Canadian History - Economic Inequalities?

Hyru · April 3, 2008

Hey all, my first post here. Great site!

I was wondering what some of your views were on economic inequalities. I kmnow its been a reoccuring theme throughout Canadian history and was wondering what you guys thought were the most significant aspects?

Has much changed?

M.Dancer · April 3, 2008

Hey all, my first post here. Great site!
I was wondering what some of your views were on economic inequalities. I kmnow its been a reoccuring theme throughout Canadian history and was wondering what you guys thought were the most significant aspects?

Has much changed?

I wasn't aware that it was a theme at all. Unless you are refering to transfer payments then I suppose we should work to create greater demand for seal pelts and potatoes.

Hyru · April 3, 2008

I wasn't aware that it was a theme at all. Unless you are refering to transfer payments then I suppose we should work to create greater demand for seal pelts and potatoes.

you do not think that economic inequalities, especially considering the case of Pierre Trudeau's request om implementing economic rights into the charter is a theme? Personally, I would say its been evident not only in that particular case, but throughout Canadian history as a whole.

M.Dancer · April 3, 2008

you do not think that economic inequalities, especially considering the case of Pierre Trudeau's request om implementing economic rights into the charter is a theme? Personally, I would say its been evident not only in that particular case, but throughout Canadian history as a whole.

I'm not sure what you are refering to.

What economic rights?

Hyru · April 3, 2008

I'm not sure what you are refering to.
What economic rights?

There are no economic rights in the charter. Trudeau believed there should be, in order for a true democracy to flourish - In other words, economic rights are required for all people to be viewed as "equal"... But Economic rights were never implemented into the Charter.

M.Dancer · April 3, 2008

There are no economic rights in the charter. Trudeau believed there should be, in order for a true democracy to flourish - In other words, economic rights are required for all people to be viewed as "equal"... But Economic rights were never implemented into the Charter.

How would you word that?

You have the right to try. You have the right to fail. What you don't have is the right not to work.

Sean Hayward · April 4, 2008

This is a question that has been raised in the past in many other contexts. Should economic rights be guaranteed alongside other human rights? The answer is probably yes, as long as the rights provided are kept reasonably basic. However, the devil is in the details and I would be surprised if anyone could come up with a good text for such rights to be put into the Charter of Rights.

MontyBurns · April 4, 2008

I think all this "equalness" stuff is overrated.

Sean Hayward · April 4, 2008

I think all this "equalness" stuff is overrated.

Then I'm sorry to tell you this, but I think you belong in a different century, perhaps the early nineteenth.

MontyBurns · April 4, 2008

Then I'm sorry to tell you this, but I think you belong in a different century, perhaps the early nineteenth.

Ahh yes ... the good old days of the early 19th century. Before all this "equalness" foolishness got started. Now we are advanced and have discovered ways to make male=female and black=white.

oreodontist · April 4, 2008

you do not think that economic inequalities, especially considering the case of Pierre Trudeau's request om implementing economic rights into the charter is a theme? Personally, I would say its been evident not only in that particular case, but throughout Canadian history as a whole.

As an Albertan Ill be polite:

Trudeau was a F.....G Bastard. I don't give a crap what his view of history is or what the asshole wanted.

MontyBurns · April 4, 2008

Trudeau was a F.....G Bastard. I don't give a crap what his view of history is or what the asshole wanted.

Now you're talkin!

oreodontist · April 4, 2008

Now you're talkin!

Federal Election 2006

Alberta results:

Conservatives 29 seats

Liberals A big fat ZERO....we'll never forget Hitler or Trudeau. I hate that bastard

charter.rights · April 4, 2008

There are no economic rights in the charter. Trudeau believed there should be, in order for a true democracy to flourish - In other words, economic rights are required for all people to be viewed as "equal"... But Economic rights were never implemented into the Charter.

Well yes there are...kind of...

The Constitution Act Sect. 36.

36. (1) Without altering the legislative authority of Parliament or of the provincial legislatures, or the rights of any of them with respect to the exercise of their legislative authority, Parliament and the legislatures, together with the government of Canada and the provincial governments, are committed to

( a) promoting equal opportunities for the well-being of Canadians;

(b ) furthering the economic development to reduce disparity in opportunities; and

( c) providing essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

(2) Parliament and the government of Canada are committed to the principle of making equalization payments to ensure that provincial governments have sufficient revenues to provide reasonably comparable levels of public services at reasonably comparable levels of taxation.(19)

This more or less provides for the redistribution of wealth, from the "have provinces" to the "have-not provinces".

