Canada's new laws-sexual consent

[RB]

Why is sex outside of marriage "immoral"?

One cannot make sex illegal between peers. How will you prosecute them? Chastity belts for both parties until they turn 18?

Just as children learn the difference between right and wrong, lie and lie, they can also be guided to what is peer pressure, what are virtues, what is good and bad... to what builds a character, what is a good conscience etc. I believe that there is something by far finer in a person with a conscience, of worthy convictions, folks that are not only sure of themselves but also sure of their friends.

What I meant, is what manner of moral man am I going to follow if I were to allow all the folk to lose themselves in insatiable sex in a round-robin, well maybe those moral ones are so sure of themselves and also sure of their friends since they are assured of being laid.

But, now even the government folks are wondering about a cure, they raised the age limit of sex. The question I wanted to ask is when will it be good at last.

Do not set high morals as a disadvantage. It blooms for those with pure conscience, the prudent, (neglected housewives lies) and aspiring ones who simply know its face, and the only compliment they pay it, is to own it.

(i think someone famous said that)

Edited March 11, 2008 by RB

[RB]

And just to reiterate a reason why youths should wait

"Researchers' Alarming' Find: 25% of Teen Girls, Half of African-American Teen Girls Have a Sexually Transmitted Disease"

1 in 4 Teen Girls Infected With an STD

really? I can pretend shock

[Topaz]

And just to reiterate a reason why youths should wait

"Researchers' Alarming' Find: 25% of Teen Girls, Half of African-American Teen Girls Have a Sexually Transmitted Disease"

1 in 4 Teen Girls Infected With an STD

really? I can pretend shock

And who gave it to them? Why is there a double standard that a guy can do anything with as many as he wants but when the female does, she called a name for life. Alot of why young girls are getting these diseases is the way they think. They think by having sex with this guy it means he loves me..wrong..he just wants sex at any cost and if she get pregnant that your problem lady! In certain states of the US, if a teenage boy has sex with someone under 16, he'll go to jail, so is that going to happen here? So much for pupping love...throw him in the pound!

[Drea]

I have the solution to all these young girls getting STD's...

Encourage all young men to screw one another and leave the young women alone until they are ready to make a committment... That would satisfy everybody!

The rightwing would get to keep it's girls virginal until marriage, and keep it's boys "on top of their game" so to speak (practice practice boys so you will have the ability to satifsy a wife!)

What you say? Boys get STD's too??? Oh, but the report only lamented that females have STD's... I guess it must be no big deal for males -- they can be free to spread their diseases to all the "bad" girls who screw.

Edited March 13, 2008 by Drea

[socred]

Why is sex outside of marriage "immoral"?

While it may be immoral for you (you have some invisible entity judging your every thought) it is not immoral for me.

So it is not your place to tell me what is and isn't immoral.

It certainly is my place to tell you what is and isn't immoral. That is what freedom of speech is all about. It isn't my place to impose my morality on you through force of law.

Edited March 13, 2008 by socred

[socred]

One cannot make sex illegal between peers. How will you prosecute them? Chasitity belts for both parties until they turn 18?

The punishments would be the same as if you broke any other laws, fines, probation and possible jail time.

[Adelle]

I recommend age 18 for sex - age appropriate for adult decision, take responsibilities for their actions and consequences.

Sex between minors should be illegal (period).

Thank goodness it is not. Every place that has succeeded in criminalizing it has the highest rates of teen pregnancy, STD’s and sexual offences. Are our courts and prisons not full enough without criminalizing a natural and healthy sexuality? Many like to think that minors (children and youths) are without a sexual identity but the facts show clearly that the average age teens engage in sex intercourse is 14. Of course, individuals may start earlier or later and this doesn’t include other sexual explorations.

To be honest, you would have to compare the AoC and stats for teen pregnancy, STD’s and sexual offences by state/province to get a real idea of the relationship between them. The real key is education, particularly sexual education, access to sexual information and how comfortable teens are in discussing their sexuality. Who do teens talk to? Parents, many of whom don’t want to discuss it, don’t want anyone else teaching them and confiscate sexual material they do find? Teachers, who may also be uncomfortable discussing it or are afraid of legal complications if they do? That leaves health professionals, who may not be easy to access or that teens fear may tell their parents, and peers, who’s information is suspect to say the least. Even though there is lots of information available, especially via the Internet, it is hard to decide what is true and what is part of some group’s agenda.

A friend of mine actually thought that he would be arrested if he tried to buy a box of condoms. In Canada - in the 21st century! Of course, there are places were sexual activity, usually by girls, can get you stoned, thrown down a well or otherwise killed for the sake of “honour”. I actually ended up being the source of accurate information that kept my friends healthy, in a big part because my parents were approachable and not afraid to tackle the tough questions. Not like parents who want words like vagina or penis or group sex removed from store shelves or signs so their children don’t ask embarrassing questions. Not to mention the female breast or full nudity whether in modern photo-art or a 14th century religious icon.

However; morality is an issue between oneself and God.

