Superiour White People - ?

[M.Dancer]

I was told{Rutherford Show-Calgary} kennewick man was important because he pre dates regular North American Natives. In other words "Natives" as we know them were not here first. There was another race of people here first who apparently didnt do so well. Example Kennewick man was speared to death. What happened to all of Kennewick people? Was there some kind of genocide going on?

Anyway nothing is proven. But the "Natives" are sure doing everything they can to prevent anything from being studied.

That is illogical. Kennewick man was a native. What it shows is that our earlier assumptions about when the first nomadic Eurasians and Asiatics arrived were wrong, and the theories accordingly have been adjusted.

Anthropologist Joseph Powell of the University of New Mexico was finally allowed to examine the remains and his conclusions were contradictory. Kennewick Man was in fact not European but rather resembled south Asians and the Ainu people of northeast Asia.[2]

As well, he was not speared to death becasue the spear wound was found to have bone growth over it, meaning he survived quite awhile after his injury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

[Don Cherry]

That is illogical. Kennewick man was a native. What it shows is that our earlier assumptions about when the first nomadic Eurasians and Asiatics arrived were wrong, and the theories accordingly have been adjusted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

So he wasnt European he was Japanese. Its still the same arguement isnt it? Japanese have different bones that "Natives". Right? What happened to all the Japanese North American Natives of 9000 years ago?

[Don Cherry]

http://www.kennewick-man.com/kman/series/s...p-3304645c.html

The key point in the report - and the one that sparked a 3-year-old lawsuit over whether scientists get to study the bones - is that Kennewick Man's cranium doesn't match those typical of modern American Indians - which is what Chatters said soon after inspecting the bones.

Kennewick Man's features likely came from the Ainu, a near-extinct band in Japan that bears Caucasoid characteristics, or from Polynesians, the federal report said.

"I never said he was European," said Chatters, who blames much of the controversy following the discovery on what he calls "the absolute mess" the press made of the findings. "I said he had European-like features."

http://www.kennewick-man.com/kman/news/sto...p-9333951c.html

Hastings believes that although the 9th Circuit Court ruling cleared the way for Kennewick Man to be studied, future actions by federal agencies, Congress or the courts could jeopardize the study of Kennewick Man or other ancient remains that he believes may not be clearly connected to any present-day Indian tribe.

[M.Dancer]

So he wasnt European he was Japanese. Its still the same arguement isnt it? Japanese have different bones that "Natives". Right? What happened to all the Japanese North American Natives of 9000 years ago?

The Ainu aren't Japanese. Just because you picked Cherry as a name doesn't mean you have to act like him.

[Posit]

The US has a "Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act" that provides automatic native ownership or anything that was found in the ground, including museum pieces and the vast collection store at Smithsonian (although Smithsonian is arguing they aren't required to comply). When Kennewick Man was discovered natives made an objection on the basis that the dead should remain buried and that the NAGPR Act prevented further study.

The off the cuff remark made by a science reporter that the skull look Caucasian made headlines and it took months for legitimate forensic anthropologists to correct the false assumption. However, some scientists went to court over it and were able to convince a judge that since the remains may have been Caucasian and not native, the Repatriation Act didn't apply.

In the end it could easily be an anomaly, or an immigrant. However, eastern natives do have Caucasoid features and it is possible Kenniwick is related to them.

[White Doors]

However, eastern natives do have Caucasoid features and it is possible Kenniwick is related to them

Not according to the scientist who did the study

Kennewick Man or other ancient remains that he believes may not be clearly connected to any present-day Indian tribe.

It doesn't really matter if he was caucasian or not, what matters is that there may have been some people here before the modern day Indians that the Indians owe alot of explaining to...

Perhaps some relatives of the first natives in North America will demand a reserve, within their modern Indians reserves. We'll Make Canada into a big quilt.

After that we can have the Southern Asians sue Canada becuase they are angry that their ancestors didn't make it here, but should have.

All people who have ever lived in North America, Australia, Asia and Europe are immigrants. Of that there is no credible doubt.

[Rue]

Actually Rue. I'd like to apologize fornot making my post clear enough.

Understand. Thanks. I defer to you and Postit on the archeology debate. Er someone told me I am descended from some couple called Adam and Eve. I am not sure what their last name was. From what I can gather of the family history many of my relatives were probably deranged as they heard voices and had visions and went around killing and raping and pillaging. Savages if you must know.

[Rue]

In They also don't want to believe that their ancestors originated with Adam and Eve because they've gone over to different types of worship that deny God.

Oh My God! It sounds like you are related to me! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[kengs333]

Oh My God! It sounds like you are related to me! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Well, no, because if you read Genesis you'd notice that there were actually a population of humanoids on Earth when God created Adam and Eve. Those would be your ancestors.

[guyser]

Well, no, because if you read Genesis

Before or after Peter Gabriel ?

[M.Dancer]

Before or after Peter Gabriel ?

Defenately during Peter...couldn't tell you what they were like before, but after he left they struggled to still sound as if he was still there....

