Harper plans public meeting with Dalai Lama

[xul]

Point is, Canada was warned by China.

Don't worry. Politicians knew how to play their games.

To western politicians, meeting Dalai Lama is a good deal. People in their country may say,"great! Considering our PMs/presidents/chancellors/or somethings have been so bravely beating Chinese in political aspects, perhaps we may forgive his inability to resist Chinese goods fooding our macket." So politicians can get both votes from people and fund from multinational companies.

To Chinese politicians, I guess they thought, "They likes meeting Dalai Lama? That's great! We must pretend angery so they wouldl feel they had done enough and would not do more things such as taxing Chinese goods. We would not worry the Lamas in Tebit rioting if we fund their temples by spending a few bit of money we gained from export, and often meeting westing politicians and involving in the conflicts between Western and China will make Dalai Lama most likely a politician not a religion leader, so his divine right would gradually fate in his believers. And if any of Lama dared against us, what we would do is just expel them to western then these clergies and their tamples will become the headache of western politicians."

[Moxie]

Cry me a river, less junk from China lining the stores of the Great Canadian Dollar Store. Poisoned food, toys and other products what's China going to do threatened us with withdrawl of their cheap crap made by child "Slaves"?

[Leafless]

Cry me a river, less junk from China lining the stores of the Great Canadian Dollar Store. Poisoned food, toys and other products what's China going to do threatened us with withdrawl of their cheap crap made by child "Slaves"?

Don't be a fool.

It is what U.S. and Canadian companies want and that is the lowest price manufactured product available from China.

Poisonous toys, food and cheap crap, produces the highest profit margin for American and Canadian companies.

If U.S. and Canadian companies had any ethics and sense of responsibility they would supply Chinese manufacturing companies with minimum acceptable standards and specifications for the products China churns out that are imported to Canada and the U.S.

In turn these products would have to be inspected by Canadian government agencies to verify these products are safe and durable prior to going on sale at Canadian retail stores.

[Leafless]

Because China's free pass on that and many other issues has gone on too long.

How do you figure it is a free pass?

Just because Canada recognizes and supports separatists, ideologies, lifestyles, welfare, and their province does not mean other countries have to be as stupid.

In Tibet Buddhism is a major tourist attraction.

Don't let the Lama's spirituality fool you.

[jbg]

How do you figure it is a free pass?

Then why does Israel catch more grief internationally than China. Even the favorable Bush administration is looking for excuses to further carve up Israel. Is anyone pressuring China on the following?:

1. Child slavery;
   
2. Lead paint on toys;
   
3. Tibet;
   
4. Pollution;
   
5. Greenhouse gases; or
   
6. Support of rogue states
   

[xul]

It is what U.S. and Canadian companies want and that is the lowest price manufactured product available from China.

That's the truth. Let's just imagine, if 30 years ago, an alien starship flew by earth and occationally fired a quantum laser bomb at china and extincted all brutal and not-brutal Chinese , Obviously there would be another country or a group of country to instead of China being the role China is playing today.

Poisonous toys, food and cheap crap, produces the highest profit margin for American and Canadian companies.

Partially I think this is not fair to these companies. Poisonous toys, food and cheap crap usually sold in China "1 yuan" stalls and its mainly consumers are those poor Chineses lived in poor rural area.

By the way, I must honestly plead for my dear CPChina rulers for they have moved nearly 400 million(equal to the population of America) these guys into city and made a welfare system for them in recently 30 years, so the CPC is not only do bad thing in China. But the problem is these guys have bred out another 800 million kids during the same time so the populations of them have not been reduced significantly. Chinese revenue cannot afford the spends of such amount of people's welfare, so these part of people have less responsibility and lower moral level. Most poisonous products were made by them and most people being poisoned were them.

But multinational companies usually do not choose them as suppliers. Of couse these companies want more benefits. But if they supply bad products to their clients, they will finally loss their benefits especially their credits. In fact, the problem products is only very small parts of their goods manufactured in China. Several millions of toys having problem seems that it is a very big problem, but considering the total amount of their toys manufactured in China may be summed to billions, so it in fact is a very little persentage of products have problem. I think they are accidents, just as American space shuttles crashed several times by mechanical problems don't mean the manufactures want to kill their astronauts.

