Muslim father chokes daughter to near death

[jbg]

One right here. I learned that the difference between human reaction and animal reaction is that humans have the kind of brain that can pause for a few seconds, take note of their own state of anxiety, fear, anger, etc., and wait for 10 seconds to make a decision.

Are you sure? Then why do religious observances and store sales in certain countries routinely turn into deadly stampedes?

[Dkz]

Are you sure? Then why do religious observances and store sales in certain countries routinely turn into deadly stampedes?

maybe you're heard of this practice that happens in a Christian country called: Spain :

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/...lona/index.html

PAMPLONA, Spain -- No one was seriously injured on Tuesday amid smaller crowds and dryer streets on the fourth day of the famous bull running festival in Pamplona.

However, several runners were trampled, and one runner was the victim of a five-bull pileup along the path to the bull ring. He curled up and covered his head but was up and running after the bulls passed.

A few people were treated for minor injuries after tripping underneath the bulls, according to Red Cross spokesman Rafael Cortijo.

The first three days of the San Fermin run were much more dangerous when bulls charged and tossed several runners among crowds clad in white shirts, red kerchiefs and red sashes.

Six people were badly gored on Saturday during the first runs, known as "encierros."

The San Fermin festival is held every year for nine days in July. The bulls set off each morning on an 825-metre (half-mile) stampede from a corral to an outdoor arena where they are killed by matadors later in the day.

The last death in the festival came in 1995, when a 22-year-old man from the U.S. was gored.

Hundreds of thousands of visitors pack into Pamplona for the festival, many of them partying the night away on the streets before the morning run.

The San Fermin fiesta was immortalised in Ernest Hemingway's 1926 novel The Sun Also Rises. The fiesta kicked off on Friday, with thousands of locals and tourists participating in the festivities.

Crowds packed into the central square cheering and spraying each other with bottles of sparkling wine.

The running of the bulls tradition dates back to 1591 when the purpose was to move the bulls into the arena. In the 17th century, a few daring spectators jumped in front of the bulls and ran for the first time.

[Dkz]

P.S. IRA, politically motivated and driven, hence the name Irish Republican Army. Geeze! Do some research why dontcha!

IRA is religiously motivated. Both sides are Irish. There is already a country called Ireland. N. Ireland is run by the British. IRA seeks to change that. IRA are Catholics while the other side are Protestants. It is a relgious war.

[Dkz]

Perhaps you should take your own advice. Read the Koran before you talk. In many places repeatedly it does indeed call for killing those who wont convert. It also states that beating your woman is a good practice.

From the Bible:

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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God Will Kill Ethiopia

You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

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Jesus promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:

"For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV)

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Murder and Slavery

The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.

When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in Mount Heres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves. (Judges 1:21-35 NLT)

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Ten Thousand Murdered at God's Command

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)

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Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

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Kill Everyone in 7 Nations

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

[Dkz]

Really? You think "murder" ranks somewhere with being gay, polygamous, having kids out of wedlock, and divorce? Because those are all as horrible as murder? And here I didn't even realize being gay was a "problem," much less one "somewhere in there" with murder.

You're taking what I said out of context. Honour killings are murder but they are not that common. The things I had mentioned are more common.

Well, since I've pointed out that honor killings are happening in the western world too, what are you saying exactly? And while you're at it, could you explain how Pakistan's government is "fully backed" by the U.S.?

The Mussharaff government in Pakistan is very unpopular. He took over by force in 1999 and setup a dictatorship from a democratically elected leader, Nawaz Shariff. The US was backing him every step of the way. After 9-11 they made a public threat to him that if he didn't help them in Afghanistan then he is their enemy. Mussharaff backed chose the US. It wasn't really a choice since the other choice meant the breakup of his country. Since the 1960s at least, US has been supplying Pakistan with weapons. During all 3 wars between India and Pakistan, Pakistan was armed by the US. Pakistani president Zia-ul Haq was a close ally of Reagan. In the 1980s the CIA gave stinger rocket launchers to the ISI (pakistan's intelligence agency). Those same rocket launchers made it to their intended target: the Taliban. Pakistan's closest military ally and supplier of weapons and financial aid has always been the US. What the US could have done was cut off all weapons and financial aid to Pakistan to protest against Shariff's removal but nothing like that happened.

[Dkz]

To many people. since 9-11 penetrated close to home and killed white people and

9-11 didn't effect me in any way what so ever.

is not far away in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem or the West Bank or some dusty corner in Sudan or some other third world country with someone different then them, it now is too close, so this wishful thinking that it can go away and remain with the savages elsewhere if we just ignore it, kicks in.

