Argus Posted April 29, 2008 Report Posted April 29, 2008 (edited) They must resort using anonymous stooges to question the justice system, because they think that Canadians are stupid? Some Canadians are, indeed stupid. I say that every time I read one of your posts. Edited April 29, 2008 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shakeyhands Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Posted April 29, 2008 Some Canadians are, indeed stupid. I say that every time I read one of your posts. Seriously Argus, must every post contain a personal attack? reported (wouldn't want you to have to wonder who did it.) Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
punked Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/04/29/...ons-motion.html Quote
Wild Bill Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/04/29/...ons-motion.html Interesting article! So the Opposition claims that the Tories are tarnishing the reputation of an institution (Elections Canada) that Canadians "all love and respect". From what I've seen and read (Peter C Newman's 'The Canadian Revolution', Gairdner's 'The Trouble With Canada' to name only two) Canadians lost faith with government and its institutions nearly 2 decades ago, around the time of the Mulroney fall from grace and the implementation of the GST. I hope this is just rhetoric on the Opposition's part. I'd had to think they're so naive as to actually believe that's what Canadians believe! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Shakeyhands Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Posted April 30, 2008 Interesting article! So the Opposition claims that the Tories are tarnishing the reputation of an institution (Elections Canada) that Canadians "all love and respect".From what I've seen and read (Peter C Newman's 'The Canadian Revolution', Gairdner's 'The Trouble With Canada' to name only two) Canadians lost faith with government and its institutions nearly 2 decades ago, around the time of the Mulroney fall from grace and the implementation of the GST. I hope this is just rhetoric on the Opposition's part. I'd had to think they're so naive as to actually believe that's what Canadians believe! Seems more of a ploy to keep this on the front burner, it will hit the news cycles again today and possibly a few more days. Further it brings in to question this Conservative paranoia that seems to abound and is really unattractive to most Canadians. Whats really amazing is how many of these CPC "scandals" seem to hit the cycle and disappear never to reappear. If I was a member of the opposition, I'd make sure they were front and center, just as the CPC did when they formed the opposition. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Argus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Seriously Argus, must every post contain a personal attack? reported (wouldn't want you to have to wonder who did it.) It's so cute that jdobbin has a fan club! My posts take the tone of those I converse with. If their tone and behaviour is insulting my response will be, as well. As he - and you - are invariably as insulting as possible, I am rarely polite with either of you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Seems more of a ploy to keep this on the front burner, it will hit the news cycles again today and possibly a few more days. Further it brings in to question this Conservative paranoia that seems to abound and is really unattractive to most Canadians.Whats really amazing is how many of these CPC "scandals" seem to hit the cycle and disappear never to reappear. If I was a member of the opposition, I'd make sure they were front and center, just as the CPC did when they formed the opposition. Well, of course, the difference is that the Tory "scandals" are minor league stuff, quibbling about the fine details of legal niceties and regulations, whereas the scandals from the party you're so enthusiastic about involved massive corruption, fraud, theft, embezzlement, racketeering, and the misuse of the RCMP to abuse and jail political opponents. None of which, curiously, you noticed or cared about! This is why I have so much respect for the opinions of Liberal supporters on integrity issues. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 My posts take the tone of those I converse with. If their tone and behaviour is insulting my response will be, as well.As he - and you - are invariably as insulting as possible, I am rarely polite with either of you. You disagree with the tone and that warrants personal insults? The rules are pretty clear that for posters to remain civil. If it isn't something you can do, perhaps this isn't the place for you. Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Well, of course, the difference is that the Tory "scandals" are minor league stuff, quibbling about the fine details of legal niceties and regulations, whereas the scandals from the party you're so enthusiastic about involved massive corruption, fraud, theft, embezzlement, racketeering, and the misuse of the RCMP to abuse and jail political opponents.None of which, curiously, you noticed or cared about! This is why I have so much respect for the opinions of Liberal supporters on integrity issues. I remember Paul Martin being very open and calling for a full investigation and public inquiry when the Liberals were acused of wrongdoing. All we ever get from Harper and the conservatives is secrecy, sneakyness and excuses. Harper just tries to keep the tory corruption hidden. See how long it takes you to get a response to a freedom of information request from this corrupt tory government. How long will the Canadian public put up with being kept in the dark about Tory dealings? Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 You disagree with the tone and that warrants personal insults? The rules are pretty clear that for posters to remain civil. If it isn't something you can do, perhaps this isn't the place for you. Your tone is indicative of a clear lack of civility. Alas, the mods here allow you to get away with things that they chastise other posters for. Your libelous 'stalker boy' cries were too much even for you. This is a "partly" publicly-supported message board. Not your place to decide who can, or can't, post here. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
