Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[g_bambino]

If what you say is factual, then why the need for Trudeau's racist language policies?

The question presumes that language and race are connected and that Trudeau introduced policies favouring one race over another.

There are only 17% of all Canadians that are bilingual and most of those are French Canadians who are naturally bilingual.

Bilingualism is a natural genetic trait? Perhaps this is why you think race and language are inseperable.

[Leafless]

It is already a known fact that nobody and no law in Ontario or at the federal level is lmiting your choice to use either English or French. Hence, both languages are free-flowing. YOU are in favour of laws that would limit what languages citizens can use and when and how they can use it.

Ever hear of the 'French Language Services Act'combined with corrupt charter rights that does have the political power and does, to incorporate racist language laws. This was already explored and posted earlier in this thread.

Thanks for admitting that policies and practices that recognized an OFFICIAL status to French prior to Confederation were not racist. Of course, no body used to your writings will expect you to ever get a clue on the fact this undermines your claim that similar policies are racist today.

Official languages---at least the French portion can be considered racist as it is a regional and not a national language and was artificially imposed.

And from what alternate universe does that Charter come form?

Not universe but rather from a dictator who believed in Stalinism.

Just tell me when you actually find some parts of the Charter that are racist.

The entire charter is corrupt, discriminatory and racist.

We never did need the charter nor did Canadians ever express the requirement for such a charter.

We always did have ample laws under our English Common Law system of criminal and civil law.

[Leafless]

Typical Leafless. In one posting, official status in all province is needed as proof that a language is a national language. In the next posting, it is sufficient that you deem it to be the de facto language. Love the contradiction.

It is not a contradiction.

In a normal country where immigrants assimilate and integrate, no language policy is necessary to protect the de facto national language, in this case the English language.

But Canada is not your normal country that possesses discriminating, racist laws backed by a corrupt imposed charter.

In a country like Canada we need laws to ensure the English culture and it's inherited British laws language is paramount.

Many states in the U.S. have 'official English' laws to protect the English culture against the influence of foreign languages that could cause confusion and undermine the English language and it's culture.

BTW, I .and over 22% of Canadians prove every day that English is not the de facto language of all of Canada.

Minus the English/immigrant component in Quebec brings that percentage down to 17-18%.

Must I remind you again French in Canada is a regional language and not a national language.

[Leafless]

(warning... I am clearly mocking Leafless' claim, and he will probably not get it)

Are you sure? After all, the BNA CLEARLY gave equal status to the english and french languages in the federal parliament and Courts. The Official Languages Act, the Constitutional Act of 1982 and policies that stem from them are nothing more (or less) than the logical extension of this into other aspects of the federal government`s activities and role.

So, either the clauses in the BNA about the status of English and French were not racist, which prooves that all your rambling about "racist policies" is non-sense, or there were racist dispositions in the BNA in regard to languages. In either case, you are (as usual) wrong.

The British gave certain rights to Quebec to be used in Quebec.

The minimal language rights you describe really have nothing to do with bilingualism as such, nor the charter that certainly was not imposed by the British.

[guyser]

Still stuck on stupid are you?

This...

... no language policy is necessary to protect the de facto national language, in this case the English language.

...followed by this.....

In a country like Canada we need laws to ensure the English culture and it's inherited British laws language is paramount.

Thanks Buttercup, always good for a laugh.

Edited October 18, 2010 by guyser

[Leafless]

The question presumes that language and race are connected and that Trudeau introduced policies favouring one race over another.

Do you believe in Stalinism or Nazism or totalitarianism?

Answer: I think you do.

Bilingualism is a natural genetic trait? Perhaps this is why you think race and language are inseperable.

I said 'naturally bilingual' meaning Francophones were not forced to learn the English language by any type of racist language policy and learned it on their own accord.

[Leafless]

Thanks Buttercup, always good for a laugh.

Trudeau did not forget you either, gay boy.

[g_bambino]

Do you believe in Stalinism or Nazism or totalitarianism?

Answer: I think you do.

Irrelevant to my assertion about the inherent presumptions in your question.