What happened in 9-11 was specific to the US. What happens in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv is related to a nationalist freedom fighting struggle of the Palestinians who had their country stolen from them thanks to British and French support of Jews with the establishment of Israel in 1948.

In Sudan, there is a muslim v.s. christian conflict.

These events are all separate from each other.

Interestingly I find the same people that just don't want to get involved and think if you leave terrorists alone they will ignore you also are blissfully ignorant of the fact that as long as they consume energy and fossel fuels and demand the lifestyle they do, these terrorists will necessarily exist.

Speaking of fossil fuels, the US's lust for oil is why they were in the mid-east to begin with. That lust for oil is what led them to prop up puppet governments in the entire region. People in the mid-east are not stupid. They are not happy with the US being there. 9-11 did happen ONLY to the US because of its involvement in other countries' internal affairs.

I am not condoning terror, but have you ever wondered why ONLY the US got such an attack? Why do you think Bin laden and his followers hate the US so much? The US is supporting regimes in countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan amongst many others. None of these governments would last in a democratic election. The US says it wants to promote 'democracy' but in fact is supporting these dictatorships due to their hunger for oil. US made Saddam Hussien what he was. Hussein had toilets of gold while people were dieing from hunger in a oil rich country. Why did the US have to liberate Kuwait? Why not any number of 1/2 dozen African countries? Did Rwanda and Barundi not have enough oil to warrant US military occupation and invasion?

They do not see any relationship between their lifestyle and world conflict and it is of course very Canadian to think we are good guys and no one hates us its only the Americans or Israelis that terrorists hate.

As long as Canada is in Afghanistan, this country's name will be dragged into the mud. Our status as a peacekeeper is forever ruined by Harper's insistance on staying there forever as occupiers.

Edited January 6, 2008 by Dkz

[Dkz]

Hell, we had Sikh and Hindu in Jonny Quest cartoons over 40 years ago. Now that's cultural sensitivity

There was Hindus in Johnny Quest cartoons, but no Sikhs. You obviously don't know the difference.

[Dkz]

The fact that they are spread out and integrated into US society speaks volumes of the success of Canadian multiculturalism.

In Vancouver, over 50% of the population is visible minority, there are street signs in Punjabi, multiple Punjabi radio stations on the public radio spectrum (Red FM being one of them 93.1 FM), several schools where over 95% of the population are punjabi speaking, and many stores in places like Abbotsford and Surrey have entirely punjabi-only signage inside and outside speaks volumes of Canada's multiculturalism. That is exactly what Trudeau's multiculturalism is all about. Staying within your own culture with minimal interaction with other cultures. No hicktown in Alabama or anywhere else in the US would allow such multiculturalism to take place.

[Dkz]

How many are in/around Yuba City

Sikhs are concentrated in the farming communities around Yuba City and surrounding areas. In California there's probably close to 100,000 of them or 1/5 of the Sikh population in America that lives in California. The rest are scattered around. California was the first place that Sikhs came to in the US , in the same way that BC was the first place that Sikhs came to in Canada.

[Dkz]

And? Boo, USA. Maybe they should pass a law saying people in other countries shouldn't.... oh wait. They don't make laws for other countries, do they?

If the USA actually disapproves of such practices then why are they giving aid and funding and propping up puppet governments in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that are supporting things like honour killings?

[Dkz]

Do I see maybe a smidge of anti-Americanism there? Is it possible that Canadians wouldn't be so free to throw rocks at the US if they had to mount a real defense effort?

Truth Hurts?

That's how the rest of the world sees American's state sponsered terror and imperialism.

[Dkz]

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/8887

Racial Discrimination in the US in Violation of Geneva Convention charges Major Human Rights Network

Fri, 2007-12-28 03:00

Daya Gamage – US National Correspondent Asian Tribune

Washington, D.C. 28 December (Asiantribune.com): A report released early December by the US Human Rights Network (USHRN), a coalition of over 250 social justice and human rights groups across the United States, charged the Bush Administration with failing to comply with its obligations under the International Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), an international treaty that carries the force of law in the United States.

The report was filed with the United Nations committee that monitors compliance with the treaty based in Geneva.

The US Human Rights Network was formed to promote US accountability to universal human rights standards by building linkages between organizations and individuals. The Network strives to build a human rights culture in the United States that puts those directly affected by human rights violations, with a special emphasis on grassroots organizations and social movements, in a central leadership role. The Network also works towards connecting the US human rights movement with the broader US social justice movement and human rights movements around the world.

