Muslim father chokes daughter to near death

[jbg]

I see the truth. The truth that our socialist educators try to keep hidden from us, the silent majority. For if we were to learn the truth on a grand scale in the MSM they would have civil war on their hands and the country would be fragmented.

I personally wonder what socialists consider so wonderful about Islamofascists. They're anti-gay, anti-woman and anti-animal. Should PETA be asked to weigh in on this one?

[Oleg Bach]

I personally wonder what socialists consider so wonderful about Islamofascists. They're anti-gay, anti-woman and anti-animal. Should PETA be asked to weigh in on this one?

PETA? I like to beat those guys with a stick like a dog. ooooops.....like a human....oooops - I am soooo confused

[Mr.Canada]

Do you know how to speak Australian, Kiwi, Finnish or Danish?

That's the beautiful thing about Denmark. The government will fund me for 3 years to learn Danish, there is a similar program in Finland. That's why I mentioned them. They speak English in Australia and New Z.

I've been to all four of these embassies and gotten info on it and spoken to people their about my intentions.

Edited November 24, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[jbg]

They speak English in Australia and New Z.

New Zealand also has official bi-lingualism (with Maori). Australia speaks Australian. Ever listen to Slim Dusty? It ain't English.

[Mr.Canada]

New Zealand also has official bi-lingualism (with Maori). Australia speaks Australian. Ever listen to Slim Dusty? It ain't English.

So in Canada we speak Canadian because we have a different accent and slang. That is absurd. They speak English, go to the world fact site.

[M.Dancer]

New Zealand also has official bi-lingualism (with Maori). Australia speaks Australian. Ever listen to Slim Dusty? It ain't English.

This is the first home grown hit in Australia

It's lonesome away from your kindred and all

By the campfire at night where the wild dingos call

But there's nothin' so lonesome, so dull or so drear

Than to stand in the bar of a pub with no beer

Now the publican's anxious for the quota to come

There's a faraway look on the face of the bum

The maid's gone all cranky and the cook's acting queer

What a terrible place is a pub with no beer

The stockman rides up with his dry, dusty throat

He breasts up to the bar, pulls a wad from his coat

But the smile on his face quickly turns to a sneer

When the barman says suddenly: "The pub's got no beer!"

There's a dog on the verandah, for his master he waits

But the boss is inside drinking wine with his mates

He hurries for cover and he cringes in fear

It's no place for a dog round a pub with no beer

Then in comes the swagman, all covered with flies

He throws down his roll, wipes the sweat from his eyes

But when he is told he says, "What's this I hear?

I've trudged fifty flamin' miles to a pub with no beer!"

Old Billy, the blacksmith, the first time in his life

Has gone home cold sober to his darling wife

He walks in the kitchen; she says: "You're early, me dear"

Then he breaks down and he tells her that the pub's got no beer

It's lonesome away from your kindred and all

By the campfire at night where the wild dingos call

But there's nothin' so lonesome, so dull or so drear

Than to stand in the bar of a pub with no beer

I can undertand it fine

[Mr.Canada]

So in Canada we speak Canadian because we have a different accent and slang. That is absurd. They speak English, go to the world fact site.

Agree with M.Dancer. It's a miracle.

[JB Globe]

Well then this just goes to show how much of a lawless religion Islam is. Many Imams condemn these honour killings yet the killings continue.

So, you acknowledge that religious leaders condemn honour killings, you acknowledge that religious scholars have said that they are against Islam, but the fact that they still occur is evidence of "Islamic lawlessness"???

Isn't that the same thing as saying: Christianity condemns spousal abuse, yet some Christians still abuse their spouses - therefor: Christianity is a lawless religion.

Or hell, forget religion: Canada outlaws murder, but murder still occurs, therefor: Canada is a lawless nation.

This isn't Saudi Arabia and these Muslims need to learn to respect our laws not just Sharia law.

Considering most Canadian Muslims are law-abiding citizens, they do respect THE law (which is everyone's law).

If they cannot then they should be deported after they serve their sentences, Canada doesn't need them.

No, actually, what should happen is they should receive the same treatment that anyone else would receive for whatever crime they commit. A car thief who happens to be Christian isn't inherently better than the car thief who happens to be Muslim - they're both car thiefs.

