Quebec anglo students denounce discrimination

[Leafless]

That is a very stupid statement. There are 3 english universities in Quebec, 3 english hospitals, more than 4 english colleges.

And the English paid for these schools and hospitals.

We never abolished english education.

That is because they are obliged to by 'Charter Rights'.

Most of other provinces in Canada abolished french education in the past century.

No they have not.

Other provinces are also bound by 'Charter Rights' to provide a French education but where 'Numbers Warrant' and Ontario provides Cadillac services for francophones all paid for by mainly by majority Ontario tax payers.

So, in terms of racist, I would say that is rest of Canada is way more racist.

Your dreaming!

Quebec is more racist as they are also bound to provide an English education where 'Numbers Warrant' but also add the discriminatory factor that if the parents of the children were raised by a French education anywhere in the world, they MUST send their children to a French school.

Its still Nazi Germany in Quebec.

[Duke33]

And the English paid for these schools and hospitals.

That is because they are obliged to by 'Charter Rights'.

No they have not.

Other provinces are also bound by 'Charter Rights' to provide a French education but where 'Numbers Warrant' and Ontario provides Cadillac services for francophones all paid for by mainly by majority Ontario tax payers.

Your dreaming!

Quebec is more racist as they are also bound to provide an English education where 'Numbers Warrant' but also add the discriminatory factor that if the parents of the children were raised by a French education anywhere in the world, they MUST send their children to a French school.

Its still Nazi Germany in Quebec.

Most of what you said are lies. I will show you point by point.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Duke33

[Duke33]

And the English paid for these schools and hospitals.

First lie: This is the money that was given by the Quebec government to English hospital, which at the time was the bad PQ.

The Montreal Jewish (111 millions)

The Montreal General (119 millions)

The Royal Victoria (143 millions)

Kateri Memorial Hospital Centre - Kahnawake

Lakeshore General

Reddy Memorial

Catherine Booth Hospital

Montreal Children (62 millions)

Lindsay Hospital (10 millions)

Richardson General (8 millions)

St. Mary's (53 millions)

Montreal Neurological Institute (19 millions)

Douglas Memorial (63 millions)

Queen Elizabeth Hospital

Gatineau Memorial (3 millions de dollars)

Sherbrooke Geriatric University Institute (28 millions)

Barrie Memorial (6 millions)

Jewish Readaptation Hospital (10 millions)

In Quebec, there is around 800 000 Anglophones for 18 Anglophone hospitals.

In Ontario, there is around 400 000 francophone, but there is 1 francophone hospital.

Is that racist? Witch province threats its minority better?

Source : Budget des établissements de santé du Québec 1997-1998

Edited November 25, 2007 by Duke33

[Leafless]

First lie: This is the money that was given by the Quebec government to English hospital, which at the time was the bad PQ.

These hospitals are provincially funded for a reason as originally they were paid for by the English and privately funded.

Quebec has taken them over and these hospitals also serve the general French population of Quebec. Good deal I would say, after the English built them.

They have forcefully become bilingual hospitals, where as English speaking nurses cannot work there unless they pass Quebec official language proficiency test.

In Quebec, there is around 800 000 Anglophones for 18 Anglophone hospitals.

They are originally English hospitals taken from the English and transformed into bilingual hospitals to fill the needs of French Quebecers.

In Ontario, there is around 400 000 francophone, but there is 1 francophone hospital.

Is that racist? Witch province threats its minority better?

Well, Ontario cannot steal French hospitals from the French in Ontario and make them bilingual because there are none to steal.

Even the one Francophone hospital ( the Montfort) was constructed thanks to the majority English tax paying residents of Ontario even though it also serves as a teaching hospital for QUEBEC DOCTORS as well as serving QUEBEC PATIENTS. English patients are welcome but from the complaints I have heard about staff unable to communicate in English adequately, what English speaking person would want to go to that hospital.

Besides, neither Ontario nor Quebec are 'officially bilingual provinces' although Ottawa hospitals in Ontario thanks to a forced municipal bilingual, undemocratic language policy as transformed virtually every Ottawa hospital into a bilingual English/French hospital.

Quebec is the more racist naturally, because they do not only steal English hospitals in Quebec, they force hospital staff including English speaking nurses to speak French or be fired.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Leafless

[jefferiah]

I dont know if this actually belongs on this thread, but I am a Habs fan and I wonder if anyone here has heard of the recent outrage in Quebec over team captain Saku Koivu's inability to parlez vous.

