An example of "Diversity" crossing the moral line.

[Moxie]

This is a prime example of the far leftest idiology being forced down "Everyone's" throat. I will provide a couple of links for blogs that broke this story. This isn't diversity training, forcing female students to answer questions on their sexuality is absurb. The program tought students that all European "White" people are racist blah blah. Communism is alive and well and spreading in Univerities these days, why for gawds sake. Socialism and Communism has resulted in the death of millions, only Islam rivels these twisted idiologies.

Story: University of Delaware President Patrick Harker is to be commended for pulling the plug on a program that turned the quest for tolerance and understanding upside down. A report from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education showed that the university's residential life program made a mockery of intellectual freedom in the way it treated students living in its dormitories.

Students were subjected to what can only be called intimidation and indoctrination on the issues of race and sexual identity.

The foundation is in the business of exposing this kind of intolerance on campuses, so it might be accused of political bias. However, when students came forth to back up the claim, university officials were duty bound to end it. The newly installed president's immediate and forceful action ends what at best can be called a several-year-old, but seriously misguided effort.

Students from all backgrounds need to meet and learn about people who are different from themselves. Not only do they need to get along in the dorms, but that's what the world beyond the campus requires. That is not the same as trying to indoctrinate and pressure newly arrived freshmen into accepting reverse racial stereotypes and delving into sexual politics. At UD, students had been subjected to training that equates all white people with racists and urged to reveal their deepest sexual secrets either in public gatherings or to an official.

College spokesmen at furst downplayed the matter by claiming some lower-ranking officials went too far or that such meetings were not mandatory.

That's not what students said. Students were told the meetings were required. If they didn't show up, there were confrontations with residence officials or e-mails asking where they were.

That was not teaching tolerance. It was an abuse of power. Thankfully, it's gone.

Link: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...26/1112/OPINION

More can be found at this blog: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/02/hot-...sor-speaks-out/

If you follow the links on the blog you will be able to read what the course tought, if it doesn't scare you put down the greatest works of Carl Marx and get out of the house.

[kengs333]

That is frightening. Thanks for posting.

[maxsyno]

Course Description

"Whiteness is a concept that must be defined historically. However, the power of White privilege has subverted history, perpetuating the perception that Whiteness does not exist nor is it privileged. Typically history is written by those who have won but this course will give voice to those who have been silenced. We will uncover how White privilege has evolved, how it is perpetuated and what we can do in our roles to unhinge its power".

What is wrong with this?

It is of the absolute essence of Western culture. On further reading many a student could only identify three races. This is appalling. Obviously they need to know there environment. The fact is is that these very ignorant students will move on to shape our policies. They need to be educated to do this.

"This conference is designed to assist college student educators reconceptualize identity development to be more inclusive of intersections among students' multiple identities and to create more inclusive learning environments. Some of the issues that might be raised at this conference include: How does the cross section of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, class, ability, and religion shape our students? Ourselves? How do we attend to the tension between building multiracial communities on our campuses while balancing the needs of students individually? How can we create learning environments within and across these identity categories while attempting to "do no harm, but benefit to all?" To what extent does the current generation of college students care about differences within and among these social constructs? How does the lack of knowledge about oppression, power and privilege affect intergroup dynamics and communication? How can educators assist students who are unaware or don't care about societal privilege as it relates to the construct of race and other identities?"

Again, absolutely necessary. These students are the ones that shape the future.

On reading the course description of one of the above outlines, nowhere did I see that these were compulsory. However, if they were so be it.

Who knows what this campus was like before they adopted these courses. Perhaps it was laden with bigotry. Perhaps it was a response to a bad reputation and so fourth (it happens you know).

However, if students were REALLY forced to answer questionaires then there is a problem. Id rather think that they felt compelled to or rather obligated to do so through there own naivity.

The thing is that universities exist because of the very material they study which is the world, religion, culture and more. It is only fair then that students also undergo analysis. Why? Because their own subjective views of white privilege, of sexuality and more WILL FRAME there research. Thus people unwittingly maybe subject to a researchers bias/prejudice view without even realising it. It happens. Our future researchers, policy makers etc need to be analysed as well as the working class, culture, religion and more. Fairs fair!

You would not want a bigot making important decisions in government now would you.

Edited November 8, 2007 by maxsyno

[Black Dog]

If you follow the links on the blog you will be able to read what the course tought, if it doesn't scare you put down the greatest works of Carl Marx and get out of the house.

Was Carl the one that never spoke?

[guyser]

Was Carl the one that never spoke?

