Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[g_bambino]

That is because you fail to understand what constituents racial discrimination.

No, it's you who misunderstands race. The only thing common amongst the English speaking people of Canada is that they speak English. That does not make them a race. Just as the French speaking people of Canada are not together a race.

Bilingualism is official in all federal institutions.

Yes, I just pointed that out to you.

The official languages policy was never debated in parliament and was implemented by a Royal Commission of Inquiry on Bilingualism and Biculturalism’s recommendations...

Oh, lord! Now you show that you've no idea how laws are created.

And where exactly do Francophones learn English in officially uni-lingual French Quebec?

School. Where do you think they learn English to all together become the bilingual force you say they are?

[Leafless]

Interesting... I just realized that your "English-only allowed" reminds me of a practice called internal passports. People could only live in certain parts of their country... STALIN'S USSR was one of the first countries to perfect

Does Quebec still bribe Quebecers with money to have Quebec babies?

[Leafless]

Only problem (for you) is that it has been demonstrated (to those who have a clue) that the so-called "discrimination" only exists in your prejudiced mind.

Racial discrimination exist, commie.

Clueless again. With the exception of New Brunswick (at it's own request), provincial governments are NOT compelled to provide services in French.

Provincial governments are compelled to provide services courtesy of the French Language Services Act or Official Languages.

Federal services are provided in English in quebec on the same basis as they are provided in French in the rest of the country. Mind you, if you have proof that federal services in Quebec are provided in English only when the English-speaking population is the local majority, give it to the BQ. They have been arguing for years for it to happen.

Who is talking about federal services?

I am talking about the absence of any kind of municiple bilingual policy anywhere in Quebec.

In school.

Core English in Quebec does not make anyone fluently bilingual and is not designed to accomplish this.

And I though Francophones in this country learned english naturally.

The ones lucky enough to influenced by demographics/work/friends and participate in various activities in English Canada do.

[Leafless]

Why don't YOU post where it says officially that Canada is only one national language, English?

Why?

You are the one that made the statement there are two national languages in Canada.

Besides any idiot would know with the English language/culture being the de facto language/culture in Canada, would automatically know that it is the national language/culture of Canada.

[Leafless]

No, it's you who misunderstands race. The only thing common amongst the English speaking people of Canada is that they speak English. That does not make them a race. Just as the French speaking people of Canada are not together a race.

What can I say.

I gave you the dictionary definition of 'race' and the U.N. definition of racism and you still bounce back with nothing but personal opinion.

Yes, I just pointed that out to you.

Not entirely.

And if numbers warrant there is nothing stopping the application of federal bilingualism in a federal department anywhere in the country.

Oh, lord! Now you show that you've no idea how laws are created.

So lets get this straight. The Royal Commission of Inquiry on Bilingualism and Biculturalism’s recommendations had nothing to do with the creation of the 'Official Languages Policy'?

I suggest you stop playing semantics.

School. Where do you think they learn English to all together become the bilingual force you say they are?

I already previously told you.

Just stop and think Quebec's French Charter which outlaws an English education to just about everyone.

Core English in Quebec,as a second language, does not make anyone fluently bilingual.

[g_bambino]

I gave you the dictionary definition of 'race' and the U.N. definition of racism and you still bounce back with nothing but personal opinion.

You gave the dictionary definition of "race" and then misapplied it to your opinion.

if numbers warrant there is nothing stopping the application of federal bilingualism in a federal department anywhere in the country.

Yes, I know; as I said, I already pointed this out when I referred to the words of the Official Languages Act.

The Royal Commission of Inquiry on Bilingualism and Biculturalism’s recommendations had nothing to do with the creation of the 'Official Languages Policy'?

You said the official languages policies were never debated in parliament and instead imposed by a royal commission.

Core English in Quebec,as a second language, does not make anyone fluently bilingual.

Ah, right, Francophones don't need to learn English anywhere because they're "naturally" bilingual.

[CANADIEN]

Racial discrimination exist, commie.

Racial discrimination does exists. But equality of linguistic rights is not a discrimination, as you are too clueless to know, KKK wannabe.

Provincial governments are compelled to provide services courtesy of the French Language Services Act or Official Languages.

I didn't know the the French Languages Service Act (which as you should know was adopted UNANYMOUSLY by the Ontario Legislative Assembly) applied outside of Ontario.

More seriously, feel free to show the section of the Official Languages Act (federal) that addresses delivery of services by provincial governments.