madmax Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 This is a "partly" publicly-supported message board. Not your place to decide who can, or can't, post here. Public Monies for a message board? Socialism... Quote
sharkman Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 You disagree with the tone and that warrants personal insults? The rules are pretty clear that for posters to remain civil. If it isn't something you can do, perhaps this isn't the place for you. This from a poster who's taken to refer to ass kickings. Apparently people who disagree with him are all lying. I don't think this is the place for you, Dobbin, with all of the whining you do. Quote
segnosaur Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 I remember Paul Martin being very open and calling for a full investigation and public inquiry when the Liberals were acused of wrongdoing. In that case, you seem to be forgetting some of the details.... Prior to Paul Martin's public inquiry, there had already been a commons committee looking into the matter. Granted, the committee didn't have the same legal authority that the inquiry did, but they could still have given at least some indication about what was going on. Paul Martin basically ended the committee's investigation and had an election called (less than 4 years into the Liberal's mandate, I might add.) Had Paul Martin been truly interested in resolving this issue fairly, he would have at least delayed the election until at least some of the facts had been made known. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 This from a poster who's taken to refer to ass kickings. Apparently people who disagree with him are all lying. I don't think this is the place for you, Dobbin, with all of the whining you do. Alas, the mods think it is. That is what counts, regardless of the rules or blatantly different standards applying to different posters. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Public Monies for a message board?Socialism... I think the moderators have gone over this point a few times but it still seems to get debated about where the money comes from. Perhaps they will shed light once again on the issue. It isn't related to this thread at all but neither are the personal attacks. It is rather amazing how wound up the right wing has gotten about this issue. They are lashing out at everyone. They've voted non-confidence in Elections Canada. http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...fKfDX-pBoas8asg Stephen Harper's Conservatives have refused to join in a parliamentary show of confidence in Elections Canada, the independent watchdog charged with ensuring electoral fairness and honesty.Embroiled in a protracted dispute with the agency over alleged election financing fraud, they voted against a Bloc Quebecois motion proclaiming "full and complete confidence" in Elections Canada. The motion also called for a vote of confidence in William Corbett, the elections commissioner who authorized the RCMP raid on Tory headquarters amid an investigation into the so-called in-and-out scheme. The prime minister continued Tuesday to insist his party has done nothing wrong and has been unfairly targeted by Elections Canada. In a vote of 152-117, Elections Canada received the support of all three opposition parties. They can't even blame the Liberals for this motion since it came from the BQ. Quote
jdobbin Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 I remember Paul Martin being very open and calling for a full investigation and public inquiry when the Liberals were acused of wrongdoing. All we ever get from Harper and the conservatives is secrecy, sneakyness and excuses. Harper just tries to keep the tory corruption hidden. See how long it takes you to get a response to a freedom of information request from this corrupt tory government. How long will the Canadian public put up with being kept in the dark about Tory dealings? It is probably why Tory numbers are falling in the polls and why most people in Canada think they spent more than they were allowed in the election. They just don't find the Tory claims that spending followed the rules. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 I remember Paul Martin being very open and calling for a full investigation and public inquiry when the Liberals were acused of wrongdoing. All we ever get from Harper and the conservatives is secrecy, sneakyness and excuses. As opposed to how Chretien ran the Liberals? Chretien laughed at APEC, played dirty but was a winner. Served as PM for a decade. Martin thought he was above the fray, called Gomery thinking he wouldn't be tainted by it. Served as PM for 14 months. Now Martin is widely considered the biggest disappointment as PM .... ever. Which man should Harper emulate? Hmmm, I know why the Liberals here want him to emulate Martin, but let's suppose Harper is running in the best interest of the CPC, not the Liberals! Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 Paul Martin basically ended the committee's investigation and had an election called (less than 4 years into the Liberal's mandate, I might add.)Had Paul Martin been truly interested in resolving this issue fairly, he would have at least delayed the election until at least some of the facts had been made known. You do realize that four years is the average mandate for a majority government across Canada? Paul Martin called an election in part because the Opposition was calling him the unelected prime minister at the time. In any event, if compared to today, we see Harper's committee chairmen running away from committees or losing the policy booklets about how to undermine committees. We see no attempt to call an inquiry into election spending because Harper has no idea how that will turn out for him. When he called an inquiry into Liberal polling, it came back and bit him when it was revealed the Tories were polling at a far faster rate than the Liberals were. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 (edited) Prior to Paul Martin's public inquiry, there had already been a commons committee looking into the matter. Granted, the committee didn't have the same legal authority that the inquiry did, but they could still have given at least some indication about what was going on. Paul Martin basically ended the committee's investigation and had an election called (less than 4 years into the Liberal's mandate, I might add.)Had Paul Martin been truly interested in resolving this issue fairly, he would have at least delayed the election until at least some of the facts had been made known. Martin called the election after the Liberals had been in office for 3 years and 7 months. Far shorter than the standard four year term for a majority Government. If Martin were interested in resolving the issue he would have waited until at least the fall of 2004. Alas, he listened to his braintrust and tried to catch the Conservatives unawares. I think the moderators have gone over this point a few times but it still seems to get debated about where the money comes from. Perhaps they will shed light once again on the issue. It isn't related to this thread at all but neither are the personal attacks. Do explain how this response is related to this thread 'at all'? You disagree with the tone and that warrants personal insults? The rules are pretty clear that for posters to remain civil. If it isn't something you can do, perhaps this isn't the place for you. Oh wait, it's do as you say, not as you do. Edited April 30, 2008 by Michael Bluth Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
guyser Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 (edited) Do explain how this response is related to this thread 'at all'? You are serious? Well then.....Cuz you mentioned it? In response to madmax. post #635 micheal bluthThis is a "partly" publicly-supported message board. Not your place to decide who can, or can't, post here. That was easy. Back to your unwarranted attacks on the person. Edited April 30, 2008 by guyser Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 That was easy.Back to your unwarranted attacks on the person. What was easy? Blind devotion to non-moderators attempting to exert influence over the board? The mods don't officially allow it, so they don't have the power. Guess you haven't proven anything and didn't really have a point. Proving that was easy. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Argus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 You disagree with the tone and that warrants personal insults? The rules are pretty clear that for posters to remain civil. If it isn't something you can do, perhaps this isn't the place for you. Like the Liberals, whose own corruption knows almost no limits, yet who whine incessantly about the slightest possibility of even the most minor Tory transgression, you whine incessantly about anything you can possibly interpret as a personal insult. And like the Liberals, you're almost always wrong in your hysterical complaints. Perhaps if the slightest questions or allusions to motivation disturb you so you should consider posting on rabble or somewhere else filled with fellow travelers who'll agree with whatever swill you post. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 What was easy? What was easy? Easy was answering a dumb question you posed concerning who brought this up (you did) and where was it s relevance (again you did) Blind devotion to non-moderators attempting to exert influence over the board? I suppose the fact that dobbin said "perhaps" is lost on you. But then again, this attack today is SOP for you guys. It really is quite funny and transparent. CPC handbook gets around doesnt it? Proving that was easy. Still sore at being pantsed badly by me? I will apologize. I am sorry you were embarassed by it. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 30, 2008 Report Posted April 30, 2008 What was easy? Easy was answering a dumb question you posed concerning who brought this up (you did) and where was it s relevance (again you did)Still sore at being pantsed badly by me? I will apologize. I am sorry you were embarassed by it. As you said... Back to your unwarranted attacks on the person. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Posted April 30, 2008 guys lets cut this out and get back on track. We were discussing in and out schemes remember.... Welcome back Bluth! Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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