No , that was Darryl. Carl was a doorman.

[ScottSA]

You would not want a bigot making important decisions in government now would you.[/b]

I would far rather a "bigot" be making decisions than a thoroughly cowed and emasculated moron indoctrinated in feminist and multicult theory. You seem to have forgotten that universities are supposed to be teaching the liberal exchange of ideas, not orthodoxies of the left.

[RedDaVinci]

This is a prime example of the far leftest [ideology] being forced down "Everyone's" throat. I will provide a couple of links for blogs that broke this story. This isn't diversity training, forcing female students to answer questions on their sexuality is [absurd]. The program [taught] students that all European "White" people are racist blah blah. Communism is alive and well and spreading in [universities] these days, why for [God's] sake. Socialism and Communism has resulted in the death of millions, only Islam [rivals] these twisted [ideologies].

No... no. Stop there. I have never heard something so narrow-minded in my entire life.

I don't care about how you feel about this isolated incident. This is not a place for you to plug your right-winged fundamentalist nonsense.

In order... Socialism and Communism are based on the extreme of humanitarian behaviour and attitudes toward each other. As ideologies, they are wonderful things. But given how the Autocratic Socialism that was Russia, and China, etc... it's easy to see why a narrow-minded right-winged fundamentalist would believe that the ideology is inherently evil, not the people who have historically abused it.

Second, I cannot tolerate this bigoted nonsense about Islam being evil, or a "twisted ideology" as you put it. Fundamentalist Islam is one of the most tolerant, humanitarian religions of all, miles ahead of even Christianity.

If you're referring to the sort of Islam that terrorists claim to follow, the word you're looking for is "extremism". And I think that throughout history... Christianity has been no halo-bearing ideology, either, when practiced by extremists with weapons, fighting in the name of "God".

[SVTman]

if you can't stand it as you so claim then why the HELL ARE YOU ON HERE. it is the same thing as sticking you hand in a fire it doesn't feel good i wont do that again. or did you never learn that. now about the topic i would say that on paper that looks like it could be a very good class for freshmen to take to make sure that everyone is being nice to eachother but i would say that it is beating a dead horse. leave it alone already. i understand that there are still retards out there that are racist. but if you can' t hear it and just let it go then you are just as retarded as them. and with that kind of class description i can see how it would very easaly be taken to far. and personaly i wouldn't want to anwser some of the questions they asked. for my own reasons. nothing to hide i just don't think that it is stuff you need to be hearing about me. Like your Sexual life is yours don't tell others about it. that is why i like the militarys aspect of it. Don't ask Don't tell. it makes it easyer.

[jefferiah]

No... no. Stop there. I have never heard something so narrow-minded in my entire life.

I don't care about how you feel about this isolated incident. This is not a place for you to plug your right-winged fundamentalist nonsense.

Christianity has been no halo-bearing ideology, either, when practiced by extremists with weapons, fighting in the name of "God".

Well, yes it is a place for her to express her right-winged ideas. In case you didn't notice this is a Political chat. There is a right wing and a left wing. This is not Rabble Babble where the socialist crowd is all sharing a brain cell and banning those who have their own brain cells.

And also, Moxie is not a fundamentalist Christian.

Edited November 9, 2007 by jefferiah

[Michael Hardner]

It's not really clear from this how much of this was individuals going too far, and how much of it was part of the program. With a lot of these complaints, certain types like to blow them up as though there's a giant menace out there when in fact it's usually just a few people who went over the line.

Specifically, the allegation is that people were forced to answer private questions such as 'when did you become aware of your sexuality' as part of living in residence, and asked personal political questions in public.

It's not clear, though, that these questions came from anybody in authority. University officials stepped in after the complaints.

All in all, this seems like another 'War on Christmas' tempest-in-a-teapot.

Speaking of which, it's almost 'war on Christmas' time again !

[Moxie]

Once I see the word diversity, I usually stop reading. Really it's the new buzz word from the far leftoids, it has replaced multiculturalism. Spit.

Redwhatever wrote: Second, I cannot tolerate this bigoted nonsense about Islam being evil, or a "twisted ideology" as you put it. Fundamentalist Islam is one of the most tolerant, humanitarian religions of all, miles ahead of even Christianity.

I could careless what you tolerate, Wahhabi Islam is a viscious cult. A female hating religion/cult that won't be happy until women disappear literally under a black sheet. Islam is a religion that dicates that Muslims only donate to "Islamic Charities" you should really do your homework. On a side note could you give me one example of how it's a Humanitarian Religion. Just one in the past century will do, now it must be an example that isn't Islam on Islam let us Infidels feel the "LOVE".

