Daycare

[noahbody]

Actually, the Liberals said their plan would cost $11 billion through to 2015.

Since the gun registry cost over 10 times what the Liberals estimated, you might consider taking that with a grain or ten of salt.

Edited June 17, 2008 by noahbody

[Oleg Bach]

Since the gun registry cost over 10 times what the Liberals estimated, you might consider taking that with a grain or ten of salt.

Soviet style day care is right up there with abortion as far as animal husbandry of the population..there should be no day care and enslaved mothers should be allowed to be mothers instead of men in bondage at the so-called corporate workplace...career? what damned career are they racing along in and what are woman and for the most part men actually accomplishing in the work place? NOTHING! The computer clicking of information back and forth does not generate wealth - it's an illusion..woman could drop out of the workforce tomorrow and the economy would continue on just fine...daycare is a form of child labour where the child is forced to rise at 5 am and employ liberal drones out of community colleage (early child hood education) - I have one word for daycare and it is PARASITE...at the expense of little kids and it's a form of abuse....when the banks saw woman entering the work place on mass back in the 70s they got smart and doubled interest and morgage rates ---NOT freeing the woman finacially but making her a common bond servant just like the man!

[jdobbin]

Since the gun registry cost over 10 times what the Liberals estimated, you might consider taking that with a grain or ten of salt.

I never supported the gun registry precisely because I believed the costs were being underestimated.

The Liberal plan on daycare was not an estimated cost. It was what what was being given to the provinces to manage their own programs of building daycare space. There were no cost overruns possible because it was not being centrally administered by the Feds. The federal share was a set number.

What I considered with a grain of salt was that the Conservative program was going to create daycare space. After three years, that plan according to Monte Solberg, has failed.

[jdobbin]

Soviet style day care is right up there with abortion as far as animal husbandry of the population..there should be no day care and enslaved mothers should be allowed to be mothers instead of men in bondage at the so-called corporate workplace...career? what damned career are they racing along in and what are woman and for the most part men actually accomplishing in the work place? NOTHING! The computer clicking of information back and forth does not generate wealth - it's an illusion..woman could drop out of the workforce tomorrow and the economy would continue on just fine...daycare is a form of child labour where the child is forced to rise at 5 am and employ liberal drones out of community colleage (early child hood education) - I have one word for daycare and it is PARASITE...at the expense of little kids and it's a form of abuse....when the banks saw woman entering the work place on mass back in the 70s they got smart and doubled interest and morgage rates ---NOT freeing the woman finacially but making her a common bond servant just like the man!

I take it you think women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

[Oleg Bach]

I take it you think women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.

I knew you would take it the wrong way! NO they should be barefoot in the office and soccer momming the kids into sleep deprevation..we really don't need day care...we should not have children unless you plan to raise them yourself...kids have been born for a million years and not untill recently have we heard the line "we will have them when we can afford them" - that's silly. Let the woman work if they want...traditionally woman always did the labour and the man was the patron or protector much like a lion..now all we have are slaves thinking that they will be free with the more money they make...BUT - it's ironic that the fancey SUV is now unaffordable..looks like woman got took for a ride.

[jdobbin]

I knew you would take it the wrong way! NO they should be barefoot in the office and soccer momming the kids into sleep deprevation..we really don't need day care...we should not have children unless you plan to raise them yourself...kids have been born for a million years and not untill recently have we heard the line "we will have them when we can afford them" - that's silly. Let the woman work if they want...traditionally woman always did the labour and the man was the patron or protector much like a lion..now all we have are slaves thinking that they will be free with the more money they make...BUT - it's ironic that the fancey SUV is now unaffordable..looks like woman got took for a ride.

I think your statement is one only a man could make. The support among women for daycare is extremely high. When men say that they don't need daycare, I can imagine women just roll their eyes.

A lot has changed over the years. One those things is divorce, people raising children on their own, affordable and accessible birth control and more gender equality. Daycare ensures that women and men have a support system in place that helps them with their family.

[Oleg Bach]

I think your statement is one only a man could make. The support among women for daycare is extremely high. When men say that they don't need daycare, I can imagine women just roll their eyes.

A lot has changed over the years. One those things is divorce, people raising children on their own, affordable and accessible birth control and more gender equality. Daycare ensures that women and men have a support system in place that helps them with their family.