I said 'naturally bilingual' meaning Francophones were not forced to learn the English language by any type of racist language policy and learned it on their own accord.

That's not what "naturally" means. But, regardless, you're right that Francophones are not forced by racist language policies to learn English. Nobody in Canada is forced to learn a language as per a racist law.

[sp]

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[Leafless]

Irrelevant to my assertion about the inherent presumptions in your question.

It is not irrelevant.

The fact is, you support imposed racist language policies.

That's not what "naturally" means. But, regardless, you're right that Francophones are not forced by racist language policies to learn English. Nobody in Canada is forced to learn a language as per a racist law.

Naturally= (1)" As might be expected"- WordWeb

English speaking Canadians are forced to learn French via (again) racist language policies to compete for (bilingual) jobs, altered from English only, by racist language policies in their own de facto English cities and provinces including federal, provincial and municiple governments and Quebec which practice institutional racism against English speaking Canadians.

[guyser]

Naturally= (1)" As might be expected"- WordWeb

English speaking Canadians are forced to learn French via (again) racist language policies to compete for (bilingual) jobs, altered from English only, by racist language policies in their own de facto English cities and provinces including federal, provincial and municiple governments and Quebec which practice institutional racism against English speaking Canadians.

Tell ya what, learn one of our languages and come back to edumicate us.

PS, you're right, Trudeau did not forget me, problem is it was Margaret who didnt, not Pierre.

Edited October 20, 2010 by guyser

[g_bambino]

The fact is, you support imposed racist language policies.

The fact is that, no, I don't support racist language policies. There are none that exist to even be supported.

English speaking Canadians are forced to learn French via (again) racist language policies to compete for (bilingual) jobs, altered from English only, by racist language policies in their own de facto English cities and provinces including federal, provincial and municiple governments and Quebec which practice institutional racism against English speaking Canadians.

Again, there are no racist language policies. People who speak English do not constitute a race.

Even if what you mean beneath the faux-outrage hyperbole is that there exist language policies discriminatory towards English speakers or that changed English-speaking offices into bilingual ones, that isn't even the case: the Official Languages Act specifies that bilingualism is only required of Crown employees in the National Capital Region, at ministry or Crown corporation head offices, or in federal Crown offices in communities where there's a significant demand for whichever of the two official languages that isn't the one predominantly spoken in the area. Francophones must learn English to apply for such jobs just as much as Anglophones must learn French to obtain the same position. Francophones aren't "naturally" bilingual.

[CANADIEN]

Ever hear of the 'French Language Services Act'

Yep. I am the one who first mentioned it when you were denying the existance of laws or policies regarding languages in Ontario... remember? (likely not)

(...) combined with corrupt charter rights that does have the political power and does, to incorporate racist language laws. This was already explored and posted earlier in this thread.

Correction. That delusion of yours has already be debunked. Not that anyone expects you to ever get that.

Official languages---at least the French portion can be considered racist as it is a regional and not a national language and was artificially imposed.

As was already demonstrated, French is a regional language in Gavelbourg, St-Boniface, Hearst, Vanier, Maskinongé, Tracadie, Chéticamps, Port-au-Port among others. Regional in so many places it is in fact national.

The entire charter is corrupt, discriminatory and racist.

To you, not to people with a clue.

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[CANADIEN]

It is not a contradiction.

Except to those who have a clue.

In a normal country where immigrants assimilate and integrate, no language policy is necessary to protect the de facto national language, in this case the English language.

The facts that French-Canadians are not immigrants and their language is a national aside, how do you explain that most provinces outside Quebec had at one point or another in their history language POLICIES forbidding the teaching of French, a Canadian language?

How do you explain that Native children were taken by force from their families and beaten if they dared speak their own Canadian languages?

After all, according to you, such measures were not necessary.

But Canada is not your normal country that possesses discriminating, racist laws backed by a corrupt imposed charter.

Mind writing in ENGLISH once in a while?

Must I remind you again French in Canada is a regional language and not a national language.

Of course, since French IS one of our two national languages.

Edited October 21, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

The British gave certain rights to Quebec to be used in Quebec.

Wrong (as is a tradition with you). The BNA clauses on equal status in federal instutitons says it all.... Federal institutions.