On a humorous note here's the Politically Correct Dictionary: http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=432

B for bigot:Bigoted - used to describe those who refuse to view all lifestyles, religions, cultures and deviances as equally valid.

I can live with being called a "White Bigot", as long as I'm not called a Socialist which is the most offensive thing anyone could call me.

Here's another story on the indoctoration of our young by the PC leftards: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=52335

Snippet: Another school has been "teaching" Islam by having students study and learn Muslim prayers and dress as Muslims, and a lawyer who argued a previous dispute over this issue to the U.S. Supreme Court said such methodologies wouldn't "last 10 seconds" if it were Christianity being taught.

"Would it have been 'just cultural education' if students were in simulated baptisms, wearing a crucifix, having taken the name of St. John and with praise banners saying 'Praise be to Jesus Christ' on classroom walls?" asked Edward White III, of the Thomas More Law Center.

Supt. Don Grotting

His comments came after a new protest arose in Nyssa, Ore., where one parent raised objections when the Islamic teachings came to light. The district there, according to Supt. Don Grotting, is teaching a chapter in a history textbook "Journey Across Time" that talks about "how civilization has developed and some of the particular aspects of Islam."

Forcing little girls to coverup and convert to Islam, wow these people are barking bloody mad. I'd file a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal, my complaint would be "Discrimination, females have a fundamental rights of equality" and move on from their. Equality for women isn't a tenant of Islam, in fact we are worth half of a man. Ergo the school forced females to become second class citizens infringing on the right to equality. Absurb. Nope I've read worst articles, the US has gone PC mad. God help the little girls, the sensible shoe wearing feminist are mute as per the norm.

[RedDaVinci]

Well, yes it is a place for her to express her right-winged ideas. In case you didn't notice this is a Political chat. There is a right wing and a left wing. This is not Rabble Babble where the socialist crowd is all sharing a brain cell and banning those who have their own brain cells.

And also, Moxie is not a fundamentalist Christian.

Fundamentalist does not necessarily mean Christian fundamentalist.

And you can express all the right-winged ideas you want until you're blue in the face, it just doesn't make sense to plug them uselessly and claim that people who disagree are strange nazi-hippies or whatever you call leftists.

[Moxie]

Fundamentalist does not necessarily mean Christian fundamentalist.

And you can express all the right-winged ideas you want until you're blue in the face, it just doesn't make sense to plug them uselessly and claim that people who disagree are strange nazi-hippies or whatever you call leftists.

To scared to rebuttal me on a personal level their RedDapinky? I'm a hippy, gasp I have two composters and I buy only used goods. All my furniture is one hundred years old, I drive an echo friendly car. I Rarely mention the big guy (aka Jesus) unless I'm defending the rights of the religious right to have an opinion. You see the leftoids (far leftards and NDP) want complete compliance or else not the Right.

I smell Commie feminists, aka, I'll never work a day in my life because I have fibro a madeup desease of the mind, or lack there of. Hark is that: Blather Slather and Lather and Marxism in the 21st century, all five of those forum members seem to be visiting lately please make the pinkos feel welcome.

Embrace diversity, shun your whiteness because if you are white you are evilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

[capricorn]

Forcing little girls to coverup and convert to Islam, wow these people are barking bloody mad. I'd file a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal, my complaint would be "Discrimination, females have a fundamental rights of equality" and move on from their. Equality for women isn't a tenant of Islam, in fact we are worth half of a man. Ergo the school forced females to become second class citizens infringing on the right to equality.

Moxie, I think Jean Charest Premier of Quebec would agree with you. He wants to bring in legislation to protect women against discrimination on the basis of religion.

Jean Charest wants to amend Quebec's Charter of Rights to give precedence to the equality of women and men over other rights, including freedom of religion.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/colu...9a-db36f98894fc

I would support that legislation.

[guyser]

On a side note could you give me one example of how it's a Humanitarian Religion. Just one in the past century will do, now it must be an example that isn't Islam on Islam let us Infidels feel the "LOVE".

http://www.islamic-relief.com/

T'wasn't hard.

[jefferiah]

Fundamentalist does not necessarily mean Christian fundamentalist.

And you can express all the right-winged ideas you want until you're blue in the face, it just doesn't make sense to plug them uselessly and claim that people who disagree are strange nazi-hippies or whatever you call leftists.

Oh you mean Useful Idiots.

