Six Nations' "Embassy" Destroyed by "Canadian"

[kengs333]

In the latest twist in the twisted saga of the Six Nations' "reclamation" endeavours, it's so-called "embassy" (a cheap, makeshift particleboard structure) located along Argyle street has burned to the ground. Of course, the initial findings of the Six Nations' fire investigators have found strong evidence to suggest that a "Canadian" is responsible for the dastardly deed. The Indians are so angered, in fact, that they are claiming it could "hamper" land claim negotiations. Hazel Hill called it an "an attack... by Canadians who have disturbed the peace that Six Nations has been working so diligently to preserve." LOL. This is just so absurd. Is it just me or does this seem staged, or the work of some member of the Six Nations working on their own initiative to stir things up. Even if it was perpetrated by (a) Canadian(s)--what purpose will it serve trying to twist this into being an "attack" that will "hamper" the negotiations? Reacting this was just makes them look all the more stupid.

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/278018

[guyser]

Of course, the initial findings of the Six Nations' fire investigators have found strong evidence to suggest that a "Canadian" is responsible for the dastardly deed.

Where does that come from?

[Moxie]

I would happily donate my cardboard fridge box, I also have a Uhaul wardrobe box that sounds like a step up from their shack.

[AngusThermopyle]

Now this is very odd. Just last weekend three local fire departments responded to three seperate fires on Standoff, the natives claimed they were all started by Canadians, even though they were well onto reserve land.

Could it be the actions of some unnamed Canadian freedom fighting resistance group? Is this the begining of a spate of Canadian/Native fires?

[Moxie]

Maybe they needed some free Media attention to draw the bored and pissed off public back to their cause? Nothing works better than sabotage, and then acting like the victim.

[maxsyno]

I do not think it would be Hill's lot or any others come to that.

Such an action would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

Official documents etc would be lost.

Time consuming reparations that neither f/ns nor government could afford.

At most, a little insurance money could be hoped for ! JKing!!

But it seems absurd to acuse them while they are negotiating land tracks.

[August1991]

This won't go anywhere. Native Indians only stage protests in the summer when the weather is warm.

[kengs333]

I do not think it would be Hill's lot or any others come to that.

Such an action would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

Official documents etc would be lost.

Time consuming reparations that neither f/ns nor government could afford.

At most, a little insurance money could be hoped for ! JKing!!

But it seems absurd to acuse them while they are negotiating land tracks.

Actually what it does is give them another incident to add to their timeline of victimization. Even though they can't prove who did it, they've somehow come to the conclusion that it was an "attack" by "Canadians".

Edited November 8, 2007 by kengs333

[geoffrey]

This won't go anywhere. Native Indians only stage protests in the summer when the weather is warm.

The man has a point.

[guyser]

QUOTE(kengs333 @ Nov 7 2007, 03:04 PM)

Of course, the initial findings of the Six Nations' fire investigators have found strong evidence to suggest that a "Canadian" is responsible for the dastardly deed.

Again, where did this come from?

[kengs333]

Again, where did this come from?

What specifically are you referring to with "this"--"fire investigators"?

[AngusThermopyle]

The spectator

Here's an article from the spectator dealing with the burning of the "Embassy/Shack". It doesn't say anything about fire inspectors but it does quite clearly intimate that a Canadian was responsible. I'm not even sure if a real inspector will investigate, it was just a shack after all.

[guyser]

What specifically are you referring to with "this"--"fire investigators"?

Ok...once more then

You wrote "Of course, the initial findings of the Six Nations' fire investigators have found strong evidence to suggest that a "Canadian" is responsible for the dastardly deed. "

I am asking, where did you get that from? As in, where was it printed, or where was it uttered .....or..or....

[maxsyno]

Actually what it does is give them another incident to add to their timeline of victimization. Even though they can't prove who did it, they've somehow come to the conclusion that it was an "attack" by "Canadians".

It could well have been a non native Caladonian for a number of reasons; the local economy for one ,house prices and so fourth have fallen since the land claim.

I still do not think it would be one of the six nations. It would be absolutely flying in the face of what the six nations are trying to achieve. Such action could only accomplish delay in the legal process of what all this is about. Six Nastions cannot afford to mess up the process by allowing a loose canon to start a fire. As for this incident being for the purpose of adding to the 'victimization' list, Six Nations surely realise that after a history of surviving genocide, cultural genocide, economic exclusion (and more), that burning down a shack is laughable for adding to the list!!!!