This was apparently quite an issue. But coach Guy Carbonneau and fellow Hab Mathieu Dandenault rose in Koivu's defense. Carbonneau said that this is a hockey team not a political toy and that we speak English in the dressing room and everyone understands, and everyone is fine with that.

The fact that some people in Quebec get outraged over Habs players not being able to parlez vous is beyond me. After a game on RDS last year a commentator they were interviewing after said that Kovalev needs to go and we need more French Canadians on the team.

I love the Habs, but how ungrateful are some of these Franco-phone purists. Koivu afterall single handedly did a great deal of fund raising to bring a special scanning machine to a hospital in the city, and all some people can think about are what language he speaks.

[M.Dancer]

I dont know if this actually belongs on this thread, but I am a Habs fan and I wonder if anyone here has heard of the recent outrage in Quebec over team captain Saku Koivu's inability to parlez vous.

This was apparently quite an issue. But coach Guy Carbonneau and fellow Hab Mathieu Dandenault rose in Koivu's defense. Carbonneau said that this is a hockey team not a political toy and that we speak English in the dressing room and everyone understands, and everyone is fine with that.

The fact that some people in Quebec get outraged over Habs players not being able to parlez vous is beyond me. After a game on RDS last year a commentator they were interviewing after said that Kovalev needs to go and we need more French Canadians on the team.

I love the Habs, but how ungrateful are some of these Franco-phone purists. Koivu afterall single handedly did a great deal of fund raising to bring a special scanning machine to a hospital in the city, and all some people can think about are what language he speaks.

And you know, it's not like he's a nativeborn canadian who may have had french as part of his curricullum....

[jbg]

The fact that some people in Quebec get outraged over Habs players not being able to parlez vous is beyond me. After a game on RDS last year a commentator they were interviewing after said that Kovalev needs to go and we need more French Canadians on the team.

Call it by its real name; racism.

[seabee]

I agree.

Koivu's attitude is racist.

[jefferiah]

I agree.

Koivu's attitude is racist.

Are you serious? Carbonneau himself says he speaks English in the dressing room. And his francophone teammates have no problem with that either. The Habs are not property of the Quebec Government. There are no Francophones on the team right now worthy of taking the C from Koivu. There are a lot of great Quebec born players. How many of them want to be Habs? There is a big market out there.

English is a much more pracitical language to learn if you are a foreigner coming to play hockey in the NHL. 30 teams. 29 of them are in English majority cities.

Edited November 26, 2007 by jefferiah

[seabee]

This is just making it worse. If he indeed speaks french, why does he not speak it in public?

[jefferiah]

This is just making it worse. If he indeed speaks french, why does he not speak it in public?

What exactly are you talking about? I said he doesn't speak French. No one said he speaks French. I said that Guy Carbonneau and the other players all use English in the dressing room. They have no problem with Koivu. Higgins can't speak French. Neither can Komisarek. They are both American, and they are both better than any Francophone player we currently have on the team. Kovalev cannot speak French. Koivu is there to play hockey not to be part of some petty language dispute. And the team (francophone and anglophone alike) all respect his Captainship. Why should you care?

Not to mention the fact that you would think the complainers here could overlook this inability to parlez vous and show at least some shred of thankfulness over the fact that he raised money to help out a hospital in the city.

Edited November 26, 2007 by jefferiah

[Duke33]

These hospitals are provincially funded for a reason as originally they were paid for by the English and privately funded.

Quebec has taken them over and these hospitals also serve the general French population of Quebec. Good deal I would say, after the English built them.

They have forcefully become bilingual hospitals, where as English speaking nurses cannot work there unless they pass Quebec official language proficiency test.

They are originally English hospitals taken from the English and transformed into bilingual hospitals to fill the needs of French Quebecers.

Well, Ontario cannot steal French hospitals from the French in Ontario and make them bilingual because there are none to steal.

Even the one Francophone hospital ( the Montfort) was constructed thanks to the majority English tax paying residents of Ontario even though it also serves as a teaching hospital for QUEBEC DOCTORS as well as serving QUEBEC PATIENTS. English patients are welcome but from the complaints I have heard about staff unable to communicate in English adequately, what English speaking person would want to go to that hospital.

Besides, neither Ontario nor Quebec are 'officially bilingual provinces' although Ottawa hospitals in Ontario thanks to a forced municipal bilingual, undemocratic language policy as transformed virtually every Ottawa hospital into a bilingual English/French hospital.

Quebec is the more racist naturally, because they do not only steal English hospitals in Quebec, they force hospital staff including English speaking nurses to speak French or be fired.

