New witness account shows Khadr charges should be dropped

[Rue]

American Woman, I like to think of myself as an extreme centerist someone smak dab in the middle of the eft and right of any political spectrum on most issues. Disgustingly Canadian in that regard. We Canadians are by nature moderates. We loath any extreme. Our Conservatve (right ) or Liberal (left) or NDP (labour left) will not abandon certain issues regardless of the other differences. Our right won't go too far right and our left to far left. Just not our style.

Now when it comes to the Kadr family, look I would bet most Canadians are pretty tolerant of new Canadians, immigrants, and people of many beliefs. But I believe the issue as tot he Kadr family transcends left or right and people of all political leanings, ethnic groups, etc., most of us are having a hard time with the concept this family should live in Canada and enjoy its benefits but spits on everything this country stands for.

It makes new Canadians nervous. It makes old Canadians nervous. Its a gut thing. We just can only be pushed so far with our moderate tendency to be inclusive but we have a limit and I really think this family has hit the limit and its angering many people from many vantage points.

I am someone who is the son of a refugee and whose grandparents depended on the good will of people from the Christian religion and many nationalities for me to be alive. I am here precisely because my families dreamed of a country like Canada where the police or government did not hunt down and kill Jews and we are treated like everyone else.

Many Canadians of different back-grounds have that same shared experience. We just can not agree with someone coming to this country and spitting on it and then insisting it protect them. Its just not right.

I have huge debates with some of the right wingers as to tolerance for new Canadians and assimilation issues but on this one, I think truly most of us are on the same page. You just can't build a country if its citizens come to the country to take advantage of its hospital system, democratic institutions, and demcoractic fundamental rights to serve as a cover for terror. Its bullshit.

Terrorists of any kind belong in jail and tried in an international court under an international treaty that all countries abide by.

You want to be in a family where your husband and children are terrorists please don't tell me you knew nothing of this, are innocent, and are entitled to welfare and medicare. You are entitled to nothing. Nothing but a prison cell. The wife of Kadr was a willing accomplice. She was no victim.

The children sure they may have been brainwashed since they were children but there is a limit to leniency and no we do not say because they are under the legal age if they engage in war and terror they walk.

Sorry but our approach to letting underage people walk from crimes domestically has caused huge social problems now trying to do that on an international level is no more helpful.

Terror is wrong. Period. There are no excuses and you can not be a citizen of Canada if you engage in it.

I think most of us believe this what-ever side we are on. I appreciate there must be a fair legal process. I do. I am a lawyer. I believe in the law . But I also believe terrorism can not be tolerated or excused.

So honestly AmericanWoman I just don't feel the Kadrs should have remained in Canada. I personally believe they should have been deported. Either that or all charged with treason.

The place to plea their innocence is in a criminal court until an international court is created.

This is a matter of crime-treason, then if determined to be guilty of a crime either jail or deportation or both.

I have zero sympathy or compassion for the Kadrs or anyone like them who comes to Canada to use it as a cover for terror.

Edited February 24, 2008 by Rue

[AngusThermopyle]

Neither have I. In fact I counsel seditious ideas to my infantryman son.

I guess we should give thanks that the son is smarter than the father then.

[Peter F]

I guess we should give thanks that the son is smarter than the father then.

As should we all. Oh for a world where the children are smarter than the parents.... I appreciate the sentiment but all credit belongs to the mother. It's kinda funny though because she is far more adamant about him not volounteering than I.

[Peter F]

Oh those Khadr's! Terrorists every one...except none of them are terrorists. Despite momma and pappa's urgings.

Even the most likely terrorist is allowed to resign from the CIA and go live where-ever he friggin wants.

[Guest American Woman]

Oh those Khadr's! Terrorists every one...except none of them are terrorists. Despite momma and pappa's urgings.

You do realize that momma that you speak of, the one you say urged the children to become terrorists, is living in Canada, right? And you have no problem with a parent who urges their children to become terrorists living there?

Rue, I agree with your sentiments and would feel the same way.

[Peter F]

You do realize that momma that you speak of, the one you say urged the children to become terrorists, is living in Canada, right? And you have no problem with a parent who urges their children to become terrorists living there?

Rue, I agree with your sentiments and would feel the same way.

Yes, American Woman, I do realize she is living in Canada. And you are correct; I have no problem with her being a Canadian and urging her children towards terrorism. When she commits a crime let me know.

[M.Dancer]

Yes, American Woman, I do realize she is living in Canada. And you are correct; I have no problem with her being a Canadian and urging her children towards terrorism. When she commits a crime let me know.