I'm interested to know why the justice system should start treating people more severely for no other reason than they belong to a different religion? Also, while we can deport people who aren't citizens/landed immigrants, we can only do so if they violate immigration law or commit a crime - we cannot deport them for arbitrary reasons such as: they eat food you don't like, wear clothes you don't like, live their life in a way you don't like. The law isn't a tool to enforce the tastes of the majority on the rest of the population.

Canada is an inclusive society and these Muslims don't want to be included, their actions speak to that

And what actions are those? It's been my experience, growing up with Muslims and their families that Muslims are no more or less inherently inclusive than anyone else. I'm fully aware that there's a segment of the community, just like there's a segment in every community, that can be exclusive, but I haven't seen any evidence that the majority of Canadian Muslims are exclusive.

[JB Globe]

I personally wonder what socialists consider so wonderful about Islamofascists.

No matter how many times I hear it or read it, Islamofascism is a term that makes me laugh.

Anyways - I assume you're referring to Muslims who hold extremely conservative or militant interpretations of the Qu'ran - in which case I don't believe most "socialists" (which I assume you're using as a term to describe anyone who doesn't agree with your POV) consider such people wonderful.

Let's clarify - the majority of Muslims, who are moderate, are just as fully human in my eyes as anyone else - I fail to see what's so wrong with that.

[JB Globe]

And again - why do you think that we only pay attention to domestic violence when it's a Muslim man murdering their daughter / wife?

Why don't we care as much when white men murder their entire families?

[cybercoma]

I'd like to know what Mr.Canada thinks we should do with a Lebanese Christian Canadian that beats and kills his wife in a drunken rage.

Actually, on second thought, I don't want to know. It would be unfair of me to make his bigotry that obvious.

Edited November 25, 2008 by cybercoma

[Candice]

I'm sorry this happened, but these families shouldn't be coming here like this. This paired with the taser incident speaks volumes of the quality of people that are coming to Canada.

You can spew idealisms, but this has got to stop. Something needs to be done now.

Poor girl. Hope the father rots in jail and then is deported.

Never realised how lucky i am to have sane parents who didn't throttle me when i refused to wear the hijab o.O

[guyser]

And again - why do you think that we only pay attention to domestic violence when it's a Muslim man murdering their daughter / wife?

Because he thinks it furthers his moronic ideals.

Why don't we care as much when white men murder their entire families?

That never happens does it? It seems it only happens to muslims.

[Candice]

That never happens does it? It seems it only happens to muslims.

Not really.

In UK a millionaire male shot his two children and wife and then himself.

He wasn't a Muslim.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Not really.

In UK a millionaire male shot his two children and wife and then himself.

He wasn't a Muslim.

There wouldn't be any difference if every male, white or otherwise, was killing his family randomly.

However, the difference arises when a pattern emerges - ie. muslim men killing women in their family based upon their MUSLIM religious ideals.

They are called "honour killings" in the muslim faith. And pretending they don't exist, or ignoring their significance within the muslim religion is more culturally ignorant than those "bigots" who paint all muslims with the same brush.

It's a problem in the faith and to say otherwise is ignorant and willfully blind in the name of "sensitivity", and frankly, sick.

[guyser]

However, the difference arises when a pattern emerges - ie. muslim men killing women in their family based upon their MUSLIM religious ideals.

And what pattern would that be?

What can one say about the 27 (solved-2003) murders of children in Canada?

They are called "honour killings" in the muslim faith. And pretending they don't exist, or ignoring their significance within the muslim religion is more culturally ignorant than those "bigots" who paint all muslims with the same brush.

It's a problem in the faith and to say otherwise is ignorant and willfully blind in the name of "sensitivity", and frankly, sick.

Speaking of ignorant and willfully blind, dont eat the whole cake in one sitting ok?

There are some that are linked, and some killings that are not, yet, if muslim, are reported as muslim killing. It sells papers, and the ignorant buy into it.....obviously.

[JerrySeinfeld]

And what pattern would that be?

What can one say about the 27 (solved-2003) murders of children in Canada?

Speaking of ignorant and willfully blind, dont eat the whole cake in one sitting ok?