The minimal language rights you describe really have nothing to do with bilingualism as such (...)

Clauses regarding languages in the BNA have to dowith equal status for English and French, as does official bilingualism.

nor the charter that certainly was not imposed by the British.

Ever heard of the Canada Act, 1982, passed by the Birtish Parliament in 1982? text here

Please feel free to read as we marvel again as how clueless you are. You'll notice, by the way, that the act was passed in both English AND French (the first Act passed in French by the British Parliament since the Middle Ages).

Edited October 21, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

I said 'naturally bilingual' meaning Francophones were not forced to learn the English language by any type of racist language policy and learned it on their own accord.

Clueless again.

French-speaking Canadians who wants to work in the federal public service are subjected to the same language requirements as English-speaking Canadians. English as a second language is taught in French-language schools (actually, more than French as a seconf language in English language school). By YOUR definition, French-speaking Canadians are being forced to learn English through racist language policy. Don't worry, those who have a clue know better.

BTW, care to try to explain how the fact that various Canadian provinces have had throughout their histry policies banning French from schools fit with your claim that Francophones were never forced to learn English? You keep dodging that one, so I'll keep asking.

[CANADIEN]

Do you believe in Stalinism or Nazism or totalitarianism?

Answer: I think you do.

Interesting... I just realized that your "English-only allowed" reminds me of a practice called internal passports. People could only live in certain parts of their country... STALIN'S USSR was one of the first countries to perfect it.

[Leafless]

The fact is that, no, I don't support racist language policies. There are none that exist to even be supported.

That is because you fail to understand what constituents racial discrimination.

Again, there are no racist language policies. People who speak English do not constitute a race.

English speaking Canadians do constitute a race in the same manner French Canadians do.

Definition of 'race' from Google Dictionary:

race Noun <http://www.gstatic.com/dictionary/static/sounds/de/0/race.mp3> <http://www.gstatic.com/dictionary/static/sounds/de/0/race.mp3>

races plural

Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics

people of all races, colors, and creeds

A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group

we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then

The fact or condition of belonging to such a division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this

people of mixed race

A group or set of people or things with a common feature or features

some male firefighters still regarded women as a race apart

A population within a species that is distinct in some way, esp. a subspecies

people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct

(in nontechnical use) Each of the major divisions of living creatures

a member of the human race

the race of birds

A group of people descended from a common ancestor

a prince of the race of Solomon

Ancestry

two coursers of ethereal race

According to the United Nations <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations> conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group> discrimination.

Legal:

"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)>, colour, descent <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent>, or national or ethnic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity> origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights> and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

So in other words 'bilingual policies' in Canada, whether federal, provincial or municiple bilingual policies, racially discriminate on the basis that bilingual policies restrict and reduce the importance and impair the recognition of the freely established national English culture/language. Bilingual policies do this by FORCING English speakers to learn an inferior regional Quebec French language in order to gain employment under jobs designated bilingual (English/French) in federal, provincial, municiple and private job markets especially in Ontario, Canada's largest 'de facto' English speaking province.

Even if what you mean beneath the faux-outrage hyperbole is that there exist language policies discriminatory towards English speakers or that changed English-speaking offices into bilingual ones, that isn't even the case: the Official Languages Act specifies that bilingualism is only required of Crown employees in the National Capital Region, at ministry or Crown corporation head offices, or in federal Crown offices in communities where there's a significant demand for whichever of the two official languages that isn't the one predominantly spoken in the area.

Bilingualism is official in all federal institutions.

(a) the Senate,

( the House of Commons,

© the Library of Parliament,

(c.1) the office of the Senate Ethics Officer and the office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner,

(d) any federal court,

(e) any board, commission or council, or other body or office, established to perform a governmental function by or pursuant to an Act of Parliament or by or under the authority of the Governor in Council,

(f) a department of the Government of Canada,

(g) a Crown corporation established by or pursuant to an Act of Parliament, and

(h) any other body that is specified by an Act of Parliament to be an agent of Her Majesty in right of Canada or to be subject to the direction of the Governor in Council or a minister of the Crown

Your definiton of significant is not the same as mine which in this case means SMALL.