People say things when they are upset. Leftists do the same. Go over to Rabble.ca. Over there they dont just spout leftism if you dont agree, they ban you if you disagree on any matter. Here there is a mixture of left and right. If you don't like discussion (though sometimes it gets heated) you can go over to Rabble and join the mindless chearleeding squad.

Edited November 10, 2007 by jefferiah

[ScottSA]

No... no. Stop there. I have never heard something so narrow-minded in my entire life.

I don't care about how you feel about this isolated incident. This is not a place for you to plug your right-winged fundamentalist nonsense.

Of course it is. It's a political BB. Did you miss that?

In order... Socialism and Communism are based on the extreme of humanitarian behaviour and attitudes toward each other. As ideologies, they are wonderful things. But given how the Autocratic Socialism that was Russia, and China, etc... it's easy to see why a narrow-minded right-winged fundamentalist would believe that the ideology is inherently evil, not the people who have historically abused it.

It's not hard to see how a narrow minded and starry eyed leftist might become so boggled in theory that they allow themselves to dismiss praxis, which is, after all, the only practical manifestation of Marx's beard droolings. I remember a leftist professor (yes, leftist...maybe I'll explain that one to you some day too...) once, many years ago, bemoaning the fact that the holocaust had given such a bad name to national socialism, because after all NS was the perfect Platonic model of society. In any event, ideological communism is not, not was it ever meant to be "the extreme of humanitarian behaviour." It was meant to be, if one considers marx to be the father of it, to be rather a vicious revolution ending in a collectivist utopia in which the individual is subsumed by the collective. Hence the importation of the Hegelian dialectic and all that stuff that you've probably never heard of.

Second, I cannot tolerate this bigoted nonsense about Islam being evil, or a "twisted ideology" as you put it. Fundamentalist Islam is one of the most tolerant, humanitarian religions of all, miles ahead of even Christianity.

This is of course the height of irony, but I doubt you see it. You can't tolerate intolerance, eh? Especially when it's an intolerance that disagrees with your intolerance. Do you know anything about Islam at all, or do you just buy into the standard "religion of peace" bumper sticker academics?

If you're referring to the sort of Islam that terrorists claim to follow, the word you're looking for is "extremism". And I think that throughout history... Christianity has been no halo-bearing ideology, either, when practiced by extremists with weapons, fighting in the name of "God".

This is of course the standard lowbrow leftist mantra, that those folks who holler "Allahu Akbar" just prior to detonating are fundamentalists, but the multitudes of Muslims who cheer them on and sanctify them as the Islamic version of saints, are "moderates." How silly.

Really, where do these people come from? Why is it that leftists somehow imagine that they are more clever than other folks, simply by virtue of their astounding ability to stick their heads firmly in the sand and refuse to budge them?

[RedDaVinci]

Whatever you say. I see I've struck a nerve in your rightist hearts.... that's usually when you start pointing the finger at me and accusing me of being a leftist. I'm not.

I came here and I saw somebody making a vapid generalization about the ideology of communism. I'm not blind to history. It never worked and probably never will. Nothing I said was "starry-eyed". I just wanted to clear up the fact that the theory was not inherently evil and said nothing about killing or starving anyone like has happened to tens of millions in the past.

And I cannot just say nothing when somebody outright claims that Islam is a twisted religion. There is something seriously wrong with such a bigoted statement. There's a difference between extremism and fundamentalism in Islam.

Right now we have a bunch of Bill O'Rilley wannabes making a lot of noise, not listening to what is being said, and after labeling the so-called "leftist", making self-righteous recommendations about his behaviour.

[jefferiah]

Whatever you say. I see I've struck a nerve in your rightist hearts....

Lol, don't flatter yourself.

[RedDaVinci]

Lol, don't flatter yourself.

I don't think that upsetting people in any way improves my self-image. But when a non-rightist is accused of being far-left because he has some different ideas, I assume you're either incredibly ignorant or indignant. I have faith that you're just indignant.

[jefferiah]

I don't think that upsetting people in any way improves my self-image. But when a non-rightist is accused of being far-left because he has some different ideas, I assume you're either incredibly ignorant or indignant. I have faith that you're just indignant.

And when did I make this accusation?

[ScottSA]

And I cannot just say nothing when somebody outright claims that Islam is a twisted religion. There is something seriously wrong with such a bigoted statement. There's a difference between extremism and fundamentalism in Islam.

