CANADIEN Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) People didn't see this kind of thing coming back in 1970 when the immigration rules were loosened. It's a slow building thing, and if you told people in Toronto or Vancouver in 1970 or so that loosening immigration would result in whites being in the minority in their city within four or five decades they'd have laughed at you, and the media would have mocked and derided you as an insane racist for such scaremongering. I live in Toronto and it is not a white person's city. It is the city of all people who choose to live their and respect the laws of the land. I do not care one bit about the skin colour of the person sitting next to me in the subway, the culinary habits of the person standing in line in front of me at the St. Lawrence Market, or the religious faith of the man mowing his front lawn three houses from mine. Edited August 30, 2008 by CANADIEN Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 I am a Canadian...etc ...who can't recall 1975, anyways. ------------------------- Fuddle-duddle. ---You Know Who Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
CANADIEN Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) ...who can't recall 1975, anyways. I remember 1975... Which is why I know 2008 is not better or worse just because white is not the only colour I see on the street. A lot of non-professional or "unskilled" immigrants have been admitted since. But let's admit it. Most immigrants since 1608 would have failed the same types of test that some demand today. Edited August 30, 2008 by CANADIEN Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) How many race cards in a standard deck, anyways? I've never bothered looking. -------------------------------- When there is the state there can be no freedom, but when there is freedom there will be no state. ---Lenin Edited August 30, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 At our local mosque, men and women pray separately. To me, that's segragation based on sex. To others, it's freedom of religion. Who's right? ------------------------------- Strike Breaker: So what do you do? John Reed: I write. Strike Breaker: No. You WRONG! (clubs Reed) ---Reds Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Don't want to sound like I am repeating myself but what I learned about the distruction of culture in Canada is that it is systemic - for instance if you are a private thinking orthodox Christian and you are sueing a government sponsored Jewish agency is that they will state in documents that the plaintiff is a "nominal Christian" and should not be given any religious human rights. OR if you are a red neck in rural Ontario - which is a distinct culture - you are treated like a dumb animal by liberal professionals and they will persecute you on the basis that they simply don't like you. Secularization is an aggressive insidious policy of control in this nation. What I really resent is that agents that have a religious title and operate under the protection of religion or race - are NOT religious what so ever...and granted authourity and privledge that is undeserved and unwarranted - so these examples of abuse may seem flimsy and not well articulated...but let me tell you one thing - Tradition and culture maintain power for families - and THEY don't like it. Secularization of the planet and the nation is in full swing - once they get rid of our personal history which is our personal culture then we will be like turnips that just fell off the truck that were born yesterday without a foundation of wise independence - we will be a push over and then they will create some half baked new religion and culture that will be so damned utilitarian that it will be a non-culture that the mindless social engineers will proudly state "This is the new culture of multi-culturalism - beware ..when an agent titles the corporation with the word service - it means they are parasites and do not serve - and - jerks that spew out the warm and fussy idea of multi-culture hate culture and hate art and freedom and intelligence - culture is what we are and if your culture is a thousand years old - that is power! Keep it and protect it! Quote
JB Globe Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Are you for real buddy?? What a retarded statement. As we all know - calling someone retarted is a great way to start any intelligent post . . . But yes - I'm for real. If a majority of the population is extremely angry with a policy a government puts forward, they vote that government out. The politicians used this constitution to drive the pre-1982 Canadians into minority status. That's a cute claim - can you prove it to be true? I mean - can you actually prove that the (still large) majority of Canadians who are white are powerless? Canadians of old are powerless to elect politicians to undue the scourage inflicted on Canadians. The thing is - as I illustrated earlier with that Queens U study on attitudes towards immigration - "old Canadians" SUPPORT Multiculturalism and immigration in general. Just because YOU don't like immigrants and YOU are white doesn't mean all white people think like you do. If anti-immigration was an ideal held by as many Canadians as you claim, and none of the parties are catering to to that "majority of old Canadians" than surely after +30 years there would be a strong, organized anti-immigration movement filled with lobbying groups, activist groups, and even political parties - but there isn't, in fact, such a movement is relegated to the extreme margins of society. Not only are these newcommers getting a voice to nullify yours they are taking away employment opportunities and driving down wages and quality of life. Prove to me that immigrants are "nulifying" my voice - prove to me they're taking away job opportunities and driving down wages. So far you're doing nothing that a whole slew of xenophobes in this post have already done - make wild claims and accusations without any facts to back them up. I said it before and I'll say it again - you people don't have an argument to stand on - all you do is make wild claims and create false realities in your head that aren't based on any factual information. Do you REALLY expect anyone to believe you on the basis of "immigrants are bad, trust me!" you've got to SHOW us why they're so bad - the fact you can't do so with factual information demonstrates how bunk your whole position is. Quote