And btw, how do policies such as Ontario's Regulation 17 that BANNED French from public schools for a full generation fit with your claim that Englishwas never imposed? I'll keep asking until you answer.

Edited October 23, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Why?

You are the one that made the statement there are two national languages in Canada.

Yes. And I have never said there was any official definition of national languages in Canada. You want one, find it and provide it.

Besides any idiot would know with the English language/culture being the de facto language/culture in Canada, would automatically know that it is the national language/culture of Canada.

Indeed, any idiot would "know" that. Thanks for removing any doubt people may have had about you.

[CANADIEN]

You said the official languages policies were never debated in parliament and instead imposed by a royal commission.

You communist-Nazi-Fascit-racist you. How do you DARE remind Leafless of what he actually said?

[jbg]

Does Quebec still bribe Quebecers with money to have Quebec babies?

Yes with Alberta's money.

[Leafless]

I am still waiting for you to justify past provincial government practices that banned French from public schools.

You mean like Quebec still does with English speaking immigrants.

[Leafless]

Racial discrimination does exists. But equality of linguistic rights is not a discrimination, as you are too clueless to know, KKK wannabe.

Equality is only a word. It is the Nazi language policy that is racist.

I didn't know the the French Languages Service Act (which as you should know was adopted UNANYMOUSLY by the Ontario Legislative Assembly) applied outside of Ontario.

And I wonder why?

Hint:

In addition to the symbolic designation of English and French as official languages, official bilingualism is generally understood to include any law or other measure which:

1.-mandates that the federal government conduct its business in both official languages and provide government services in both languages;

2.-encourages or mandates lower tiers of government (most notably the provinces and territories, but also some municipalities) to conduct themselves in both official languages and to provide services in both English and French rather than in just one or the other;

3.-places obligations on private actors in Canadian society to provide access to goods or services in both official languages (such as the requirement that food products be labeled in both English and French);

4.-provides support to non-government actors to encourage or promote the use or the status of one or the other of the two official languages. This includes grants and contributions to groups representing the English-speaking minority in Quebec and the French-speaking minorities in the other provinces to assist with the establishment of an infrastructure of cultural supports and services.

More seriously, feel free to show the section of the Official Languages Act (federal) that addresses delivery of services by provincial governments.

See above.

And btw, how do policies such as Ontario's Regulation 17 that BANNED French from public schools for a full generation fit with your claim that Englishwas never imposed? I'll keep asking until you answer.

Provincial governments had that right.

Education WAS a provincial right.

[Leafless]

Indeed, any idiot would "know" that. Thanks for removing any doubt people may have had about you.

Ha-ha-ha.

I suppose I would be disillusioned also if I knew that the English language was only a regional language in Canada and confined to a single province.

[g_bambino]

Education WAS a provincial right.

And still is.

[g_bambino]

I suppose I would be disillusioned also if I knew that the English language was only a regional language in Canada and confined to a single province.

Technically, English is a regional language in Canada: there are regions in this country where its predominantly spoken and regions where it isn't. I can't think of a language in Canada that's legally confined to only one province, though.

[CANADIEN]

You mean like Quebec still does with English speaking immigrants.

Mark the day, you got something right.

Provincial governments had that right.

Education WAS a provincial right.

Oops, I spoke too fast. Forgot that the rare occurances of your getting something right are immediately followed by a statement that proves how clueless you really are. Well... education is STILL a provincial responsibility.

BTW, nice deflection with the "provincial governments had the right to do it bit". After all, the Quebec government too has the right to do what it curretly does (barring immigrants from English schools). The real question that you keep dodging is: how the existence (which you won't even deny) of such policies fit with your claim that English was never imposed?

Edited October 26, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Equality is only a word.

so is the word Nazi that you keep misusing. But thanks for confirming that you do not believe in equal rights.

See above.

I saw above, and, no surprise, didn't see the actual ACT. No surprise that, as usual, you didn't bother going to the source. I did, which is why I know that, apart from some pretty vague statements about "helping" and "encouring" provincial governments that choose to offer services in both English and French, there is not a SINGLE line of the Act that mandates delivery of services in English or French by provincial governments or municipalities. Feel free to try to PROVE otherwise by quoting the ACTUAL textof the act

Edited October 26, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Ha-ha-ha.

I suppose I would be disillusioned also if I knew that the English language was only a regional language in Canada and confined to a single province.