Edited April 4, 2008 by charter.rights

Alta4ever · April 4, 2008

Well yes there are...kind of...
The Constitution Act Sect. 36.

36. (1) Without altering the legislative authority of Parliament or of the provincial legislatures, or the rights of any of them with respect to the exercise of their legislative authority, Parliament and the legislatures, together with the government of Canada and the provincial governments, are committed to

( a) promoting equal opportunities for the well-being of Canadians;

(b ) furthering the economic development to reduce disparity in opportunities; and

( c) providing essential public services of reasonable quality to all Canadians.

(2) Parliament and the government of Canada are committed to the principle of making equalization payments to ensure that provincial governments have sufficient revenues to provide reasonably comparable levels of public services at reasonably comparable levels of taxation.(19)

This more or less provides for the redistribution of wealth, from the "have provinces" to the "have-not provinces".

Nothing but socialist policy, draging everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

charter.rights · April 4, 2008

Nothing but socialist policy, draging everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

Hey dude. It isn't a "policy", socialist or otherwise. It is the Supreme Law of Canada. If you don't agree with it you could always move out and make way for some immigrants would would love to have a chance to prove their new country proud.

This is not something new. It was the foundation of the BNA Act 1867 and one of the major reasons for forming a country.

Edited April 4, 2008 by charter.rights

Alta4ever · April 4, 2008

Hey dude. It isn't a "policy", socialist or otherwise. It is the Supreme Law of Canada. If you don't agree with it you could always move out and make way for some immigrants would would love to have a chance to prove their new country proud.
This is not something new. It was the foundation of the BNA Act 1867 and one of the major reasons for forming a country.

It is a socialist policy that was added as an amendment to the BNA act in 1982, by the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen.

I am proud of the History of Canada, but I am not proud of the damage the PT did to this country over the terms he spent in the PM's office. It will take many years to undo the damage he did.

MontyBurns · April 4, 2008

It is a socialist policy that was added as an amendment to the BNA act in 1982, by the worst Prime Minister this country has ever seen.
I am proud of the History of Canada, but I am not proud of the damage the PT did to this country over the terms he spent in the PM's office. It will take many years to undo the damage he did.

Couldn't agree more. It will take generations to undo Trudeaus garbage policies.

oreodontist · April 4, 2008

Poll

History's most hated man in Alberta

a: Trudeau

b: Trudeau

c: Trudeau

charter.rights · April 4, 2008

Poll
History's most hated man in Alberta

a: Trudeau

b: Trudeau

c: Trudeau

Wrong. The most hated person in Alberta is anyone with anything to do with Ottawa. Albertans have a hard time being real Canadians and instead would have preferred being in a dictatorship with them at the top. And I suppose that every once and a while they need to be reminded that they are all immigrants in one form or fashion.

Renegade · April 4, 2008

There are no economic rights in the charter. Trudeau believed there should be, in order for a true democracy to flourish - In other words, economic rights are required for all people to be viewed as "equal"... But Economic rights were never implemented into the Charter.

It would be helpful Hyru, if you defined what specificly you mean by an "economic right". Yes you are right that it isnt in the charter, but what exactly is it?

oreodontist · April 4, 2008

Wrong. The most hated person in Alberta is anyone with anything to do with Ottawa. Albertans have a hard time being real Canadians and instead would have preferred being in a dictatorship with them at the top. And I suppose that every once and a while they need to be reminded that they are all immigrants in one form or fashion.

Wrong: it's Trudeau..the asshole.

Anyone to do with Ottawa?...hint Harper is from Calgary.

charter.rights · April 4, 2008

Wrong: it's Trudeau..the asshole.
Anyone to do with Ottawa?...hint Harper is from Calgary.

Hint: Harper is originally from Ontario.

oreodontist · April 4, 2008

Hint: Harper is originally from Ontario.

Can't admit your stupid comment. Ha! Ha!

Bottom line: Trudeau was a fucking bastard and we hope he is rotting in NEP Hell.

Hopefully he's having a hot poker stuck up his asshole

charter.rights · April 4, 2008

Can't admit your stupid comment. Ha! Ha!
Bottom line: Trudeau was a fucking bastard and we hope he is rotting in NEP Hell.

Hopefully he's having a hot poker stuck up his asshole

Nah. I bet he is laughing at all the nimrods who still slather all over him. He surely was an important man to all you Alberta types. Seems you just love to talk about him.

Just wait until Harper dips into the Oil cash cow. Seems he'll be running a deficit the next couple of years because he paid off all his friends too early.