VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I used to vote, but now im sick of it. How can I vote when i dont have confidence in ANY political party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I used to vote, but now im sick of it. How can I vote when i dont have confidence in ANY political party? Fine, dont vote. Then again, dont bitch when things dont work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Fine, dont vote.Then again, dont bitch when things dont work out. im not bitching but we could post messages until the end of time! lets do something about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 lets do something about it By your choice of the moniker VIV3LAR3VOLUTION, I get the sense you have an idea or two. Care to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 By your choice of the moniker VIV3LAR3VOLUTION, I get the sense you have an idea or two. Care to share? My main idea right now is finding citizens who think like me and thousands and start from there. My ideas are probably too xtreme for here but your signature speaks for me too. Im fed up with the direction in witch this country is headed for. Like Quebec's quiet revolution when the Quebecois we're fedup with the way things were they did something about it and it changed everything there, small people in great numbers. Most of the people i know are fedup. Life is very stressful for most people and it shouldnt be. Lets just start communicating and more ideas will come. I d love to share my views in more details. La revolution tranquille http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger...vents/quiet.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) Fine, dont vote.Then again, dont bitch when things dont work out. That really is an overly lame response to a common complaint. In a party-based parliamentary system, one vote has no significance. We don't even have a say in who gets parachuted into our riding and so if you lean left or right politically you MUST vote for the candidate specified by your riding association (or by the Party leadership), even if he or she is a dick weed. The only choices you have either is to not vote, or to switch your vote to another party. Either way a personal choice really has no bearing on the outcome of the election....like ....when was the last time a MP or MPP won his seat by one vote? The system is busted. If we want democratic rule (instead of the current autocracy under Harper) then we must protest the system. Protesting the players has no effect since, MP's are unlikely to support change to a system that guarantees them state welfare with an unlimited expense account. You can't change a system from the inside, and in most cases it must hit a catastrophic collapse before people will generally get involved to make it something other than it is. Edited January 22, 2008 by charter.rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Either way a personal choice really has no bearing on the outcome of the election....like ....when was the last time a MP or MPP won his seat by one vote?The system is busted. If we want democratic rule (instead of the current autocracy under Harper) then we must protest the system. Thank you, Thats what i was thinking. My vote is nothing, but im protesting, right now. Im trying to do something about it with what i have and know. I think the people's mentality have to change towards the system. What if eveyone rose up and thought "screw you", we're not voting. The gov would then realize we mean business. Everyone is scared though. Scared of change maybe? I too think the system is busted and I'll die trying to change it. You can't change a system from the inside, it must hit a catastrophic collapse before people will generally get involved to make it something other than it is. Thats one of the problem, who wants to wait for a collapse for things to change? So to change the system from the outside would i have to start my own political party or some kind of civil group? Those are my ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 That really is an overly lame response to a common complaint. In a party-based parliamentary system, one vote has no significance. I dont agree. The OP said I used to vote but no longer do. With the myriad of parties out there NONE of them appeal to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I dont agree. The OP said I used to vote but no longer do.With the myriad of parties out there NONE of them appeal to him? Its because no party would actually change this messed up system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Its because no party would actually change this messed up system. ...and the circle is now complete. No vote, no change , no bitchin' Vote, change, rail from the rooftops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 ...and the circle is now complete. No vote, no change , no bitchin' Vote, change, rail from the rooftops. Vote, no change, bitch all you want, it doesn't get you anywhere. Remember Harper? Abolish the senate? Kill the gun registry. Once he got in he merely did what other politicians have always done. Silence his opposition, command his cabinet and do what the hell he wants regardless of what his original intention was. The bottom line is no matter how well-meaning someone is, they get corrupted by the system the minute they enter it. He won't change parliament because he CAN'T change it. The choice these days is either vote for a party, or get lost. Either way produces the same result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Vote, no change, bitch all you want, it doesn't get you anywhere.Remember Harper? Abolish the senate? Kill the gun registry. Once he got in he merely did what other politicians have always done. Silence his opposition, command his cabinet and do what the hell he wants regardless of what his original intention was. The bottom line is no matter how well-meaning someone is, they get corrupted by the system the minute they enter it. He won't change parliament because he CAN'T change it. The choice these days is either vote for a party, or get lost. Either way produces the same result. When did Harper ever say he would abolish the Senate? Can y9ou do that without a major consitutional crisis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Vote, no change, bitch all you want, it doesn't get you anywhere.The choice these days is either vote for a party, or get lost. Either way produces the same result. So what are our options? Make our own party(futile), or coup d'etat? What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Doors Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I used to vote, but now im sick of it. How can I vote when i dont have confidence in ANY political party? Don't vote then. Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 or coup d'etat? Well we know it would not be a coup by the decimated Canadian military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 The bottom line is no matter how well-meaning someone is, they get corrupted by the system the minute they enter it. This is the logic I referred to. So no matter how well meaning you or your new party are, the moment you land in Ottawa you are the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 So what are our options?Make our own party(futile), or coup d'etat? What else? You are dancing around in circles, obviously wanting to say something but not willing to come out and say it. Spit it out, so we can actually discuss whatever it is you have in mind. As for your idea of everyone rising up and saying "screw you, we're not voting", how do you envision that turning out? Because I see a very happy dictator (no specific person in mind here) rubbing his hands in glee at the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 (edited) You are dancing around in circles, obviously wanting to say something but not willing to come out and say it. Spit it out, so we can actually discuss whatever it is you have in mind. As for your idea of everyone rising up and saying "screw you, we're not voting", how do you envision that turning out? Because I see a very happy dictator (no specific person in mind here) rubbing his hands in glee at the thought. Alright, I feel like overthrowing it! Edited January 24, 2008 by VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIV3LAR3VOLUTION Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Or, maybe its the queen's regime we should let go. Becoming a republic. How would that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Or, maybe its the queen's regime we should let go.Becoming a republic. How would that work? with voting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Or, maybe its the queen's regime we should let go.Becoming a republic. How would that work? What kind of republic? Like the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR) or the Republic of the United States of America? A republic is simply a nation with a Constitutional form of government. You would have to have a Constitution before you have a republic. What? We have a Constitution? How come we are not the Republic of Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 This is the logic I referred to.So no matter how well meaning you or your new party are, the moment you land in Ottawa you are the same? Precisely. And this is perhaps the foremost reason a federal governments mandate should be limited and vigilantly held to that mandate despite it's whining and crying that it's hands are tied. That knot should never have been let loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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