There is much more wrong with a kneejerk defence of Islam. Do you know anything about it? Have you taken the time to read the historical life of Mohammed, or the actual Koran? Because if you had, you'd know that Islam, whether or not it is a "twisted" religion, is a damned vicious, intolerant, violent, and wholly unsavory religion from any civilized standpoint. It began with the psychotic musings of a spoiled pretty boy, evolved into a militant sect, whereupon the founder practiced rape, murder, highway robbery, and pedophilia, whilst claiming his actions were sanctioned by God. Before he was finished his proto acid trip, he managed to slaughter 2 tribes of Jews, enslave a third, sack Medina, and bring a large area in the middle east under the heel of tyranny...setting the stage for several centuries of terror and rapine throughout the east, and several jaunts into Europe, just stopped in the nick of time.

But you don't know any of this, do you? The extent of your knowledge is Cair's ramblings about it all being a misinterpretation, and Islam really being a religion of peace. You can call me "bigoted," but bigoted or not, that's the truth.

[Moxie]

Whatever you say. I see I've struck a nerve in your rightist hearts.... that's usually when you start pointing the finger at me and accusing me of being a leftist. I'm not.

I came here and I saw somebody making a vapid generalization about the ideology of communism. I'm not blind to history. It never worked and probably never will. Nothing I said was "starry-eyed". I just wanted to clear up the fact that the theory was not inherently evil and said nothing about killing or starving anyone like has happened to tens of millions in the past.

And I cannot just say nothing when somebody outright claims that Islam is a twisted religion. There is something seriously wrong with such a bigoted statement. There's a difference between extremism and fundamentalism in Islam.

Right now we have a bunch of Bill O'Rilley wannabes making a lot of noise, not listening to what is being said, and after labeling the so-called "leftist", making self-righteous recommendations about his behaviour.

There are over 82 versions of Islam which ones are you talking about? Wahhabi Islam is a man made cult, I'd give you a link but you really need to do some reading on Islam. I recommend the Koran, it's a great read if you like blood, violence and rape. It reminds me of a War Book, how to wage one that is. Not really a problem in the year 700, but it doesn't work well in the 21st century.

Here is a Muslim's perspective of Islam, of course the leftards usually dismiss the moderate Muslims as incorrect or wrong because they the leftards know better. Here's what a Muslim has to say about Islam

Link: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/190080.php

Snippet: Making Something From Nothing »

November 10, 2007

Nonie Darwish at YAF: "Islam is.... a totalitarian state"

The featured speaker at the Young America's Foundation luncheon today was human rights activist Nonie Darwish, author of Now They Call Me Infidel: Why I Renounced Jihad for America, Israel, and the War on Terror .

While the speakers earlier this morning were good, I have to be honest and say that Nonie's talk was the only one I was enthusiastic about. To hear about the other talks, go check out Gateway Pundit.

Ms. Darwish opened by telling the story of how her father was assassinated by Mossad agents in Egypt. Her father was a high level officer in the Egyptian Army in charge of operations in the Sinai against Israel during the early 1950s.

She recounted how difficult it was for her mother to do simple tasks such as drive a car since there was no man of the house. How in her mother's generation over 90% of Egyptian women underwent the horrible procedure of genital mutilation. Clearly, the place of women in Muslim countries is as second class citizen.

Here's another site worth viewing: http://www.reformislam.org/

Gasp Moderate Muslims want to abolish Sharia Law.

[RedDaVinci]

I couldn't give a hoot about the violent incidents mentioned in the Qur'an. The Bible is no different.

But I live in Montreal. I see people of all creeds and races living their lives together. I see Muslims of every kind going about their business, not harming anybody and I have not to this day heard a single one of them refer to another religion as being blasphemous. Most Muslim people I know contribute greatly to the community and are still very fervent to their religion, wearing the hijab for example, at all times.

If there was something inherently evil about the religion that was more so than Christianity or Judaism, I think I would have seen it by now. Don't start telling me that they're not living in the "true spirit" of Islam, I have never seen people so devoted to their religion in my life. These are Muslims of all kinds.

I have studied the Islamic people as they are today and how they act in accordance to their religion and the world at large simultaneously. And I keep coming to the same conclusion, that there are "extremists" and there are "moderates". If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you try to prove to me and the rest of the world that there are more extremists than moderates? That's a good start to prove that Islam is a "twisted ideology".

[ScottSA]

If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you try to prove to me and the rest of the world that there are more extremists than moderates? That's a good start to prove that Islam is a "twisted ideology".

Right. There were more moderate Nazis than extremists. In fact, most Nazis didn't have anything to do with killing people. By your criteria, then, National Socialism is a fine ideology.

PS: The Koran and the New Testament are at opposing ends of the spectrum.

Edited November 12, 2007 by ScottSA