On a federal level this provides a legal definition for the otherwise vague requirement that services be provided in the minority official languages wherever there is "significant demand." The definition used in the regulations is complex, but basically an area of the country is served in both languages if at least 5,000 persons in that area, or 5% of the local population (whichever is smaller), belongs to that province's English or French linguistic minority population.[19] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_bilingualism_in_Canada>

The French Language Services Act in Ontario for instance designates 25 areas of the province where provincial ministries and agencies are required to provide local French-language services to the public. An area is designated as a French service area if the francophone population is greater than 5,000 people or 10 per cent of the community's total population. Ten percent in my book does not warrant any type of preferential provincial linguistic treatment, nor does approx. 17% regional Francophone population, as in the case of Quebec itself. require any type of federal linguistic preference as again the percentage is small.

See also Language Regimes in the Province and Territitories, for other provinces that are compelled to provide French services relating to Official Languages and the French Languages Services Act. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0638-e.htm

This is unlike uni-lingual officially French Quebec where 50% of the population must be English speaking for any kind of a bilingual policy to be implemented. This explains why there is not a single bilingual policy in the entire province of Quebec. Nor is there any type of English immersion program in Quebec.

'Official languages' is the brainchild of Pierre Trudeau and his communist/socialistic/ totalitarian inspired 'just society' and is a corrupt document in itself. The official languages policy was never debated in parliament and was implemented by a Royal Commission of Inquiry on Bilingualism and Biculturalism’s recommendations, also known as a liberal Quebec French Trudeau inquiry--how convenient.

Biculturalism was scrapped in favour of 'Official Multiculturalism'.

Remember Pierre Trudeau's quote:

"There is no way two ethnic groups in one country can be made equal

before the law....and to say it is possible is to sow the seeds of

destruction".

Pierre Trudeau, 1966.

Yet he went ahead and did it.

Trudeau accomplishments:

Official Languages Act

Official bilingualism

Multiculturalism

Mass non-White Third World immigration

Socialized a once free economy

Ran up hundreds of billions in debt

Decimated the military

Poisoned relations with the US

Undermined democracy with the Charter

Coddled criminals

Abetted Quebec separatists with relentless centralization

Made us an international laughingstock

The 'Official Languages policy' basically serves ONLY the regional French language, as the dominant National English culture/ language never required any federal official status.

There is more to the 'Official Languages Act':

Excerpt: from Official Languages in Canada: Federal Policy

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0844-e.htm

On 12 March 2003, after two years of consultations, the Minister announced the Action Plan for Official Languages (Action Plan), which revolved around three major axes: education, community development and the federal public service. Additional funding was announced for:

minority-language education;

second language learning;

language industries;

early childhood assistance;

health;

justice;

immigration;

economic development;

strengthened partnership with the provinces and territories;

assistance for community life; and

strengthening bilingualism at all levels of the federal public service.

The Accountability and Coordination Framework, the main pillar of the Action Plan, made official languages a priority for the government and for public servants. It clarified the responsibilities of departments and agencies, and aimed to enhance coordination among the organizations involved. In financial terms, the federal government committed itself to investing $751.4 million over five years to support the implementation of the Action Plan.

Additional funds were added to the Action Plan between 2005 and 2007: an enabling fund for human resources development and community economic development ($36 million), further investments in health ($10.6 million) and funds to reduce waiting lists for language training ($12 million).

On 3 December 2007, the Prime Minister of Canada assigned Bernard Lord the task of presiding over consultations with the aim of elaborating a strategy for the next phase of the Action Plan. In a consultation report published in February 2008, Mr. Lord set out 14 recommendations concerning the renewal of the commitment of the Government of Canada to official languages. He proposed that investments be made in the following sectors:

education (minority-language, second language and postsecondary);

immigration;

health;

arts and culture;

promotion of linguistic duality;

language industries;

services in the minority language;

communications and community media; and

collaboration with the provinces and territories.