“Our analysis reveals that the Bush Administration is utterly out of touch with the reality of racial discrimination in America,” said Ajamu Baraka, the Executive Director of the USHRN. “From failing to address the chronic persistence of structural racism to even acknowledging the disparate racial impact on people of color of Hurricane Katrina, the State Department reports reads like a fantasy; unfortunately a fantasy that is to often experienced as a nightmare for American’s of color,” he added.

The Convention, adopted by the United States in 1969, requires signatory countries to periodically report on their progress in identifying, correcting, and remedying racism and racial discrimination. The U.S. submitted a report to the U.N. Committee that monitors compliance with the Convention last spring. Lisa Crooms, a Howard University law professor, and an author of the USHRN report says the State Department report “blatantly overlooks and misrepresents ongoing racial disparities and discrimination in the US.” Among the concerns identified in the USHRN analysis are:

* The U.S. government's report does not mention the internationally recognized race and poverty related impacts of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

* The report completely ignores the issue of policy brutality, recognized by many Americans as one of the most blatant and common forms of ongoing differential treatment based on race.

* The report does not discuss the well documented “school to prison pipeline,” in which discriminatorily applied “zero tolerance” policies and criminal justice based responses to overcrowding and under resourcing of public schools drive children of color out of schools and into the prison system

* Required to provide information about compliance with the Convention at the State level, the government only chose to provide comprehensive information on four states: Oregon, South Carolina, Illinois and New Mexico, notably overlooking States with some of the country's largest populations of people of color and immigrants, such as New York, California, Texas and Florida, as well as the Gulf Coast States victimized by Katrina.

* The government's report suggests that stark racial disparities in incarceration rates (African Americans and Latino/as make up 60% of the over 2 million people incarcerated in the United States, but less than a quarter of the population) may be “related to differential involvement in crime” rather than a result of the cumulative impacts of racial disparities in the treatment of minorities at every stage of the criminal justice process. Adding insult to injury, the U.S. report fails to cite evidence that rates of involvement in many criminalized activities, including drug use, are actually very similar across race.

* The report highlights training and outreach programs for law enforcement agencies encouraging sensitivity to Arab and Muslim communities developed in the aftermath of 9/11, while completely failing to acknowledge widespread racially and ethnically targeted law enforcement practices such as the special registration program and aggressive round-ups and interviews of thousands of non-citizen Muslims, Arabs and South Asians.

* Indigenous people continue to suffer profound and ongoing effects of the legacy of colonialism and racial discrimination in the U.S.

The report was simultaneously submitted, on behalf national, state and local organizations from across the country, to the U.N. Committee on December 12. The same committee will be questioning the U.S. government on its compliance with its obligations under the Convention early next year, as a counterpoint to the U.S. report.

- Asian Tribune -

[bush_cheney2004]

...As long as Canada is in Afghanistan, this country's name will be dragged into the mud. Our status as a peacekeeper is forever ruined by Harper's insistance on staying there forever as occupiers.

You mean it was OK to kill men, women and children in Afghanistan before PM Harper took office? Amazing!

[bush_cheney2004]

Sikhs are concentrated in the farming communities around Yuba City and surrounding areas. In California there's probably close to 100,000 of them or 1/5 of the Sikh population in America that lives in California. The rest are scattered around.

More Sikhs in the US and UK than in Canada. I wonder why?

[Community Advocate]

These are not child deaths.

We are talking about a 16 year old and older.

A child is described in all federal and provincial laws as one who is under the age of 18.

[Community Advocate]

Are you sure? Then why do religious observances and store sales in certain countries routinely turn into deadly stampedes?

simple answer: They are using their animal brains.

[Dkz]

You mean it was OK to kill men, women and children in Afghanistan before PM Harper took office? Amazing!

No. I mean before Canada's involvement in Afghanistan, Canada was regarded as a peacekeeping country. Now, Canada's army is doing the dirty work for the US in Afghanistan. US gets their bases in that country. Canada is now going to be seen as a target by US-haters because of this country's involvement there. Previously, Canada was a neutral country with involvements only in peacekeeping roles. Given how the conflict in Afghanistan had nothing to do with Canada, the army should have never been sent there. The US unilaterally invaded Afghanistasn without any cause or provocation.

Darfur is where they should have been deployed instead as peacekeepers.

[Guest American Woman]

Really? You think "murder" ranks somewhere with being gay, polygamous, having kids out of wedlock, and divorce? Because those are all as horrible as murder? And here I didn't even realize being gay was a "problem," much less one "somewhere in there" with murder.

