Liberal Targeting of Ethnic Groups

[g_bambino]

Ok, so we agree that the Liberals are traitors and pander to foreign cultures.

Ummm... I said I might be inclined to agree, and I can't do that with your claim that the Liberal party is seditious. Making bad decisions does not make one a traitor.

[Who's Doing What?]

Of course not. The Muslims are buddies with the Liberals. Both want to destroy the west.

That's funny.

Don't quite agree with it, but it made me laugh.

[Who's Doing What?]

I didnt say that. I said that few countries want foreigners over their own citizens. Canada does want foreigners in preference to locals.

You are comparing Canada to countries or cultures that have been around for thousands of years. In Canada we are a relatively new country and totally new culture that has thrived on immigration since the beginning. To say "send us your best and brightest" to other countriesis nothing I am ashamed of. However that fact that some highly skilled people are working menial jobs is disturbing. The other fact is that with our porous immigration policy we have let far too many undesirables and outright criminals into this country and need to tighten things up.

Hmmmm...... if only there was a Party that believed in both.

[MontyBurns]

The other fact is that with our porous immigration policy we have let far too many undesirables and outright criminals into this country and need to tighten things up.

Right on! We definitely need to stop all the mafia, biker gangs and social welfare sponges that the Liberals let in. We can't be liberal with these types. Remember, we have to live amongst these gangs and pay for them with our taxes.

[Who's Doing What?]

Right on! We definitely need to stop all the mafia, biker gangs and social welfare sponges that the Liberals let in. We can't be liberal with these types. Remember, we have to live amongst these gangs and pay for them with our taxes.

Mafia - Been around for almost 100 years in Canada, granted new ones like Russian have been popping up.

Biker Gangs - Going 3 generations back from those people I know.

They are here, and have been for a while.

I agree they should not be allowing people to immigrate who are suspected of being involved in these organizations. I would happily welcome a policy of "We'll send you any criminal that is wanted for a crime within his/her country of citizenship."

We need to tighten immigration not eliminate it.

Welfare sponges - I would wager that those on welfare born in Canada greatly out number those on welfare born abroad.

[MontyBurns]

Mafia - Been around for almost 100 years in Canada, granted new ones like Russian have been popping up.

Biker Gangs - Going 3 generations back from those people I know.

They are here, and have been for a while.

I agree they should not be allowing people to immigrate who are suspected of being involved in these organizations. I would happily welcome a policy of "We'll send you any criminal that is wanted for a crime within his/her country of citizenship."

We need to tighten immigration not eliminate it.

Welfare sponges - I would wager that those on welfare born in Canada greatly out number those on welfare born abroad.

Yeah. Some of this stuff is home grown. But it is our liberal policies that allow the mafia and hells angels to run wild. Around the world Canada is recognized as a good place to set up organized crime. Montreal in particular is a place that foreign mafia like to set up shop.

[g_bambino]

Yeah. Some of this stuff is home grown. But it is our liberal policies that allow the mafia and hells angels to run wild. Around the world Canada is recognized as a good place to set up organized crime. Montreal in particular is a place that foreign mafia like to set up shop.

Yes, there is a certain palpable softness about the Liberals when it comes to crime; especially when it comes to crime mixed with immigration. But, I certainly don't think they turn a blind eye only to crimes committed by ethnic people; they seem to be just generally leniant across the board.

What I really think of when one says that the Liberal Party targets ethnic groups is that they essentially promise to help ethnic people remain ethnic as long as they'll vote Liberal; it's a lucrative policy for the party, but not for the country.

[madmax]

Do you know that for a fact, I've been on some training sessions (not lately mind you) and never came across that.

Conservative Riding Associations do not ignore ethnic communities. Neither do their candidates. They speak at ethnic functions, maintain close ties, put out literature in many languages, and even (TO THE HORROR OF MONTY BURNS) have pictures taken with dark skinned individuals.

Maybe you haven't come across it, but back in 1985, it was common for the Conservative Candidate to travel with Sikh groups and Gay groups, and surprise of surprises, they got elected too.

Fact is, the associations of the CPC and the LPC are often interchangeable and party memberships go back and forth between the two.

Ignoring Ethnic Communities is suicide for the riding association and the candidate.

It is the parties that are not LPC and CPC which do not have strong ethnic teachings in their riding associations and fewer ties to the various community groups.

A riding with 90,000 people is likely to have 101 different community groups, and meeting with the Chinese or Phillipino community is standard fare. Teaching how to break into these groups, including religious groups, is also standard fare and a practice of the CPC.