Thereby, in all probabilities it was a Canadian. Afterall, he/she would have nothing to lose whereas a f/ns individual would cause much harm to the process.

Edited November 8, 2007 by maxsyno

[guyser]

I still do not think it would be one of the six nations. It would be absolutely flying in the face of what the six nations are trying to achieve.

Kind of like the "security guards" and the beating of a developer?

[kengs333]

Ok...once more then

You wrote "Of course, the initial findings of the Six Nations' fire investigators have found strong evidence to suggest that a "Canadian" is responsible for the dastardly deed. "

I am asking, where did you get that from? As in, where was it printed, or where was it uttered .....or..or....

Well, let's see, I think if you go back to the first post, you will notice that there is a link to an article about the incident...

[kengs333]

It could well have been a non native Caladonian for a number of reasons; the local economy for one ,house prices and so fourth have fallen since the land claim.

I still do not think it would be one of the six nations. It would be absolutely flying in the face of what the six nations are trying to achieve. Such action could only accomplish delay in the legal process of what all this is about. Six Nastions cannot afford to mess up the process by allowing a loose canon to start a fire. As for this incident being for the purpose of adding to the 'victimization' list, Six Nations surely realise that after a history of surviving genocide, cultural genocide, economic exclusion (and more), that burning down a shack is laughable for adding to the list!!!!

Thereby, in all probabilities it was a Canadian. Afterall, he/she would have nothing to lose whereas a f/ns individual would cause much harm to the process.

Oh, okay, I get it--"surviving genocide". Now I know where you're coming from. Look, the "embassy" was burned down, then the Indians start saying that it could "hamper... further negotiations"? Why? Because some nut(s) burned down a particle board shack, they're going to walk away from the table where millions, maybe billions, of dollars of compensation are being negotiated? I don't think so. Then there's the fact that they've concluded without any evidence that "Canadians" were responsible. So how different is that from my accusing Indians of the next incident of suspected arson in Canada? Seeing that Indians hate Europeans so much, one could logically conclude that Indians are perpetrating acts of arson to destroy our country and force us "back to Europe".

Remember, they call this "shack" their "embassy," and the way they talk about it it has great significance to them. So, no, I don't think it is "laughable" as you claim it to be.

[maxsyno]

Oh, okay, I get it--"surviving genocide". Now I know where you're coming from.

I bet you don't

Look, Then there's the fact that they've concluded without any evidence that "Canadians" were responsible.

Some may have some might not have. Did you interview 'them'?

So how different is that from my accusing Indians of the next incident of suspected arson in Canada? Seeing that Indians hate Europeans so much, one could logically conclude that Indians are perpetrating acts of arson to destroy our country and force us "back to Europe".

Did you say logically?

Some/most would conclude this idiotic thinking but definately without logic or reason, simply racism.

Remember, they call this "shack" their "embassy," and the way they talk about it it has great significance to them. So, no, I don't think it is "laughable" as you claim it to be.

It is when compared to genocide that they survived.

[guyser]

Well, let's see, I think if you go back to the first post, you will notice that there is a link to an article about the incident...

Ok then , you want to play. Fine . Here is the article you linked in its entirety.

"Paul Legall

The Hamilton Spectator

Caledonia (Nov 7, 2007)

Six Nations residents will be holding an old-fashioned building bee to replace a makeshift shelter at Douglas Creek Estates that was destroyed by an arsonist Monday night.

A piece of art commemorating native war veterans also vanished in the blaze shortly before midnight.

With the community pulling together, native leaders expect to have a new structure standing at the Argyle Street entrance by the weekend.

It's believed someone either entered the unlocked building and ignited the blaze with gasoline or threw a firebomb inside before disappearing into the night. There was no one near the building at the time and the arsonist appears to have snuck in while the security guards were changing shifts.

Native spokesperson Bryan Skye said the vandalism has angered the community and could hamper current land claims negotiations between the Haudenosaunee Six Nations and the federal and provincial governments.

"It's a major setback at the tables. The anger and frustrations that this cowardly act of violence against the Six Nations has caused will set us back in the progress we were making," said Skye, who sits on the archeology and the public awareness and education side tables.

