Oppositions

[Topaz]

The oppositions are on Harper about Mulroney that Harper must feel some relief not talking about the torturing of prisoners even though some questions have been asked but not like the past questions periods days. The oppositions have said that the Prez of Afghanistan has said himself, that there were prisoners tortured and yet Harper won't admit that and tried to hide the fact they recieved notice of that was happening from Afghanistan.

[no queenslave]

The oppositions are on Harper about Mulroney that Harper must feel some relief not talking about the torturing of prisoners even though some questions have been asked but not like the past questions periods days. The oppositions have said that the Prez of Afghanistan has said himself, that there were prisoners tortured and yet Harper won't admit that and tried to hide the fact they recieved notice of that was happening from Afghanistan.

With the kind of dictatorship government in Canada what did you expect in how the government acts in Afghanistan?.

Canada is run by colonial powers in the name of a queen.

[capricorn]

Yeah. And the Liberals are so busy flogging the Mulroney-Schreiber dead horse, Canadians don't know where the Liberals stand on anything. Oh, except for their plan to combat the overstated and unsubstantiated poverty problem in Canada. I mean like, they claim over 3 million Canadians are living in poverty in Canada. That's 10% of the population. Give me a break and get real.

If the Liberals weren't so intent on blackening the Conservative party and the Prime Minister, maybe the House could work toward resolving the problems that really afflict this country. And that isn't limited to the treatment of Taliban prisoners.

I guess improving your poll numbers is more important to Liberals than working for Canadians...just in case there's an election in the near future.

[capricorn]

With the kind of dictatorship government in Canada what did you expect in how the government acts in Afghanistan?.

Canada is run by colonial powers in the name of a queen.

That about sums your position on all political issues and your irrelevant contribution to a debate.

[shavluk]

Yeah. And the Liberals are so busy flogging the Mulroney-Schreiber dead horse, Canadians don't know where the Liberals stand on anything. Oh, except for their plan to combat the overstated and unsubstantiated poverty problem in Canada. I mean like, they claim over 3 million Canadians are living in poverty in Canada. That's 10% of the population. Give me a break and get real.

If the Liberals weren't so intent on blackening the Conservative party and the Prime Minister, maybe the House could work toward resolving the problems that really afflict this country. And that isn't limited to the treatment of Taliban prisoners.

I guess improving your poll numbers is more important to Liberals than working for Canadians...just in case there's an election in the near future.

You of course think poverty is something different than most as they refer to income levels.

Many ,many living with nothing , but yes they could have it worse they could be killed by police with tasers for being frustrated with their poverty and brandishing staplers

[capricorn]

Many ,many living with nothing , but yes they could have it worse they could be killed by police with tasers for being frustrated with their poverty and brandishing staplers

You're trying to change the subject. That is dishonest in a true debate. Being poor has nothing to do with the fear of being tasered and you know it.

[M.Dancer]

The oppositions are on Harper about Mulroney that Harper must feel some relief not talking about the torturing of prisoners even though some questions have been asked but not like the past questions periods days. The oppositions have said that the Prez of Afghanistan has said himself, that there were prisoners tortured and yet Harper won't admit that and tried to hide the fact they recieved notice of that was happening from Afghanistan.

We should respect other cultures and not try to impose western standards on people who don't want them. If torture is okay with the Afganis who are we to say it's wrong.

[old_bold&cold]

We are fighting in Afghanistan along side of Afghani soldiers, who are with us in training and also in the fact that they can one day soon stand alone as an official Afghan Army. Any prisoners take by these soldiers are the property of Afghanistan and they are also to be treated as enemy spies, as they do not fight in uniform and they do not form what is constituted as an army. Most countries where spies are cought, they are put to death. I would imagine that this possibility is forever on the minds of those captured. We do have rules for how wars are fought and we should all abide by them, no matter where we are. The threat of death to be found in an enemy country, and fighting out of uniform has always been more then enough to be classified a spy, and therefore the threat of death is not torture but just a fact of reality. If this is the worst that ever happens in a combat area then we are definitely doing many things right. For any of these guys to be still living to claim torture is a fact that the Afghanni soldiers are being very restrained in thier methods.

[scribblet]

We should respect other cultures and not try to impose western standards on people who don't want them. If torture is okay with the Afganis who are we to say it's wrong.

Cultures are all equal right, just another piece in the mosaic

[M.Dancer]

Cultures are all equal right, just another piece in the mosaic

Exactly. Everytime someone brings up the fact that Canadians are not torturing afghanis,.....I mean everytime someone trys to implicate canadians I just want to point out that good moral equivilentists don't impose our morals on others.

We aren't there to bring western morals...just stability. Torture was okay when the Taliban were doing it so no need to worry when it is done to them by their countrymen...who are also okay with it.

....anyway, this would be a non issue if we would just stop taking prisoners.

[Topaz]

Let recap the reasons we are in Afghanistan. The US said that OBL was responsible for 9/11, even though OBL said twice he had nothing to do with that. The US said the Taliban had training camps inside their country that were being used by OBL gang. So in went the US fought the Taliban quickly, then left to overthrow Hussein. Canada went in because we did have Canadians die on 9/11. Canada does want to help Afghanistan but you can't help a country and its people when you have a corrupt governement like Karzai's, who was setup by the US, just like Iraq is! Canada did more peacekkeping than search and kill and now that Harper has made Canada be a search and kill military like the US, we have problems within the government and the military. The latest two soldiers killed were in LIGHT amour vehicle, and I would think the military should know better than to have ours guys in these, only to be killed by the roadside bombs going off! I don't know what Harper's thinking was when he extended the mission but he should have had more info on this before he did it. His own inexperience, in government and of war is showing.

[M.Dancer]

Let recap the reasons we are in Afghanistan. The US said that OBL was responsible for 9/11, even though OBL said twice he had nothing to do with that.

And.....the tapes where he does take credt for it are lost on you?

"We decided to destroy towers in America," bin Laden said, adding that the attack was carried out because "we are a free people ... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page...T20041029d.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2490303.stm

[Keepitsimple]

I know we've been through all of the torture stuff before.....but I have a lot of trouble trying to force Afghanis to completely abandon any semblance of torture - as if you could turn off some magic switch. The Taliban routinely mutilate bodies, chop off heads, and hang what's left of the bodies from trees to strike fear and terror into the minds of people who would - heaven forbid - cooperate with the democratically elected government of Afghanistan. Ask yourself honestly - if we had Taliban-like insuregents in Canada who routinely kidnapped innocent civilians and cut off noses, ears and heads - and hung them from your backyard tree - don't you think that SOME Canadians would think it reasonable to torture some captives to get information that would help to stop or reduce the bloodshed?......and that's right here in "civilized" Canada. Picture your wife and son with body parts missing. How dare we moralize about a situation that we could never, ever understand. How dare we!

[Moxie]

We should respect other cultures and not try to impose western standards on people who don't want them. If torture is okay with the Afganis who are we to say it's wrong.

I concur Dance, when the Liberals sent the troops to Afghanistan did they have a ROE regarding enemy combatants? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo, Harper must be tired of cleaning up after the Liberals.