JB Globe Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 The problem with most immigrants is that more often than not they choose not to assimilate into Canadian culture. You said "most" and that's simply not true. I live in a very diverse area, and what saddens me is the general lack of passion for Canada and its people. I also live in a very diverse area, and I don't find that to be true at all. Where do you live? What are some examples of this? Most immigrants could care less about anything involving Canada. I doubt they know the second line to our national anthem. Again, totally untrue, I doubt you can prove this statement with any factual information. Quote
JB Globe Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Immigration is not seen as an immediate thing, and so while people care, they don't care as much as they do about taxes and health care. The thing is - there's a huge difference between reforming the immigration system, and xenophobia. Just because someone wants to fix the immigration system, doesn't automatically mean they don't like people from different ethnic groups from their own. You're confusing support for immigration reform with an anti-immigrant, xenophobic agenda. And as I showed you earlier, the majority of Canadians support Multiculturalism, so sorry to break it to you - but you're in the minority on this one, based on your political views. The vast majority of Canadians are not outraged at the prospect of living next to a non-white neighbor. The trick is always in how you ask, and what you ask. Okay then, show me specifically where that study I posted fudged up the question to influence the answer. Go ahead, show me. As usual, you're doing nothing but making wild claims and not connecting the dots to any factual information. What is this? A dozen posts without a source cited? Without a study referenced? I mean, do you WANT me to put you in the "hack" category of posters or not? I'm giving you a lot of chances here to make a rational argument based on solid data - but you just keep ranting. Are you just too lazy to do so? Or can you just not find any facts to support your argument? And if so, what do you think that says about your argument? Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Prove to me that immigrants are "nulifying" my voice - prove to me they're taking away job opportunities and driving down wages. But they are. You know it... the same thing happened when the females got out of the kitchen and got the right to vote. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 You said "most" and that's simply not true.I also live in a very diverse area, and I don't find that to be true at all. Where do you live? What are some examples of this? Again, totally untrue, I doubt you can prove this statement with any factual information. The immigrants from the 50s were great and cared about Canada and England and were thankful for santuary via immigration after ww 2 BUT the average new immigrant that is not of the original Christian culture hold the founders of Canada in contempt and loathing. What do you think the average stuck up Muslum thinks of Canada and what is left of the original core - which is us? I would safely presume that we are trash to them - they really think we are Godless - because they are to stupid and prejudice to understand that we are very private about our spriitual lives - and we do not wear uniforms - head dress - hyjabs etc..we are just as worthy if not more so than the new disrespectful arrivals. Quote
JB Globe Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 At our local mosque, men and women pray separately. To me, that's segragation based on sex. To others, it's freedom of religion.Who's right? Men and women praying separately is about as sexist as men and women having different bathrooms. Honestly - it's so entertaining to me to watch how long you all can go without making a serious argument. This thread has absolved any fears I had about a new xenophobic movement gaining strength in Canada. It's hard to be scared of something so intellectually pathetic. Quote
JB Globe Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 The immigrants from the 50s were great and cared about Canada and England and were thankful for santuary via immigration after ww 2 BUT the average new immigrant that is not of the original Christian culture hold the founders of Canada in contempt and loathing. I've already addressed this false-myth of the "golden-saint old immigrants" versus the "heathen-devil new immigrant" in this post, all the points I made initially in response to JBG's original post apply to your views here, scroll up to check them out. I will add however that, just like JBG, Angus, DogonPorch, and all the others who've tried to prove this myth true - you haven't provided any factual information that proves this myth to be true. And I doubt you will be able to find any from credible sources. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Men and women praying separately is about as sexist as men and women having different bathrooms.Honestly - it's so entertaining to me to watch how long you all can go without making a serious argument. This thread has absolved any fears I had about a new xenophobic movement gaining strength in Canada. It's hard to be scared of something so intellectually pathetic. There was a time when the authority and spiritual leadership of the early Christians was maintained by mostly women - THEN men got invovled and ousted the females that Christ apporved off - to this day there is institutionalized hatred of woman by all religions - this brings about great unhappiness for both sexes. And don't tell me that most demasculated secular and religious males hate females-----I believe they do and this lie that woman are to blame for sin - is the oldest fraud on the planet - PLUS the first man was not male - Adam had no penis or balls before the arrival of Eve - why would God in his highly intelligent design stick a penis on a creature that would have no use for the digit seeing womb man did not exist yet - Adam was not a man - he was a thing...so lets give up beating on woman and seperating the sexes - time to tell the truth and move forward. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Men and women praying separately is about as sexist as men and women having different bathrooms. This is not the same thing. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) The immigrants from the 50s were great and cared about Canada and England and were thankful for santuary via immigration after ww 2 BUT the average new immigrant that is not of the original Christian culture hold the founders of Canada in contempt and loathing. What do you think the average stuck up Muslum thinks of Canada and what is left of the original core - which is us? I would safely presume that we are trash to them - they really think we are Godless - because they are to stupid and prejudice to understand that we are very private about our spriitual lives - and we do not wear uniforms - head dress - hyjabs etc..we are just as worthy if not more so than the new disrespectful arrivals. Considering the crap you are posting, I would not be talking about stupidity and prejudice if I were you. Edited August 30, 2008 by CANADIEN Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 This is not the same thing. JB Globe makes no sense. This is not about sexism or equality - it's about persecution - and persecution of woman during prayer is the problem - not where and how they pee - men urinate in isolation also -...so there is no parallel between peeing and praying - It's about woman hate - and this dispising of females really causes serious problems when trying to achieve a earthly heavenly existance - to seperate and persecute the wonderful and beautifully powerful female is out of sheer jealousy and age old envy - men should feel secure - if they do not they are not men! Just men attempting to me mamma. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) Men and women praying separately is about as sexist as men and women having different bathrooms. Is it now? There's no Mrs JB Globe, is there? Honestly - it's so entertaining to me to watch how long you all can go without making a serious argument. This thread has absolved any fears I had about a new xenophobic movement gaining strength in Canada. It's hard to be scared of something so intellectually pathetic. Not serious? Is that how you handle your left-wing moral dilemmas? Religious freedom trumps women's rights? That may be your 'dancing in a field holding hands, small, small world' view of Canada, but it sure as heck isn't mine. My wife's rights matter to her and I, both. You may sluff off my opinion as 'pathetic', but I'll just say, we'll see who's more alone when the chips are down. Meanwhile, I'm not afraid to say that opinions like yours make you my moral enemy. JB Globe to whowhere: As we all know - calling someone retarted is a great way to start any intelligent post . . . BTW, "whowhere" refered to your idea as retarded...not you. You call my opinions 'pathetic', so you're just as 'guilty'. ----------------------------------------- The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer. ---Theodore Roosevelt Edited August 30, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Is it now? There's no Mrs JB Globe, is there?Not serious? Is that how you handle your left-wing moral dilemmas? Religious freedom trumps women's rights? That may be your 'dancing in a field holding hands, small, small world' view of Canada, but it sure as heck isn't mine. My wife's rights matter to her and I, both. You may sluff off my opinion as 'pathetic', but I'll just say, we'll see who's more alone when the chips are down. Meanwhile, I'm not afraid to say that opinions like yours make you my moral enemy. BTW, "whowhere" refered to your idea as retarded...not you. You call my opinions 'pathetic', so you're just as 'guilty'. ----------------------------------------- The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer. ---Theodore Roosevelt If a fruit tree is stunted and underdeveloped and not able to bear fruit it is a retarded tree..need I say more? Why pussy foot around - if the idea is underdeveloped and inferiour then it just is...Oh - the pacist is useless unless he can kick your ass if neccesary..so. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 If a fruit tree is stunted and underdeveloped and not able to bear fruit it is a retarded tree..need I say more? Why pussy foot around - if the idea is underdeveloped and inferiour then it just is...Oh - the pacist is useless unless he can kick your ass if neccesary..so. Only someone who doesn't really give a damn about women's rights would be so quick to give those rights away to a mythogy/cult from the 7th century. As my wife pointed out to me, there are more people on this planet against equal rights for women than there are for them. ------------------------------------- And we must become absolutist—absolutist in defence of our societies, our traditions, our heritage, culture, freedoms and democracies. There is only one way to destroy relativism, and there is only one way to conquer the rise of Islamic militancy and that is to be uncompromising and absolutist. If people want certainty then let us give it to them here. Ignorant people will still say, “Ah, but I’m not sure what European culture is”. Well that’s their fault, not the fault of European culture. --- Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Only someone who doesn't really give a damn about women's rights would be so quick to give those rights away to a mythogy/cult from the 7th century. As my wife pointed out to me, there are more people on this planet against equal rights for women than there are for them.