In June 2008, the Minister of Canadian Heritage unveiled the Roadmap for Canada’s Linguistic Duality (Roadmap). The Roadmap provides for additional investments totalling $1.1 billion over five years, divided among 16 federal departments and agencies.

It identifies five “priority sectors,” which are:

health;

justice;

immigration;

economic development; and

arts and culture.

* Source 'Official Languages in Canada 'Federal Policy' - publication number 08-44E

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0844-e.htm

Francophones must learn English to apply for such jobs just as much as Anglophones must learn French to obtain the same position.

And where exactly do Francophones learn English in officially uni-lingual French Quebec? This is unless of couse they are directly exposed to English speaking society as is described below.

Ther are no English immersion courses in Quebec.

Francophones aren't "naturally" bilingual.

Here is an excerpt taken from 'A Chat with David Crystal'

Prof. Crystal is the acclaimed author of over 40 books on languages and the English language, including Language Death <http://amazon.com/o/asin/0521653215/ws00-20>, English as a Global Language <http://amazon.com/o/asin/052159247X/ws00-20>, and The Cambridge Encyclopedia of the English language <http://amazon.com/o/asin/0521596556/ws00-20>. He is honorary professor of linguistics at the University of Wales, Bangor. More ... <http://wordsmith.org/chat/dc-bio.html>

"David Crystal (Guest Speaker)

I know there is a confrontation on this one in the US, probably because the rate of change has been so rapid this century. But there isn't any need for confrontation. Three-quarters of the world's population are naturally bilingual. "

http://wordsmith.org/chat/dc.html

The phrase 'naturally bilingual' is not exactly unheard of.

Francophones that obtain bilingual federal government positions or other bilingual jobs are mostly from Ottawa, Ontario and area and Western Quebec, namely the Outaouais with a population of 347,214. They are naturally bilingual to the demographics of the region (country) with easy access to English jobs especially in Ottawa, Ontario, in federal, provincial, municiple and private employers.

Ottawa's Francophone population prior to amalgamation was 4%.

After amalgamation with Eastern townships brought the Francophone population up to 14% resulting in a FORCED bilingual policy for Ottawa, Ontario.

Some ways Quebec discriminates against English speaking Canadians and abuses the Charter:

1) French is the only official language in Quebec violating Canada's constitution. Violating Canada's Language laws.

2) In 1993, the United Nations Human Rights Committee ruled that Quebec's sign laws broke an international covenant on civil and political rights. "A State may choose one or more official languages," the committee wrote, "but it may not exclude outside the spheres of public life, the freedom to express oneself in a certain language." Quebec is violating the agreements and policies of the U.N. by creating racist language laws that make English essentially illegal.

3) Quebec forces families to send their children to French school's unless the parents have attended English schooling. One of the most blatantly racist policies that is akin to racial segregation. Also a human rights violation under the Charter of Rights and the United Nations ICCPR agreement.

4) Quebec's, "Right to protect the French language" is in reality the right to ban the English language without cause. They have a right to protect French yet the English have no right to protect the English language in Quebec. Another violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and another double-standard.

5) In Quebec companies must acquire a certificate of francization, which could only be obtained when a company showed it could function in French and address its employees in French.

6) The U.N. has called repeatedly for Canada to strike down Quebec Language Laws which are enforcing racist and bigoted policies designed to eliminate the English language in Quebec. In fact Rene Levesque has admitted on several occasions that his goal is to drive the English from what rightfully belongs to the French, in his opinion. With the help of Trudeau (Who also wanted to ethnically cleanse Quebec of anyone who wasn't French Catholic) they have worked hard to achieve their dream despite several warnings from the U.N.

8) The OQLF or, "Language Police"

-The Office québécois de la langue française (OQLF) provides several warnings before resorting to any legal sanctions. Alleged abuse of its power has led to charges of racism and harassment being levelled against them by members of minority groups.[22] The OQLF urged stores to remove imported kosher goods that did not meet labelling requirements, an action perceived in the Jewish community as an unfair targeting that coincided with a high-profile case against the well-known delicatessen, Schwartz's.[23] In 2002, media reported cases of harassment of allophone merchants who refuse to speak French.

[Leafless]

Of course, since French IS one of our two national languages.

