance does not mean that all marriages are shams does it? So your "occurance" is just a person leaving another person. You seem to be reading quite alot into it. A woman left a man and you want this to become a crime? May I suggest a move to a less free country? Iran perhaps LOL/ just kidding.

LOL, I don't believe there are any "terrorists", just like I don't believe there is an invisible enitity juding you and me. Good try though -- trotting out the tired old "fear of terrorsts".

And of course women are evil - we bleed for seven days and don't die! And if you really think that the blood bleeds from like an artery... seriously you should look into becoming homosexual. Find a man who will never leave you.

[Drea]

Unfortunately you learned a tough lesson that all men have to learn eventually;

Women are evil.

So have you and your boyfriend set a date for a legit marriage yet?

Or do you hate women but love their vaginas? (That'd suck eh?!)

[Canada Marriage Fraud CPO]

Marriage is a commitment between two people. Should one decide to end the relationship they are free to do so by law. In your opinion, should the law change to force people to stay in marriages?

I asked whether we should have a marriage sponsorship, I did not ask whether we should have a marriage commitment. As you say, when people are not required to stay with each other even from the day they land in Canada, why there is such thing as spousal sponsorship. There should be only one sponsorship with no spousal title before it.

Perhaps you should have read the "fine print".

Not just me but other citizens who are paying to support her never read the invisible fine prints.

So you had the same expectation that everyone who gets married has -- that the marriage will last.

In my previous post I explained why it doesn't likely last in Canada. I don't expect the marriage to last, Canada should, like other countries, namely the United States, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany and many others, grant periods of conditional establishment to spouses of their nationals, if there is going to be a "spousal sponsorship."

[Drea]

I asked whether we should have a marriage sponsorship, I did not ask whether we should have a marriage commitment. As you say, when people are not required to stay with each other even from the day they land in Canada, why there is such thing as spousal sponsorship. There should be only one sponsorship with no spousal title before it.

I am not a lawyer so I do not know all the loopholes in the law.

How would you go about fixing this? Would the partners in marriage be forced to stay with one another for a specified period of time? Or perhaps we should not allow husbands/wives/children of immigrants to come here at all. Would that be fair in your opinion?

So my friend in Iran.. her uncle is coming to Canada.. should he be forced leave his wife and child behind because there is a chance they may divorce in the future? Why should tons of families suffer because one person wanted out of a relationship?

Not just me but other citizens who are paying to support her never read the invisible fine prints.

READ THE FINE PRINT! When you lease a vehicle you read the fine print. When you purchase a house you read the fine print. Ignorance is not an excuse.

In my previous post I explained why it doesn't likely last in Canada. I don't expect the marriage to last, Canada should, like other countries, namely the United States, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany and many others, grant periods of conditional establishment to spouses of their nationals, if there is going to be a "spousal sponsorship."

How long is this "conditional establishment" in the countries that you mentioned? Does this still apply if the relationship is volatile -- if one of the spouses fears for their life or wellbeing?

In Canada, we have a thing called Human Rights. It is available to all humans, citizens or not. In Canada a person has the right to leave a marriage regardless of circumstances, regardless of whether they were born here or just arrived.

[Ontario Loyalist]

So have you and your boyfriend set a date for a legit marriage yet?

Or do you hate women but love their vaginas? (That'd suck eh?!)

Are you saying that homosexual men are misogynists?

Edited August 31, 2008 by Ontario Loyalist