He said he'll be raising the incident when talks resume next Tuesday. "We need answers."

The one-storey uninsulated frame structure was constructed of particle board and was used as the cookhouse in the summer of 2006 when there were as many as 200 to 300 protesters occupying the former subdivision.

Natives have occupied the site since late February 2006, claiming the original sale of the land for a road was never legal.

In recent months, with only a skeleton security crew on duty, the structure was converted into a kind of reception centre at the Argyle Street entrance. With aboriginal flags fluttering overhead, it was the area where protesters met reporters, members of the public and even foreign dignitaries.

"The building was our embassy. It was where we'd meet and greet people and hold meetings. We had people from different countries visit us. It was our embassy that was destroyed as a result of arson," Skye said.

The building had also housed a mural honouring native men and women who had served the Crown in foreign wars for more than 200 years. Six Nations artist Arnold Jacobs had donated the piece to be displayed at Kanonhstaton, as Douglas Creek Estates is now known among natives.

Six Nations Confederacy spokesperson Hazel Hill also condemned the vandalism. She called it "an attack on Kanonhstaton (the protected place) by Canadians who have disturbed the peace that Six Nations has been working so diligently to preserve."

"It's kind of ironic with Veterans' Day just around the corner that a sign honouring veterans should be destroyed," she added.

She's confident, however, the community will rally together to build a new structure.

So tell me, where does it say what you said ? Is that plain enough or will you dance around some more?

[AngusThermopyle]

Six Nations Confederacy spokesperson Hazel Hill also condemned the vandalism. She called it "an attack on Kanonhstaton (the protected place) by Canadians who have disturbed the peace that Six Nations has been working so diligently to preserve."

As I said earlier it doesn't mention fire inspectors, but good old Hazel is pretty clear in what she is saying. whats interesting is the fact that she presents no facts, or evidence, just blithely accuses "Canadians" of this. I shouldn't be surprised though, this is just typical for Hazel, queen of the overblown rhetoric and just plain made up "facts".

I love the disturbed the peace bit. So burning tires, buildings, cars, bridges etc. is all just preserving the peace! Assaulting Cops and Citizens is preserving the peace! Vandalizing property and intimidating elderly folk is preserving the peace. Hooaaa! Thats rich!

And now they're moaning about their "Embassy/Shack". Sorry, no sympathy for terrorist types from me.

[noahbody]

Ok then , you want to play. Fine . Here is the article you linked in its entirety.

So tell me, where does it say what you said ? Is that plain enough or will you dance around some more?

Six Nations Confederacy spokesperson Hazel Hill also condemned the vandalism. She called it "an attack on Kanonhstaton (the protected place) by Canadians who have disturbed the peace that Six Nations has been working so diligently to preserve."

I think he's referring to this accusation against Canadians. The fire investigator comment, I assume, was sarcasm.

[kengs333]

I think he's referring to this accusation against Canadians. The fire investigator comment, I assume, was sarcasm.

YES!!!!!

Edited November 8, 2007 by kengs333

[kengs333]

Ok then , you want to play. Fine . Here is the article you linked in its entirety.

So tell me, where does it say what you said ? Is that plain enough or will you dance around some more?

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You were showing such utter stupidity I thought it best to post the entire article to assist you.Obviously you needed it.

Of course now you claim sarcasm, when actually you had no such intent.

Ok, so now I know you merely made that up to bolster your post. Carry on.

[kengs333]

You were showing such utter stupidity I thought it best to post the entire article to assist you.Obviously you needed it.

Of course now you claim sarcasm, when actually you had no such intent.

Ok, so now I know you merely made that up to bolster your post. Carry on.

Look, I asked you if your questions were in reference to "fire inspectors" and all you had to do is answer "yes". Instead you did what you did.

For what blessed reason would use the term "fire inspectors" if it didn't appear in the article??? Obviously, by the nature of my post, I was skeptical about the theories being put forward by the Indians. The are able to look at a burned down structure and determine conclusively who was responsible? Hence "fire inspectors" was indeed used sarcastically.

Perhaps I should have put it in quotation marks to assist those less able to infer meaning from context, those incapable of appreciating the subtleties of the English language.

No, you posted the article because my post starting "Well, let's see..." made you feel like an imbicile and you just got really pissed off.