[jefferiah]

Well, no, because if you read Genesis you'd notice that there were actually a population of humanoids on Earth when God created Adam and Eve. Those would be your ancestors.

Well if you want to go by Genesis then Rue would be descended from Adam and Eve since Genesis traces the line from Adam and Eve to Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob.

[M.Dancer]

I go back to Adam and Steve.

They adopted.

[M.Dancer]

I think I'm related to Chantal Hebert. We look alike. Except with my beard I'm slightly more fem....

[Rue]

Well if you want to go by Genesis then Rue would be descended from Adam and Eve since Genesis traces the line from Adam and Eve to Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob.

I think you lost him past the word well...

[Rue]

I think I'm related to Chantal Hebert. We look alike. Except with my beard I'm slightly more fem....

That was f..cking funny. Well it could be worse. You could look like Rex Murphy.

[margrace]

That was f..cking funny. Well it could be worse. You could look like Rex Murphy.

Ha Ha Ha thats funny

[kengs333]

Well if you want to go by Genesis then Rue would be descended from Adam and Eve since Genesis traces the line from Adam and Eve to Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob.

Not really, because the ancient Israelites went around smiting other nations, and where did they come from? And when the ancient Israelites were done smiting a nation, sometimes they assimilated its people, so Rue could easily be from one of these outside peoples.

[DogOnPorch]

Well if you want to go by Genesis then Rue would be descended from Adam and Eve since Genesis traces the line from Adam and Eve to Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob.

Reminds me of that old Simpsons episode where Homer thinks he's dying from fugu poinoning (blow fish) and stays up all night listening to the Bible as read by Larry King......

And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias.....etc, etc.

---Mathew

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FUGU ME!!!!.

---The Simpsons: One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blow Fish

[jefferiah]

Not really, because the ancient Israelites went around smiting other nations, and where did they come from? And when the ancient Israelites were done smiting a nation, sometimes they assimilated its people, so Rue could easily be from one of these outside peoples.

Well he "could" be yes. And as for the issue of his relatives being the same as yours, you "could" be from the same peoples.

I don't know of any verse in Genesis which specifically refers to other humanoids, but nonetheless such a thing would not matter. If Genesis is your source, then you should follow it completely. After the death of Abel, Cain left and Seth was born. Noah and his family would have been Sethites, direct descendants of Adam and Eve. As I recall Noah and his family were the only ones spared. The house of Noah was divided into the subcategories of his three sons--Shem, Ham and Japheth. Abraham belonged to the Shemite (or Semite) clan. Even if you could establish that Rue was non-Semitic and from an outside people (which you cannot), it would still not change the fact that Biblically he would still be a descendant of Adam and Eve.

God has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth (Acts 17:26).

Another interesting aspect of the whole Biblical clan thing is the split in the house of Israel. Under King David and Solomon the twelve tribes of Israel and the Levites were united as one nation. But after Solomon's death the Kingdom split in two--the Southern Kingdom of Judah, which consisted of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (the Jews) and the Nothern Kingdom of Israel (the other ten tribes). Both nations were attacked and their peoples were sent into exile. But the Northern Kingdom was attacked first by the Assyrians and exiled to a different area. The Bible tells the story of how the southern Kingdom was later attacked by and exiled to Babylon (under Nebuchadnezzar) which later fell to the Medo-Persians (when Neb's heir, Belshazzar, saw the writing on the wall) who later allowed them to go back home (The Esther story). But there is no story of the return of the exiled Ten Tribes of the Northern Kingdom who were attacked by Assyria.

(Note: Jacob (Israel) only had 12 sons, and yet there were 12 tribes plus the seperated Levite clan. That makes thirteen clans from twelve children. What happened here was that Jacob's son Joseph and his descendants actually counted as two tribes--named after Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh--thus accounting for the extra tribe. Kohens are sometimes counted seperately but they are a sub-branch of the Levites, said to be direct descendants of Moses' brother Aaron.)

Edited December 7, 2007 by jefferiah

[jbg]

Not really, because the ancient Israelites went around smiting other nations, and where did they come from? And when the ancient Israelites were done smiting a nation, sometimes they assimilated its people, so Rue could easily be from one of these outside peoples.

Are you on your "Jew-hate" kick today? Maybe the ME was a rough neighborhood even then and if the relatively gentle, cerebral Hebrews (they decreed literacy even then) didn't do some "smiting" we wouldn't be around.

[M.Dancer]

Evolution marches on.....

I searched but I couldn't find it, so here is as good a place as any.

Explosive population growth is driving human evolution to speed up around the world, according to a new study.

The pace of change accelerated about 40,000 years ago and then picked up even more with the advent of agriculture about 10,000 years ago, the study says.

And while humans are evolving quickly around the world, local cultural and environmental factors are shaping evolution differently on different continents.

"We're evolving away from each other. We're getting more and more different," said Henry Harpending, an anthropologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City who co-authored the study

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...-evolution.html