You realize that conspiracy and councelling another to commit a crime is a crime, or are you only lax when muslim terrorists do it?

[Guest American Woman]

Yes, American Woman, I do realize she is living in Canada. And you are correct; I have no problem with her being a Canadian and urging her children towards terrorism. When she commits a crime let me know.

Wow. Unbelievable.

You have hate laws in Canada. Inciting hatred and violence is against the law in your country. And yet you're ok with this? I can't help but wonder what your reaction would be if it were 'white' Canadian-born parents urging their children to violently take out minorities in Canada.

[Oleg Bach]

Wow. Unbelievable.

You have hate laws in Canada. Inciting hatred and violence is against the law in your country. And yet you're ok with this? I can't help but wonder what your reaction would be if it were 'white' Canadian-born parents urging their children to violently take out minorities in Canada.

Hey - my mother inlaw attempts to incite hate in my wife - against me for no good reason..the horney jealous old hag...someone should go and arrest her for her hate which is a crime..she caused a lot of damage over the years with her hate. All those that hate...whether they be terrorists - buisness associates - family or terrorists should be all charged and locked up till they come to their senses..if they want to hate - let them hate through the bars.

[Peter F]

You realize that conspiracy and councelling another to commit a crime is a crime, or are you only lax when muslim terrorists do it?

Me? Lax? Is she in jail? We do have laws against such things? Whens the trial?

[Peter F]

Wow. Unbelievable.

You have hate laws in Canada. Inciting hatred and violence is against the law in your country. And yet you're ok with this? I can't help but wonder what your reaction would be if it were 'white' Canadian-born parents urging their children to violently take out minorities in Canada.

Did she hold a lecture series? Published material stating her views?

Somebody please come up with a crime...

[Dog]

I am surprised no one has commented on the CBS video that aired on Sunday showing Khadr making bombs and planting them .

For those of you that missed it check it out.

http://flaggman.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/k...-on-60-minutes/

I hope they fry the bastard but my guess is they will just give him life.

[M.Dancer]

Me? Lax? Is she in jail? We do have laws against such things? Whens the trial?

Yes we do have laws against couselling to commit a crime...which in your own words you are okay with.

[Peter F]

Yes we do have laws against couselling to commit a crime...which in your own words you are okay with.

When was she charged for this crime?

[AngusThermopyle]

Did she hold a lecture series? Published material stating her views?

Somebody please come up with a crime...

Actually she did a TV interview where she stated her belief that Homosexuals should be executed and talked about how she encouraged her children to become suicide bombers. Is that public or "published" enough for you?

[Peter F]

Actually she did a TV interview where she stated her belief that Homosexuals should be executed and talked about how she encouraged her children to become suicide bombers. Is that public or "published" enough for you?

Well, since none of her children became suicide bombers, I'd say she did a pretty piss-poor job of encouraging her children to become suicide bombers. Since she did not actually get on the local community TV channel and broadcast encouragement of children to become suicide bombers I'd say she has not committed any crime. Other than a 'thought' crime...wich really isn't a crime.

Perhaps she should be fined though. Then again, since nobody in authority has actuallly charged her with anything or arrested her for anything (and we do have Security Certificates in this country) I'd say She may be a nut, but she's no criminal.

Still looking for a crime here.

[M.Dancer]

Well, since none of her children became suicide bombers, I'd say she did a pretty piss-poor job of encouraging her children to become suicide bombers. Since she did not actually get on the local community TV channel and broadcast encouragement of children to become suicide bombers I'd say she has not committed any crime. Other than a 'thought' crime...wich really isn't a crime.

Perhaps she should be fined though. Then again, since nobody in authority has actuallly charged her with anything or arrested her for anything (and we do have Security Certificates in this country) I'd say She may be a nut, but she's no criminal.

Still looking for a crime here.

So in your mind, conspracy and counselling to commit a crime is only a crime if someone acts upon it.

I hope you understand that the law doesn't work that way.

[AngusThermopyle]

Well, since none of her children became suicide bombers, I'd say she did a pretty piss-poor job of encouraging her children to become suicide bombers. Since she did not actually get on the local community TV channel and broadcast encouragement of children to become suicide bombers I'd say she has not committed any crime. Other than a 'thought' crime...wich really isn't a crime.

Very flexible when it comes to the Khadr's aren't you. No, she wasn't on local community TV, she was on Nation wide broadcast. So none of her children became bombers, does that negate her attempts to make them so, her advocacy for such things. Not to mention her hate mongering against homosexuals. It appears you are quite hypocritical when it comes to such matters and are willing to make any number of specious arguments in order to defend these people.