------------------------------------- And we must become absolutist—absolutist in defence of our societies, our traditions, our heritage, culture, freedoms and democracies. There is only one way to destroy relativism, and there is only one way to conquer the rise of Islamic militancy and that is to be uncompromising and absolutist. If people want certainty then let us give it to them here. Ignorant people will still say, “Ah, but I’m not sure what European culture is”. Well that’s their fault, not the fault of European culture. --- I believe that also - Coming to the realization lately at the age of 58 - that - there are men that marry women - of just have sex with them - and have them as "friends" - what I noticed after all is said and done is that corrupt minded men hate woman - and now adays most men are morally neutral (corrupt) ..This buisness that woman have been granted rights in the last 30 years is a crock - How in heavens names can you call this granting of power - when at the same time they are de-womanized..and made less a woman and more of a thing - a thrawl...woman have been robbed by feminization...they were already femine before the feminist movement - now they are less femine hence less female - and natural woman are hated because they are truely wonderful,powerful and good ...I as a man am beginging to dispise the cowardice and avirice and envy of the western male that I now refere to as a hetro*ag. Quote
CANADIEN Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Is it now? There's no Mrs JB Globe, is there?Not serious? Is that how you handle your left-wing moral dilemmas? Religious freedom trumps women's rights? That may be your 'dancing in a field holding hands, small, small world' view of Canada, but it sure as heck isn't mine. My wife's rights matter to her and I, both. You may sluff off my opinion as 'pathetic', but I'll just say, we'll see who's more alone when the chips are down. Meanwhile, I'm not afraid to say that opinions like yours make you my moral enemy. While I have no doubt that you value your wife's rights, don't believe for one second I don't see the creeping xenophobia here. I would consider you my moral ennemy, but xenophobia and morality are two mutually exclusive concepts. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) OB: I believe that also - Coming to the realization lately at the age of 58 - that - there are men that marry women - of just have sex with them - and have them as "friends" - what I noticed after all is said and done is that corrupt minded men hate woman - and now adays most men are morally neutral (corrupt) ..This buisness that woman have been granted rights in the last 30 years is a crock - How in heavens names can you call this granting of power - when at the same time they are de-womanized..and made less a woman and more of a thing - a thrawl...woman have been robbed by feminization...they were already femine before the feminist movement - now they are less femine hence less female - and natural woman are hated because they are truely wonderful,powerful and good ...I as a man am beginging to dispise the cowardice and avirice and envy of the western male that I now refere to as a hetro*ag. Well they certainly have more rights in the West than anywhere else. Here they can at least become a politician without some hot-head with a beard putting a bullet into them...well so far, anyways. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't consider myself a survivor; that's someone who has gone through something terrible. ---Geraldine Ferraro Edited August 30, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 While I have no doubt that you value your wife's rights, don't believe for one second I don't see the creeping xenophobia here. I would consider you my moral ennemy, but xenophobia and morality are two mutually exclusive concepts. One thing you both have to understand - that - a person willing to take away a woman's rights and power - have no quams about taking away the rights of the male also - oppressive types that are the problem to not differentiate between the sexes - we are both dumb thrawls to clever tyrants that manipulate us both usually through the woman to debase and devalue the man. This Hitler-Freudian engineering has been going on for quite some time - "Give me power over the woman and I have power over the child - and the male will follow in submission like a dog" . Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 While I have no doubt that you value your wife's rights, don't believe for one second I don't see the creeping xenophobia here. I would consider you my moral ennemy, but xenophobia and morality are two mutually exclusive concepts. That's nice. Keep away from my wife's rights. I'm not afraid to stand up and say I dislike religion and I particularly dislike Islam. It's still a free country for the moment. Perhaps you and your ilk can drag me in front of the various HRCs until I'm silenced. ------------------------------------------ Men weren't really the enemy - they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no more bears to kill. ---Betty Friedan Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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