You're taking what I said out of context. Honour killings are murder but they are not that common. The things I had mentioned are more common.

Yes, honor killings are murder. So why are you bringing up these other irrelevant issues? So what if homosexuality is more common than honor killings? There's nothing wrong with being gay. So what if there are more divorces and children born out of wedlock than there are honor killings? Neither are against the law. As for polygamy, while it's against the law, I'm not sure how common it is. I'm also totally confused as to what it has to do with murder. Should we be more concerned about polygymous relationships than honor killings?

It seems to me all you're trying to do is trivilize the occurance of honor killings. They occur too often. They are a problem. A problem that is getting worse. Do you truly not see that?

Edited January 6, 2008 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

No. I mean before Canada's involvement in Afghanistan, Canada was regarded as a peacekeeping country. Now, Canada's army is doing the dirty work for the US in Afghanistan.

Then why did you hang it on PM Harper's "insistence"? What about Haiti? Or Kosovo? Or Bosnia?

What does any of this have to do with a father choking his daughter to death?

Darfur is where they should have been deployed instead as peacekeepers.

"Peacekeeper" is a myth......

[Dkz]

It seems to me all you're trying to do is trivilize the occurance of honor killings. They occur too often. They are a problem. A problem that is getting worse. Do you truly not see that?

Honour killings are a problem but they are not as common as you would believe. They get sensationalized in the media because its a person of colour or a different religion that committed the crime. Due to that there is more notice than a white person comitting a more serious crime. When Robert Pickton was arrestted there no headlines of 'Christian mass murderer' or anything like that.

[Dkz]

Then why did you hang it on PM Harper's "insistence"? What about Haiti? Or Kosovo? Or Bosnia?

those were all UN or NATO mandated missions. In Afghanistan, Canada is nothing but a lapdog of the US which unilaterally invaded Afghanistan against International Law.

What does any of this have to do with a father choking his daughter to death

What it has to do with that crime is how a few racists are trying to use that one single isolated incident to slam all Muslims.

"Peacekeeper" is a myth......

Look up Canadian military history. Most of it is about peacekeeping.

[cybercoma]

When Robert Pickton was arrestted there no headlines of 'Christian mass murderer' or anything like that.

This faulty logic has been beaten to death already. It's obvious you didn't read the thread and are just here to blab on with your anti-American propaganda.

Which is funny because that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

[bush_cheney2004]

those were all UN or NATO mandated missions. In Afghanistan, Canada is nothing but a lapdog of the US which unilaterally invaded Afghanistan against International Law.

Nonsense...Afghanistan is also a "UN or NATO" mission.

What it has to do with that crime is how a few racists are trying to use that one single isolated incident to slam all Muslims.

No, it would seem that a few Muslim extremists are doing that well all by themselves.

Look up Canadian military history. Most of it is about peacekeeping.

Utter nonsense and an insult to Canadians who died doing much more than "peacekeeping".

[cybercoma]

the US... unilaterally invaded Afghanistan against International Law.

Oh?

United States

Australia

United Kingdom

Canada

Denmark

Germany

France

Lithuania

Netherlands

New Zealand

Italy

India

Norway

Portugal

Spain

Romania

Estonia

Finland

That's a list of all the countries that have offered support to the war in Afghanistan. Your definition of "unilateral" must be very broad.

This doesn't even mention the fact that the United States was ATTACKED by an organization residing within Afghanistan. The Taliban government refused to do anything to stop that organization from launching attacks on the US, which makes it completely within America's right to disarm al-qaeda and overthrow the uncooperative Taliban for supporting them.

I don't know why I'm bothering explaining this, since you clearly have an agenda to smear the United States, rather than look at anything rationally. So, you really don't need to reply... I'm sure I can figure out what your canned response will be.

[Dkz]

Nonsense...Afghanistan is also a "UN or NATO" mission.

Those countries you mentioned were all invaded with a UN or Nato mandate. Afghanistan was a unilateral invasion.

No, it would seem that a few Muslim extremists are doing that well all by themselves.

Just as Pickton or Bernardo or McVeigh killing all those people doesn't make all white people into mass murderers and rapists, one honour killing by 1 Muslim doesn't make all 1 billion+ Muslims into killers.

Utter nonsense and an insult to Canadians who died doing much more than "peacekeeping".

Get some reading glasses I did say 'most of it is peacekeeping', which it is. Canadians fought in WWI and WWII and the Korean War. Aside from that its been mostly peacekeeping. If you like, I can name you individual UN missions like Haiti,Cyprus,Bosnia, Rawanda, and many others.