[Peter F]

Very flexible when it comes to the Khadr's aren't you. No, she wasn't on local community TV, she was on Nation wide broadcast. So none of her children became bombers, does that negate her attempts to make them so, her advocacy for such things. Not to mention her hate mongering against homosexuals. It appears you are quite hypocritical when it comes to such matters and are willing to make any number of specious arguments in order to defend these people.

Well, lets see...She aint no terrorist or she'd be in jail. She hasn't publicly advocated overthrowing the State or she'd be in jail. In fact, the only thing she has done is encouraged her children to become suicide bombers...dispicable and reprehensable? Certainly. Criminal? No.

Perhaps she could be fined for hate under the Human Rights act? Maybe, and then again maybe not.

It's not a crime to be an idiot, in this country anyways. Even with the freak Conservatives and Liberals making the laws and appointing all the judges.

[Guest American Woman]

In fact, the only thing she has done is encouraged her children to become suicide bombers...dispicable and reprehensable? Certainly.

The "only" thing she's done is encourage her children to murder the citizens of the very nation she's living in. And you're ok with her living in your country?

Criminal? No.

Perhaps she could be fined for hate under the Human Rights act? Maybe, and then again maybe not.

Why not? Let's hear your defense. For the life of me, I can't understand how this wouldn't violate Canada's hate laws.

If someone were to try to hire a hit man, but no one would take on the job, would that make the person trying to hire the hit man innocent? Seems to me the very act of trying to hire a hit man is illegal.

It's not a crime to be an idiot, in this country anyways. Even with the freak Conservatives and Liberals making the laws and appointing all the judges.

So you believe encouraging your children to murder innocent civilians is nothing more than being an "idoiot." Interesting take.

[marcinmoka]

When was she charged for this crime?

Patience is a virtue!

Luckily our laws adapt to the situations they face.

[jbg]

Actually she did a TV interview where she stated her belief that Homosexuals should be executed and talked about how she encouraged her children to become suicide bombers. Is that public or "published" enough for you?

The Liberals must love that.The Left seems to like anything that's harmful to society, whether or not it otherwise comports with "progressive" views.

Edited March 5, 2008 by jbg

[Peter F]

The "only" thing she's done is encourage her children to murder the citizens of the very nation she's living in. And you're ok with her living in your country?

Yes I am ok with her living in my country. I'm Ok with Paul Bernardo living in this country too. In fact oue prisons are full of Canadian citizens. This country is loaded with vile citizens. Khadr's mom is just one more. Now that I think of it, so is the USofA, perhaps you should

consider why you're ok with that before shitting on me for accepting that scumbags and morons actually hold Canadian Citizenship.

Why not? Let's hear your defense. For the life of me, I can't understand how this wouldn't violate Canada's hate laws.

There is no requirement for you to understand Canadian laws. Perhaps the various Attorney Generals and the boffins at the Department of Justice do understand Canada's hate laws and so she has not been charged under them.

My father encouraged his children with talk and deed to take action against corporations, sometimes violent destructive action. People in this country can say whatever they fucking like in the privacy of thier own homes - even to the point of advocating the violent overthrow of the government if they so wish. They just can't publish broadcast or teach such things. Khadr's mom hasn't done that - so no crime to kick her out of the country for. Gnash your teeth all you want.

If someone were to try to hire a hit man, but no one would take on the job, would that make the person trying to hire the hit man innocent? Seems to me the very act of trying to hire a hit man is illegal.

All very true. But she wasn't attempting to procure a hit man. Never did.

So you believe encouraging your children to murder innocent civilians is nothing more than being an "idoiot." Interesting take.

How about if I encourage them to be willing to die for a cause? or to be willing to kill for a cause? would that still be interesting too?

[Peter F]

So in your mind, conspracy and counselling to commit a crime is only a crime if someone acts upon it.

I hope you understand that the law doesn't work that way.

Appaently, in this case, you are mistaken. Mrs. Khadr is as free as I am.

[kuzadd]

Actually she did a TV interview where she stated her belief that Homosexuals should be executed and talked about how she encouraged her children to become suicide bombers. Is that public or "published" enough for you?

So I am wondering, what is the issue here, with some stupid statements from a woman who is simply filled with religion and religious beliefs?

In the bible. a book published and distributed widely there are numerus exaltations to committ all sorts of attrocities.

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Shall we stop publishing the bible , or reading from it or preaching from it?

Just think of how widely published the "good book" is?

I bet more people have read this book or excerpts from it, then have ever heard Mrs Khadr's interviews.

Edited March 5, 2008 by kuzadd