There are some that are linked, and some killings that are not, yet, if muslim, are reported as muslim killing. It sells papers, and the ignorant buy into it.....obviously.

What

Part

of

willfully blind

ignorance

do you

enjoy most?

[cybercoma]

There wouldn't be any difference if every male, white or otherwise, was killing his family randomly.

However, the difference arises when a pattern emerges - ie. muslim men killing women in their family based upon their MUSLIM religious ideals.

They are called "honour killings" in the muslim faith. And pretending they don't exist, or ignoring their significance within the muslim religion is more culturally ignorant than those "bigots" who paint all muslims with the same brush.

It's a problem in the faith and to say otherwise is ignorant and willfully blind in the name of "sensitivity", and frankly, sick.

So we are to assign different values to murder? Like, the father that beats and kills his daughter because she's wearing makeup and acting like a whore is more justified than the father that beats and kills his daughter because she doesn't wear the hijab?

[cybercoma]

What

Part

of

willfully blind

ignorance

do you

enjoy most?

Maybe they should make murder illegal. Oh wait....

[JerrySeinfeld]

So we are to assign different values to murder? Like, the father that beats and kills his daughter because she's wearing makeup and acting like a whore is more justified than the father that beats and kills his daughter because she doesn't wear the hijab?

You're kind of close. We don't assign different values to murder. But the discussion certainly is about values. Cultural ones, that is, and what "values" we will and will not tolerate in this country.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Maybe they should make murder illegal. Oh wait....

... or maybe we should change the rules to accomodate "diversity"

[Peter F]

... or maybe we should change the rules to accomodate "diversity"

Well if we did then your position would be justified...but as you say, we havn't, soooo....

[guyser]

I revel in your ignorance Jerry. You post it all the time, and even with a smiley face so we know how much of a simpleton you are.

For your information, your links are dated , 2003, 2007, 2005 and 2 in 2008. Wonderful , you can google. Gold star jerry gold.

Hey, you even put in a coule of guys killing another guy. Some honour killing that wasnt huh? Oh should I smiley face so you dont get sad?

But what of this in your link.....

According to Khan, honor killings "are not Islamic at all, but because they are integrated into traditional culture they are seen as something Islamic."

Indeed, the issue may be more cultural than religious, some experts argue.

Oh no, cultural perhaps and not religious ?

Oh my.

Thats ok, you can fill your agenda with pablum should you wish. oh oh.,..smiley face (but not with you, just at)

Edited November 25, 2008 by guyser

[cybercoma]

... or maybe we should change the rules to accomodate "diversity"

Or maybe everyone in Canada should be treated equally. When a WASP kills his daughter, he should face the same punishment as a first generation Muslim. If you had your way, for no other reason than a person's religious beliefs and heritage, they would receive a lighter sentence.

Edited November 25, 2008 by cybercoma

[JerrySeinfeld]

Or maybe everyone in Canada should be treated equally. When a WASP kills his daughter, he should face the same punishment as a first generation Muslim. If you had your way, for no other reason than a person's religious beliefs and heritage, they would receive a lighter sentence.

That's bullshit. That's not what I'm after.

I'm pointing out two glaring obvious observations:

1. Honour Killing is a distinctly muslim phenomenon which is related to the more devout aspects of that religion's oppression of women. This is an indisputable fact. This is also something that may be accepted or acquiesced to in other countries or societies. However we should, instead of ignoring this phenomenon on the basis of "tolerance", be making an effort to discourage the mysoginy that exists in the harder core aspects of the religion which ultimately leads to these preventable murders.

Every December 6 women and men march with lighted candles in memory of the women killed during the montreal massacre. This march is meant to direct attention to the violence against women perpetrated by one group of people: men.

If we can single out an entire gender as aggressive toward women, why can't we single out a religion?

For the record, by the way, Marc Lepine, the shooter at the montreal massacre, was born Ghamil Gharbi - son of a muslim wife beater.

2. In some western societies, we are already seeing not only aqcuiescance - ie. "hey it's just anothermurder", but in fact a change in legal policy on the grounds of "sensitivity" as per the australian police force's willingness to look the other way when it comes to muslim domestic violence.