Why don't you post where it officially says that?

[Leafless]

The facts that French-Canadians are not immigrants and their language is a national aside, how do you explain that most provinces outside Quebec had at one point or another in their history language POLICIES forbidding the teaching of French, a Canadian language?

And to think Quebec still does that to this day.

And France is so innocent:

In 1666, after capturing the Island of St. Christopher's in the West Indies, the French deported its English population of about 2500 and confiscated their property. France struck a commemorative medal to mark the glorious event. In 1689, Frontenac drew up plans to capture Albany and New York, with specific instructions from France that Catholics who took an oath of allegiance could remain while all others -- men women and children -- were to be dispersed to New England, Pennsylvania and as many other locations as necessary to prevent their reuniting and attempting to set out on expeditions to recover what had been taken from them.

And following the 1685 Revocation of the Edict of Nantes (in France), a mass exodus of persecuted French Protestants to other European countries took place. From historical records their numbers were on the order of 400,000 or some 40 times the number Acadians expelled by the British.

[CANADIEN]

So in other words 'bilingual policies' in Canada, whether federal, provincial or municiple bilingual policies, racially discriminate on the basis that bilingual policies restrict and reduce the importance and impair the recognition of the freely established national English culture/language. Bilingual policies do this by FORCING English speakers to learn an inferior regional Quebec French language in order to gain employment under jobs designated bilingual (English/French) in federal, provincial, municiple and private job markets especially in Ontario, Canada's largest 'de facto' English speaking province.

Only problem (for you) is that it has been demonstrated (to those who have a clue) that the so-called "discrimination" only exists in your prejudiced mind.

See also Language Regimes in the Province and Territitories, for other provinces that are compelled to provide French services relating to Official Languages and the French Languages Services Act. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0638-e.htm

Clueless again. With the exception of New Brunswick (at it's own request), provincial governments are NOT compelled to provide services in French.

This is unlike uni-lingual officially French Quebec where 50% of the population must be English speaking for any kind of a bilingual policy to be implemented. This explains why there is not a single bilingual policy in the entire province of Quebec.

Clueless again. Federal services are provided in English in quebec on the same basis as they are provided in French in the rest of the country. Mind you, if you have proof that federal services in Quebec are provided in English only when the English-speaking population is the local majority, give it to the BQ. They have been arguing for years for it to happen.

And where exactly do Francophones learn English in officially uni-lingual French Quebec?

In school.

This is unless of couse they are directly exposed to English speaking society as is described below.

And I though Francophones in this country learned english naturally.

[CANADIEN]

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[CANADIEN]

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[CANADIEN]

Why don't you post where it officially says that?

Why don't YOU post where it says officially that Canada is only one national language, English?

[CANADIEN]

And to think Quebec still does that to this day.

Nope, it doesn't.

It limits access to English school, but there are still publicly funded English schools in Quebec. And English is taught as a second language in French schools.

On the other hand, there were time in other provinces where the teaching in French or of French was banned. Something I suspect you wouldn't mind see again. And I am still waiting for you to try to justify this, especially since this kind a `protection for the english language`is not needed according to you.

And France is so innocent:

Never said anything about France being innocent or guilty. Especially since, as you should know full well by now, I am not French, but Canadian.

I am still waiting for you to justify past provincial government practices that banned French from public schools.

[CANADIEN]

Some ways Quebec discriminates against English speaking Canadians and abuses the Charter:

You forget the part about this being what YOU want to be done in Ontario.

I won't recopy all you posted, but will point out a few places where your hypocrisy and cluelessness show.

1) technically, Quebec language laws do not violate federal law or the Charter. Still a pile of m*nure, btw

2) Actually, Quebec laws were changed in the 1990's to allow SOME English, in line with the UN rule. Still not enough, but more, I suspect, that what you mean when you talk about English being the only official language of business.

3) And your position on French schools in Ontario is?

4) Quebec's, "Right to protect the French language" is in reality (...) similar to your "right to protect the English language"

5) This from the man who whines against NB cops who have the audacity to speak French during a break.

6)This from the guy who claim that "English-speaking jobs are being stolen".

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