Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[Leafless]

It's because I've looked it up that I know French is a Canadian language.

It is not Canada's native language.

This fact makes French a foreign language to the users of the commercial English language in Canada and coast to coast in the U.S.

And btw, I find it insulting to be called a little Hitler.

Than how about Russian?

You seem to know the game rules of playing Russian.

English translation, please?

It is not the spoken or written English language. Therefore it is considered a foreign language that one must go to school in order to learn.

You know, like the one the federal government funds to teach its own federal employees and at the tremendous cost to majority English speaking tax payers.

et me see... Finland is a country, not a province, therefore Swedish is not a foreign language in Finland. But Canada is a country, not a province, therefore French is a foreign language in Canada. Whatever.

Swedish is NOT the native language of Finland.

This makes the Swedish foreign through the eyes of the Finnish as it is not characteristic of the native Finnish language.

wonder what language foreign to France the French government is trying to preserve.

It is not trying to preserve anything.

French is the national, commercial, native language of France.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

It is not Canada's native language.

English is not native to Canada either. I suppose that according to your latest "logic" that makes English a foreign language too. True logic however indicates that both English and French are Canadian languages.

This fact makes French a foreign language to the users of the commercial English language in Canada and coast to coast in the U.S.

Good thing the main language in the US isn't Mandarin, you'd be attacking the rights of CANADIAN English speakers too.

Than how about Russian?

You seem to know the game rules of playing Russian.

I didn't even know there was a game named Russian. In the meantime, if you are to make a fool of yourself by comparing me to a murderous tyrant, I'll settle than no less than Mao I deserve that much, don't I? :lol:

It is not the spoken or written English language. Therefore it is considered a foreign language that one must go to school in order to learn.

By that logic, I suppose English is aforeign language to me. And that I am wrong to consider it a Canadian language.

Swedish is NOT the native language of Finland.

This makes the Swedish foreign through the eyes of the Finnish as it is not characteristic of the native Finnish language.

So now you know what the Finns think of the Swedish language? Then you know something even they don't know, considering that since 1919 (the year Finland became independant) , Finnish and Swedish are designated in the country's Constitution as Finalnd's national languages, with the exact same status.

It is not trying to preserve anything.

French is the national, commercial, native language of France.

In one posting, they're trying to preserve an obsolete language, in another they're not. make up your mind, will you?

Edited September 22, 2008 by CANADIEN

[g_bambino]

French is not characteristic of the commercial English language used by the large majority of Canadian citizens.

That didn't address my question in the least.

In Canada French is a regional language places it in the category of a foreign language imported from France.

In Canada, every language save for those of First Nations is imported. Ergo, English too is a foreign language, by your definition.

This lowly behavior is disgusting and must stopped by implenting the English language as the official language of Ontario.

As I said, you have a skewed idea of freedom.

[Leafless]

That didn't address my question in the least.

I will try again.

French is the national language of France.

English is the national language of Canada.

The minority French language in Canada is the national language of France. This makes French a foreign language in Canada as it is NOT the national language of Canada.

The obvious confusion lies with the fact that it is ONLY the federal government that has declared the languages English and the language French the 'official languages' of Canada with certain federal entitlements.

This has nothing to do with the FACT French is a foreign language.

n Canada, every language save for those of First Nations is imported. Ergo, English too is a foreign language, by your definition.

As I said, you have a skewed idea of freedom.

And you have a skewed idea of reality.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Leafless

[M.Dancer]

I will try again.

French is the national language of France.

English is the national language of Canada.

No such thing as a "national language of Canada"

If there is....pleas provide a citation, svp.

[guyser]

I will try again.

Dont bother. My sides hurt from laughing too much.

Here, I fixed this next gem for ya.

French is the national language of France, and Canada and parts of Africa.

English is the national language of Canada and lots of other places.

[g_bambino]

The minority French language in Canada is the national language of France. This makes French a foreign language in Canada as it is NOT the national language of Canada.

Well, putting aside the fact that the French spoken in Quebec is not the same as that spoken in France, your argument still makes English a foreign language in Canada, for it is the national language of the United Kingdom, the United States, and a host of other countries.

And you have a skewed idea of reality.

As I was presenting your idea of reality, you've just called your own viewpoint skewed. Congratulations!

[M.Dancer]

Well, putting aside the fact that the French spoken in Quebec is not the same as that spoken in France, your argument still makes English a foreign language in Canada..

Because I like to nit pick...the difference between Quebec French and French in France is much less than the difference between Canadian English and the English spoken in Ireland and about the same as Toronto English is to Alabama English.

[CANADIEN]

I will try again.

Stop trying and succeed once in a while will you?

French is the national language of France and one of the national languages of Canada.

English is one of the nationals languages of Canada.

That's what things actually are like.

The minority French language in Canada is the national language of France. This makes French a foreign language in Canada as it is NOT the national language of Canada.

To follow your "logic", English is the national language of the U.K. therefore it is not a national language of Canada, which makes it a foreign language. I know, doesn't make sense but hey, that's YOUR logic.

[Leafless]

Dont bother. My sides hurt from laughing too much.

Here, I fixed this next gem for ya.

To bad you don't know that the word NATIONAL means COMMON TO THE COUNTRY.

The English language is common to the country of Canada.

The French language is common to the PROVINCE of Quebec.

There, I fixed it for you.

[Leafless]

Well, putting aside the fact that the French spoken in Quebec is not the same as that spoken in France, your argument still makes English a foreign language in Canada, for it is the national language of the United Kingdom, the United States, and a host of other countries.

Our constitution was given to us by the British.

The English language has been the common and commercial language of the large majority of Canadians since that time.

Our head of State is the Queen.