Lol, most of your answer are lies. You like Quebec bashing and lies, don't you. By the way, Quebec is so racist that they are one of the most bilingual nations on heath!

By the way, those hospitals were French, than Anglophone stole it to French.

Could you work only in French in Alberta, NO.? Why could you world only in French in Quebec.

You think like an American. BTW, I don’t understand why we aren’t part of USA. Without Quebec, we aren’t different from the USA.

Try to go in England and work in French, doesn't work.

Edited November 27, 2007 by Duke33

[Leafless]

Lol, most of your answer are lies.

Well I am waiting , prove me wrong.

You like Quebec bashing and lies, don't you.

What I post is factual information.

By the way, Quebec is so racist that they are one of the most bilingual nations on heath!

If so, why is Quebec not officially bilingual.

They started all this language crapolla.

Could you work only in French in Alberta, NO.? Why could you world only in French in Quebec. ['quote]

Because of Quebec's racist language laws.

Quebec is not a country and why Quebec is allowed to use the 'notwithstanding clause, year after year while other Canadian provinces cannot do the same is more rampant discrimination against English speaking Canadians who cannot officially designate their entire province officially English.

You think like an American. BTW, I don’t understand why we aren’t part of USA. Without Quebec, we aren’t different from the USA.

I also think we are fully Americanized to the point where there is very little difference between Canadian and U.S. culture.

I never did see anything unique about Quebec other than the fact English Canada foots the bill supporting Quebec's imaginary difference.

[Oleg Bach]

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...9ae&k=92680

This further proof that the federal government continues to ignore the rights of other non- French Canadians in Quebec.

It should be clear to the federal government at this time that Quebec has no desire to abide by Charter laws as it still refuses to sign the Constitution of Canada, which indicates Quebec is making a 'fool of Canadian laws' by abusing the 'notwithstanding clause' and the federal government lacks the incentive to amend the Constitution and to lay down the law and put Quebec in its place.

There was a French Canadian woman who called me "an English Bastard" - she has been taught from birth to hate - meanwhile I am a slav - you would think that hate was accurate.

[AngusThermopyle]

you would think that hate was accurate.

Hate is based on emotion, nothing to do with accuracy at all. I would have thought your superior intellect would be able to fathom that salient point.

[Duke33]

What about the language law in Nunavut, is that racist?

[Leafless]

What about the language law in Nunavut, is that racist?

I would say any language law dictated or allowed by any Canadian government that overrides the majority language of the country is racist.

Not only that but presents a great burden on the Canadian economy to support yet another culture and all the legalities that go with it.

It seems that the Nunavut are not happy with their own proposed language laws and want something that the French language in Quebec enjoys.

The Qikiqtani Inuit Associ­ation says the Government of Nunavut must bring in new laws that would give the Inuit language the same status within Nunavut that the French language enjoys.

http://www.nunatsiaq.com/archives/2007/706.../70629_253.html

You can check out the proposed language legislation, Bill-6, Numavut Official languages Act.

http://www.assembly.nu.ca/english/bills/current.html

[Brain Candy]

Can't Quebec just stop beating around the issue and seperate? Different heritage, different laws, different language, Its pretty much a seperate state anyway.

[jbg]

Can't Quebec just stop beating around the issue and seperate? Different heritage, different laws, different language, Its pretty much a seperate state anyway.

With or without their compensating Canada for the infrastructure they'd put their paws on?

[Duke33]

With or without their compensating Canada for the infrastructure they'd put their paws on?

If they go, they will have to pay.

[Duke33]

I would say any language law dictated or allowed by any Canadian government that overrides the majority language of the country is racist.

Not only that but presents a great burden on the Canadian economy to support yet another culture and all the legalities that go with it.

It seems that the Nunavut are not happy with their own proposed language laws and want something that the French language in Quebec enjoys.

http://www.nunatsiaq.com/archives/2007/706.../70629_253.html

You can check out the proposed language legislation, Bill-6, Numavut Official languages Act.

http://www.assembly.nu.ca/english/bills/current.html

I don’t think like you. I think that when a majority is killing a minority, that is racist.

[jbg]

If they go, they will have to pay.

With what money?

[Leafless]

I don’t think like you. I think that when a majority is killing a minority, that is racist.

If the majority catered to minority demands, you would have a totally chaotic state.

And that is what we have now, a totally chaotic state.

The horse is riding in the cart!

[Leafless]

I don’t think like you. I think that when a majority is killing a minority, that is racist.

Large groups rebelling against the political status quo in this country is not what I would refer to as 'the majority killing the minority' but as anarchy.