Isn't it.

[BC_chick]

Of course not. The Muslims are buddies with the Liberals. Both want to destroy the west.

Don't forget the freedom. You can't destroy the west without hating freedom.

[MontyBurns]

... travel with Sikh groups and Gay groups ...

They should be more careful. Those Sikhs look a little dark to me.

[Argus]

They should be more careful. Those Sikhs look a little dark to me.

Came across an interesting article the other day, though it's been around a while. It's quite interesting in how it describes ethnic groups like Sikhs, and the pressure they bring to bear on politicians who want their support.

The diminutive Father Xavier did not mince his words in laying out the price for the support of the 45 Tamil Canadian delegates to the Liberal convention: "Mr. Rae, I am great fan of yours and you have done a lot for the Tamil community as premier of Ontario, but will you promise to delist the Tamil Tigers from Canada's list of terrorist organizations, if you become leader of the Liberal Party and prime minister of Canada?"

Mr. Rae replied that if Tamil Canadians wanted the Tigers to be delisted, they should pressure the LTTE to do what Yasser Arafat did with the PLO and Nelson Mandela did with the ANC. "Firstly, there can be no military solution to the war in Sri Lanka and, second, if any politician promises you that he will help delist the LTTE as a terrorist organization, he is not telling the truth," he said. His response did not go down well -- and nary a Bob Rae button was to be found on the 45 Tamil Canadian delegates at the convention.

Liberal leadership and ethnic lobbying

[MontyBurns]

Came across an interesting article the other day, though it's been around a while. It's quite interesting in how it describes ethnic groups like Sikhs, and the pressure they bring to bear on politicians who want their support.

The diminutive Father Xavier did not mince his words in laying out the price for the support of the 45 Tamil Canadian delegates to the Liberal convention: "Mr. Rae, I am great fan of yours and you have done a lot for the Tamil community as premier of Ontario, but will you promise to delist the Tamil Tigers from Canada's list of terrorist organizations, if you become leader of the Liberal Party and prime minister of Canada?"

Mr. Rae replied that if Tamil Canadians wanted the Tigers to be delisted, they should pressure the LTTE to do what Yasser Arafat did with the PLO and Nelson Mandela did with the ANC. "Firstly, there can be no military solution to the war in Sri Lanka and, second, if any politician promises you that he will help delist the LTTE as a terrorist organization, he is not telling the truth," he said. His response did not go down well -- and nary a Bob Rae button was to be found on the 45 Tamil Canadian delegates at the convention.

Liberal leadership and ethnic lobbying

I guess this is one of the pitfalls of pandering to "ethnic" groups. You must support un-Canadian causes if you pander to them.

[Michael Hardner]

MB,

I am thoroughly confused. Your point seems to contract the example you provided. How did Rae support an un-Canadian cause in your example ?

[MontyBurns]

MB,

I am thoroughly confused. Your point seems to contract the example you provided. How did Rae support an un-Canadian cause in your example ?

Rae didn't. But to get the support of Sikhs he would have had to support an un-Canadian cause.

I was just pointing out pitfalls of ethnic group pandering in general.

[Michael Hardner]

I see. Thanks.

Hopefully, Rae is correct when he says "if any politician promises you that he will help delist the LTTE as a terrorist organization, he is not telling the truth"

[g_bambino]

Rae didn't. But to get the support of Sikhs he would have had to support an un-Canadian cause.

I was just pointing out pitfalls of ethnic group pandering in general.

I can't believe it, but if the story is true, I have to give some credit to Rae. One thing that has always bothered me about the Liberal Party is its penchant for trying to be everything to everyone; nobody can do wrong (except, of course, anyone who doesn't agree with Liberal dogma, which, in the party's eyes, is definitive proof of one's "un-Canadian-ness"). Here, Rae seems to abandon this characteristic.

[Argus]

I can't believe it, but if the story is true, I have to give some credit to Rae. One thing that has always bothered me about the Liberal Party is its penchant for trying to be everything to everyone; nobody can do wrong (except, of course, anyone who doesn't agree with Liberal dogma, which, in the party's eyes, is definitive proof of one's "un-Canadian-ness"). Here, Rae seems to abandon this characteristic.

Gerard Kennedy was the guy who apparently managed to give the most promises to Tamils, Sikhs, Muslims, etc, and then all his votes went to - uhm, Stephan Dion.