Let me enlighten you oh dated one...The aging and very comfortable feminist elders have abandoned their younger sisters and womans rights are not in existance - nor are human rights in general.

[Oleg Bach]

Let me enlighten you oh dated one...The aging and very comfortable feminist elders have abandoned their younger sisters and womans rights are not in existance - nor are human rights in general.

PS Don't divorce if you have kids. I put in my 25 years with an inapprorate mate...and none of my kids were ever in day care -both daughters are highly independent and do not blame men for anything..they are free thinkers and real feminist like my mother - who also did not dispise men.

[jdobbin]

Let me enlighten you oh dated one...The aging and very comfortable feminist elders have abandoned their younger sisters and womans rights are not in existance - nor are human rights in general.

That is kind of a scattergun statement that still doesn't address the needs of women. Telling them they are slaves doesn't help them right now with children.

What it sounds like to women is: Quit working, have children and stay at home.

Either the government pays for support of children in daycare or they support them in a bigger way at home.

[jdobbin]

PS Don't divorce if you have kids.

Is that what you tell your daughters? So if your daughter was married to a drunk abuser, your advice is: stay married for the sake of the children?

[Oleg Bach]

Is that what you tell your daughters? So if your daughter was married to a drunk abuser, your advice is: stay married for the sake of the children?

My daughters and sons will never fall into the institution or trap called marriage. As far as offspring..they may generate some...and maybe not...Love is eternal and the most important thing to learn is the difference between love and sex - secondly if you are to have peace in a family there must be total loyality to prosper...and we live in a world where all are disloyal..not my problem....Plus - there are woman drunk or sober that abuse men as did their grandmothers before them..my addvice is to avoid such families that carry the curse of disloyality and violence...it's learned behaviour.....life is to short to have a contentious wife or husband.

[jdobbin]

My daughters and sons will never fall into the institution or trap called marriage. As far as offspring..they may generate some...and maybe not...Love is eternal and the most important thing to learn is the difference between love and sex - secondly if you are to have peace in a family there must be total loyality to prosper...and we live in a world where all are disloyal..not my problem....Plus - there are woman drunk or sober that abuse men as did their grandmothers before them..my addvice is to avoid such families that carry the curse of disloyality and violence...it's learned behaviour.....life is to short to have a contentious wife or husband.

I think this one of those grand statements I talked about.

The one thing I didn't hear was how the children can be supported.

[Oleg Bach]

I think this one of those grand statements I talked about.

The one thing I didn't hear was how the children can be supported.

Begged - borrowed - stole - conned and WORKED - AND AT TIMES YOU SENT ME A CHECK WHEN I PRETENDED TO BE WAYWARD FATHER who abandoned the kids and went to L.A. - actually I was hidding under the couch...I did what I had to do to survive my friend and I have no regrets if I sent you to work to feed my kids on occassion...at least I did not abandon them - so a few hundred grand out of the public purse ..thank God for the Christian concept of charity...through forced taxation....Yep.....and as my mother taught me - when hungry kids come to the door you feed them....guess I am old school.

[Keepitsimple]

Everyone's already picked on the source of the report as being uniuon biased.....but what I find amazing is that so many provinces/Territories got a C - last time I checked, that was an average grade - needed work - but still average. Only BC, Ontario and Alberta received D's. That's quite telling as they are the richest provinces....so according to this labour-biased report, even they conclude that things are not really that bad.

[MontyBurns]

Quit working, have children and stay at home.

I agree.

The feminists should quit whining also. Cant have your cake and eat it too.

[jdobbin]

I agree.

The feminists should quit whining also. Cant have your cake and eat it too.

I often wonder if you are married and have a family.

[M.Dancer]

I often wonder if you are married and have a family.

Best way to find out is to stop having him over at yiour place and insist on spending the night at his...and be sure to leave scratch marks on his back...

[Renegade]

Either the government pays for support of children in daycare or they support them in a bigger way at home.

Please explain what you mean by this.

[jdobbin]

Please explain what you mean by this.

For quite a few women, daycare gives them the opportunity to work and not be on welfare or being a tax write off as a dependent. Either way you look at it, it costs the government. I suggest that it is easier on the taxpayer to have people working and support childcare rather than not have them work and support both.