Yes, whichever God you chose to believe in - or not to believe in. A person’s moral code is THEIR moral code. It doesn’t apply to me any more than mine applies to them. Unfortunately, too many moralists believe that they must ensure that others do not sin either.

[Drea]

As girls are the ones most likely benefiting, while applauded I'd even encourage the age of consent to age 18, for folks to be adult, make adult decisions pertaining to the bedroom

This approval of promiscuous behavior at such an early age and common law arrangements is the decay of morals and have led to much self esteem issues in women

Where have you seen these women with low self esteem?

Most "bad" women I know are very confident in their abilities so maybe the only women you know are from your church and like my big sis -- funny, me the youngest sister, was promiscuous (for lack of better word) and my sister was a virgin until marriage. I am much much more confident in my abilities than she is. She has huge self esteem issues. She would like to leave her loser husband but is afraid she can't do it on her own.

[Oleg Bach]

Where have you seen these women with low self esteem?

Most "bad" women I know are very confident in their abilities so maybe the only women you know are from your church and like my big sis -- funny, me the youngest sister, was promiscuous (for lack of better word) and my sister was a virgin until marriage. I am much much more confident in my abilities than she is. She has huge self esteem issues. She would like to leave her loser husband but is afraid she can't do it on her own.

All laws passed in Canada and all laws enforced are by design made to harrass and weaken public resolve and personal focus. It's an act of maturity when one comes to the realization that the wicked and the foolish have taken over the systems...it is much easier for a talentless elite to rule a distraught populace...it is systemic that creeps have one thing figured out - GIVE THE POPULATION A HARD TIME AND NO JUSTICE AND INSIST THAT ADULTS SEXUALLY DEFILE THEIR CHILDREN WITH IMPUNITY - welcome to a rerun of Brave Heart - where the ignobles plunder the people and socially sodomize them into submission.

[Adelle]

All laws passed in Canada and all laws enforced are by design made to harrass and weaken public resolve and personal focus. It's an act of maturity when one comes to the realization that the wicked and the foolish have taken over the systems...it is much easier for a talentless elite to rule a distraught populace...it is systemic that creeps have one thing figured out - GIVE THE POPULATION A HARD TIME AND NO JUSTICE AND INSIST THAT ADULTS SEXUALLY DEFILE THEIR CHILDREN WITH IMPUNITY - welcome to a rerun of Brave Heart - where the ignobles plunder the people and socially sodomize them into submission.

OK, so is this your version of "The nuts are running the nut house." or are you saying that anyone that embraces their sexuality is a deviant?

[RB]

Where have you seen these women with low self esteem?

Most "bad" women I know are very confident in their abilities so maybe the only women you know are from your church and like my big sis -- funny, me the youngest sister, was promiscuous (for lack of better word) and my sister was a virgin until marriage. I am much much more confident in my abilities than she is. She has huge self esteem issues. She would like to leave her loser husband but is afraid she can't do it on her own.

Here is a report on the young and low self-esteem a reason why girls are admonishSelf-esteem and early sex

I guess that each person carry their own values, and gauge it against what others and society is doing.

I feel like the misguided free marketeer capitalist, I couldn't agree more the merrier. Sex is not special anymore, being a virgin, or waiting is so out of character

I am not the one judge what is "bad" women, though I suspect it would always be those extra men the bad women must have carried when compared to the other person's own statistics.

[Adelle]

"Having men want you sexually is validating or desirable, which is what I think is going on with younger women."

""We rarely shame young men for having sex, but it's part of our culture to shame young women for having sex. "

"Girls are still brought up to fear sex with the threat of pregnancy and STD's while boys are told it's a pleasurable experience."

And people wonder why young girls have issues? Nothing like mixed messages to add confusion to an already confused time of life.

"We don't want to be admonishing teenagers against having sex. We want to be teaching them more about how to have healthy sex."

This has always been my view. You can talk about abstance all you want but it hasn't worked in 2000 years so why would it suddenly work now? Our age of consent laws, unlike laws in other places, acknowledge that. Or we can be like some places in the US and label sexually active teens 'sex offenders' and send them to jail for 25 years when we catch them. Like that's working.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Adelle

[Rue]

Boys usaly dont say that they are gay, thats why there might not be a problem with the age of consent. If someone said they were gay in my school they probably get there asses kicked.

Probably more due to the fact that when you look at the rates of sodomy at that age and they have, straights are more likely to engage in sodomy since young boys convince young girls if they sodomize them its o.k. because they remain virgins. The prohibition against sodomy applies to gays and straights.

From a practical point of view no I do not think you will have any butt police patrolling the streets looking for signs of anal penetration although they might want to start at any church.

Woops. Couldn't resist. Politicall inappropriate and mea culpa.

[Mr.Canada]

No he is following his homophobic friends, its all right to beat up on and even kill gays, what a nasty group we have here.

No one said "kill gays" give me a break. You are trying to say that it's not ok to disagree with the gay lifestyle and we must accept it or be labeled homophobes.

I'm not afraid of gays which is a phobia is I just think there lifestyle choice is immoral which is my right.

[Oleg Bach]

If they are born gay - so be it - converts are immoral.