Canada is an EXTENSION of the U.K.

English is NOT a foreign language in Canada.

[Leafless]

Because I like to nit pick...the difference between Quebec French and French in France is much less than the difference between Canadian English and the English spoken in Ireland and about the same as Toronto English is to Alabama English.

Yes, I agree that there are variations of the English and French language.

So what?

[M.Dancer]

Yes, I agree that there are variations of the English and French language.

So what?

I was replying to the intelligent poster...

[CANADIEN]

To bad you don't know that the word NATIONAL means COMMON TO THE COUNTRY.

The English language is common to the country of Canada.

The French language is common to the PROVINCE of Quebec.

There, I fixed it for you.

Apart from the fact English is not common to all Canadians, and that French is not common to all Quebecers...

Quebec being a province of Canada, and therefore part of Canada, French is NOT foreign to Canada.

[CANADIEN]

Our constitution was given to us by the British.

The English language has been the common and commercial language of the large majority of Canadians since that time.

Our head of State is the Queen.

Canada is an EXTENSION of the U.K.

English is NOT a foreign language in Canada.

Canada is NOT an extension of the U.K., but its own country.

But not to worry, nobody here thinks English is a foreign language in Canada... we're just applying YOUR latest "logic". Don't blame us if it doesn't work.

Edited September 22, 2008 by CANADIEN

[g_bambino]

Canada is an EXTENSION of the U.K.

I think I see what the problem is: Leafless has actually been pulled through a time vortex from the 19th century into the present day. Still, he probably would have seemed an idiot to the Victorians, given that French was made one of the two equally official languages of parliament by the BNA 1867.

[g_bambino]

Because I like to nit pick...the difference between Quebec French and French in France is much less than the difference between Canadian English and the English spoken in Ireland and about the same as Toronto English is to Alabama English.

You're probably right. But the uniqueness of Canadian French only reinforces that it cannot be foreign to the country in which it developed.

[guyser]

Still, he probably would have seemed an idiot to the Victorians,

Why limit it to only the Victorians ? Lord knows.....

[CANADIEN]

Why limit it to only the Victorians ? Lord knows.....

Mind you, it was still Victorian times when French was removed from the Legislatures and the Schools in the Prairies.

[M.Dancer]

You're probably right. But the uniqueness of Canadian French only reinforces that it cannot be foreign to the country in which it developed.

No argument there....whether the Mother tongue of the New Brunswicker or Quebecer is French they are speaking one of the languages of Canada.

[Leafless]

Canada is NOT an extension of the U.K., but its own country.

Canada is part of the commonwealth and is basically an extension of the U.K with the Queen as Head of State and a British Constitution it can't really ammend without the Queens permission.

Charter Rights is an exception.

But not to worry, nobody here thinks English is a foreign language in Canada... we're just applying YOUR latest "logic". Don't blame us if it doesn't work.

We? You mean you and your gang of cultural misfits.

Nobody?

You simply cannot comprehend probably because your French.

I encounter that problem all the time dealing with (qualified) bilingual clerks who cannot comprehend more than three English words at a time

Edited September 24, 2008 by Leafless

[Leafless]

Well, putting aside the fact that the French spoken in Quebec is not the same as that spoken in France, your argument still makes English a foreign language in Canada, for it is the national language of the United Kingdom, the United States, and a host of other countries.

As far as I know the English language has always been classified as the English language.

English is a West Germanic language originating in England and is the first language for most people in the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and the Anglophone Caribbean. It is used extensively as a second language and as an official language throughout the world, especially in Commonwealth countries and in many international organisations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

[Leafless]

I think I see what the problem is: Leafless has actually been pulled through a time vortex from the 19th century into the present day. Still, he probably would have seemed an idiot to the Victorians, given that French was made one of the two equally official languages of parliament by the BNA 1867.

Was made? Does everthing have to be dictated and socially engineered when it comes to the French language?

The BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT of 1867 established English and French as legislative and judicial languages in federal and Québec institutions. It also set out the right to denominational schooling, which at that time was closely associated with the anglophone (Protestant) and francophone (Roman Catholic) linguistic and cultural traditions.

Although the British North America Act and the Manitoba Act (1870) accorded the French language official status in Québec and Manitoba, no such recognition was granted to the substantial French-speaking populations of Ontario and New Brunswick. Furthermore, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a series of legislative enactments across Canada seriously restricted French-language education and virtually eliminated the use of French in provincial legislatures and courts outside Québec.

You probably can't tell that this was quoted out of the 'Canadian Ecyclopedia'.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ind...s=A1ARTA0000740

[Leafless]

No argument there....whether the Mother tongue of the New Brunswicker or Quebecer is French they are speaking one of the languages of Canada.

French is a minority foreign language in Canada even if it is spoken in Canada.

I will say it again, French is the national language of France not Canada.

Ask Mr. Dion he is a French citizen currently running for PM of this country.

WOW.

[CANADIEN]

Canada is part of the commonwealth and is basically an extension of the U.K with the Queen as Head of State and a British Constitution it can't really ammend without the Queens permission.

Charter Rights is an exception.

Canada is part of the Commonwealth, and it is it's own Country, with its own Constitution. As for the Queen, we are talking about the same one who SIGNED the Charter IN PERSON, therefore consenting to it, right?

We? You mean you and your gang of cultural misfits.

Nobody?

As I said, nobody on this site. You are welcome to prove me wrong by showing all the postings on this thread by people other than you who claim French is a foreign language.

You simply cannot comprehend probably because your French.

Aside from the fact I am not French (something you will never comprehend), I'll admit it... I do not comprehend things that make no sense whatsover, including about everything you write. Happy now?

Edited September 24, 2008 by CANADIEN