[Renegade]

For quite a few women, daycare gives them the opportunity to work and not be on welfare or being a tax write off as a dependent. Either way you look at it, it costs the government. I suggest that it is easier on the taxpayer to have people working and support childcare rather than not have them work and support both.

By "easier on the taxpayer" do you mean more cost effective? Do you have any evidence to back this up? If what you say is true, no additional funding for daycare is required. It is simply a transfer of funding from welfare to daycare.

[madmax]

The CPC plan has benefitted my family far more than any previous programs. It gives parents more options and more control over their own children's welfare. Not only did we have more money in our pockets each month to put towards the child care we needed, but we also paid less taxes thoughout the year, and got more back on our returns.

How much money did you get from the government?

How much did you spend on child care you needed?

[jdobbin]

By "easier on the taxpayer" do you mean more cost effective? Do you have any evidence to back this up? If what you say is true, no additional funding for daycare is required. It is simply a transfer of funding from welfare to daycare.

I have not seen a study on this at all. It would be interesting to see what the cost effectiveness is.

I doubt there is simple method of transfering funding from welfare to daycare but I'd welcome someone to show how it could be done.

[Bryan]

How much money did you get from the government?

How much did you spend on child care you needed?

$100/month, directly. Plus a reduction in my overall taxes being deducted every week, and a substantial increase in the amount I got back in my tax return. Yes, those other tax considerations are separate issues technically unrelated to child care, but they are just an overview of

That $100 accounts for nearly 25% of my child care costs. That's pretty substantial in my book, and I can't see how (on a per child basis) anyone could argue that it's not enough. It's a lot more than I would have advocated for had I been asked prior to the policy being enacted, and certainly more than anyone "deserves".

I doubt there is simple method of transfering funding from welfare to daycare but I'd welcome someone to show how it could be done.

I'd rather see them cut back the funding for both, drastically. Welfare is far too available (especially here in Manitoba), it turns the government into an enabler for generational problems. It should take a lot of work to get on welfare, so much so that it's just not worth it because getting a job is easier.

[segnosaur]

You must have been one of a smaller number of people who benefited then. A lot of families, according to some of the polls on the issue, have found it hard to find care or pay for it based on the Tory plan.

And a lot of Families in Quebec, when the instituted their universal plan years ago, have found it difficult (if not impossible) to find spots.

From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/daycare/...a_snapshot.html : "As soon as I got pregnant, everybody told me you have to call everywhere to be... well, to get a place, because it's very difficult," one mother says....many day-cares have waiting lists 900 names long.... "I'm going back to work in a month and a half, and for the moment, I only have a spot in a private day care"...

So, in Quebec, many people still can't get this nice, cheap day care. (Of course, those people stuck in private daycare end up helping to pay for those people lucky enough to find publicly sponsored care... doesn't exactly sound like a very fair system to me.)

There was a lot more support for the Liberal plan.

http://action.web.ca/home/ccaac/alerts.sht...9e4dd6dfba5c7f0

Hey, that's quite possibly true. But then, whether we support or reject public day care should depend only on whether its a good policy or not.

But the, I wonder how many people would change their opinions if they were told "Do you want to have $X added to your tax bill to fund day care", or how many would change their opinions if they head about the problems in the Quebec system. Its easy to say "I want free stuff". Its a bit more difficult to say "I want stuff that I have to pay for and have no control over".

The Liberal plan on daycare was not an estimated cost. It was what what was being given to the provinces to manage their own programs of building daycare space. There were no cost overruns possible because it was not being centrally administered by the Feds. The federal share was a set number.

Your right, the Liberal plan was to basically turn the money over to the provinces. But then, there would have been 2 possibilities:

- The cost per space or demand would have been higher than expected, and as a result, many people would end up on a waiting list,

- The provinces start demanding more money

We may never know whether the Liberal plan would have worked. However, the experience with the Quebec plan should cause people to question the wisdom of large-scale public daycare subsidies.

[segnosaur]

Either the government pays for support of children in daycare or they support them in a bigger way at home.

Your statement makes several false assumptions. It assumes that home or government supported daycare are the only options. Some women do manage to earn enough income to pay for their own daycare.

Secondly, it assumes that such daycare schemes would be targeted at those that need it most... the single parent. However, in the Quebec system, it is often the successful 2 parent families who get the best daycare spots, while single parents often end up on waiting lists.