Indeed, if I knew that English is a regional language, I would be disillusioned. The problem (yours in fact), is that anyone who has a clue understand that neither English nor French is a regional language in this country.

[jbg]

so is the word Nazi that you keep misusing. But thanks for confirming that you do not believe in equal rights.

I agree.

As odious and bigoted as I find Quebec's language policies, the Quebecois are not hooligans running around brutalizing and killing people, running deadly experiments on them, or gassing them.

English-speaking Quebeckers are leaving, not dieing. I think it's wrong that the ROC has to subsidize self-inflicted economic suicide begotten by bigotry. But it's not a Nazi policy. I don't like the trivialization of that term.

[g_bambino]

[A]nyone who has a clue understand that neither English nor French is a regional language in this country.

Not by law they aren't. But it would seem they are in usage.

[g_bambino]

I don't like the trivialization of that term.

Ah, but it's Leafless; so, the term's only being trivialised by a trivial person.

[CANADIEN]

Not by law they aren't. But it would seem they are in usage.

I would beg to differ. Both languages are in use in most of this great country of ours, and most importantly they are part of our national fabric.

[g_bambino]

I would beg to differ. Both languages are in use in most of this great country of ours, and most importantly they are part of our national fabric.

Of course they are, but the population isn't monolithically bilingual; in some regions English dominates, while in others it's French that's more commonly used. I would argue that makes both languages regional in their use; that would seem to be the case in any multilingual country.

[sp]

Edited October 27, 2010 by g_bambino

[CANADIEN]

Of course they are, but the population isn't monolithically bilingual; in some regions English dominates, while in others it's French that's more commonly used. I would argue that makes both languages regional in their use; that would seem to be the case in any multilingual country.

[sp]

There is not enough of a bilingual population to call it monolithic anywhere *g*. It could be ndeed argued that the use of both French and English is to a large extent regional - that being said, their use exist in many (most) regions of the country, which makes them national.

[Leafless]

Oops, I spoke too fast. Forgot that the rare occurances of your getting something right are immediately followed by a statement that proves how clueless you really are. Well... education is STILL a provincial responsibility.

WRONG:

Excerpt from the THE CANADA HEALTH AND SOCIAL TRANSFER:

OPERATION AND POSSIBLE REPERCUSSIONS

ON THE HEALTH CARE SECTOR

"Federal and provincial responsibilities for health care, post-secondary education and public assistance are quite different. Under Canada’s Constitution, the three areas of health care, education and social programs are primarily matters of provincial jurisdiction, and the provinces are responsible for their delivery. By invoking its constitutional “spending power,” the federal government has intervened in those areas, leading to the making of federal transfer payments to the provinces. The transfers make it possible to redress the constitutional imbalance between provincial taxing powers, which are more limited than those of the federal government, and provincial responsibilities, which are often onerous. Federal transfers also improve fairness between the provinces in terms of the level of services offered to the public.

The federal government has long participated in the financing of provincial programs for health care, post-secondary education and public assistance. "

Excerpt from Wikipedia Section Twenty-three of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

"Section Twenty-three of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is the section of the Charter that constitutionally guarantees minority language <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_language> educational <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Canada> rights to French <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language>-speaking communities outside Quebec <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec>, and, to a lesser extent, English <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language>-speaking minorities in Quebec. The section may be particularly notable, in that some scholars believe that section 23 "was the only part of the Charter with which Pierre Trudeau <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau> was truly concerned."[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_Twenty-three_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms> Trudeau was the prime minister <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister_of_Canada> who fought for the inclusion of the Charter of Rights in the Constitution of Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Canada> in 1982."

This proves relating to education in Canada from the time of the Charter and federal transfer payments, education is also a federal responsibility.

BTW, nice deflection with the "provincial governments had the right to do it bit". After all, the Quebec government too has the right to do what it curretly does (barring immigrants from English schools).

And there are other restrictions compared to what English Canada offers relating to access to schools.

And I don't think English Canada is trying to destroy the English language like they are in Quebec.

In all fairness Quebec should no longer even be part of confederation relating to Quebec not signing the Constitution Act of 1982 nor not even signing the amendment section which makes the Charter in the minds of many Canadians illegal and unconstitutional.

The real question that you keep dodging is: how the existence (which you won't even deny) of such policies fit with your claim that English was never imposed?

You mean much less imposed than the federal Nazi type language policies.