If U.S. and Canadian companies had any ethics and sense of responsibility they would supply Chinese manufacturing companies with minimum acceptable standards and specifications for the products China churns out that are imported to Canada and the U.S.

Sometimes these comments partially are not fair to CEOs and MBAs of these companies. For example, American auto industry was beaten by Japanese far more than they move their factories to China and it seems China is the only place that American cars can beat Japanese cars. So we would deduce that CEOs is not the cause of the decline of American auto industry.

Usually a corporation was considered as an individual. In the ethical or law aspect, an individual have the right to live its country to pursue its will or interests just if I want immigrant to Canada, no Chinese have the right to condemn me.

But coming back the topic, I think I have no right to bring the Chinese territory I lived such as the yard of my house to Canada so I agree with you separatists have no unquestionable right to bring the territory they lived out their original country without the agreement of the others even if in a local place they are the majority just in my yard my family are the majority.

In turn these products would have to be inspected by Canadian government agencies to verify these products are safe and durable prior to going on sale at Canadian retail stores.

This proposal sounds good but technically it may be impossible. Industrial products today are very comlicated even if they may seem very sample in aspects. For instance: many years ago, several American made passanger plane engine failed in air because the metal of the wrenches that workers used to screw the engine parts chemically reacts with the metals of the engine parts and reduced the life of these parts. Finding these kind of problem before they become real problems needs a group of top scientists working for severl months. And obviously no one would be more professional then those manufacturers. So if government involves, they also will need help form manufacturers, not entairly independent as people think.

Edited November 4, 2007 by xul

[xul]

Then why does Israel catch more grief internationally than China. Even the favorable Bush administration is looking for excuses to further carve up Israel.

I guess partially it is beacuse "the exclusive triumph of Israel" is not according the maximum interests of America. If Israel ruled the middle east, with her technology that she has owned and the oil resource that she would controled, Israel would become a big power in the world and then Europe, Japan, China and India must flatter Israel to get the oil for their economy, so Israel would become a threaten of the rule of America.

[jbg]

I guess partially it is beacuse "the exclusive triumph of Israel" is not according the maximum interests of America. If Israel ruled the middle east, with her technology that she has owned and the oil resource that she would controled, Israel would become a big power in the world and then Europe, Japan, China and India must flatter Israel to get the oil for their economy, so Israel would become a threaten of the rule of America.

There's absolutely no evidence though that Israel has sought any expansion into oil producing areas. In fact it surrendered those areas to Egypt as part of the 1979 Camp David treaty. I suspect it is because the chattering classes find it politically correct to bash any successful Western country.

[xul]

There's absolutely no evidence though that Israel has sought any expansion into oil producing areas. In fact it surrendered those areas to Egypt as part of the 1979 Camp David treaty. I suspect it is because the chattering classes find it politically correct to bash any successful Western country.

I did not mean Israeli government actually wants to expansion into these area.

I just meant if any country wanted an entire victory in mideast, it would have to occupy oil field. Or else it have to keep a large amount of army anytime to defend what it had got just as Israel. If America occupied Bagdad but left oil field to Sadaam, it could hardly be considered as a real victory of the war.

[xul]

I think there are some misunderstanding about that Tibet was conquered by China Communist government. And Dalai Lama is not the name of the person Mr. Harper met. In fact Dalai Lama is the name of a occupation, likes Pope in Roman Catholic. According a shory I knew, the first Dalai Lama was named in about 1580s, then Mongolian ruled Tibet.

In 1578, a leader of a branch of Tibet buddhist moved to a temple in Qinghai, now as a China province, to missionize Tibet buddhism. He was investitured by a local Mongolianl tribe leader as Dalai Lama. "DaLai" means "the Sea" in Mongolian, and "Lama" means "Lived Buddha" in Tibet native language. After then, he called himself Dalai Lama 3rd, and backward his master as Dalai Lama 2nd, ang his master's master Dalai Lama 1st. But in this time, Dalai Lama was not the top leader of Tibet Buddhism. He was only the leader of one of the many branches of Tibet buddhism and Tibet was ruled by Mongolian secular regime.

About 1670s, the last China dynasty Qing Dynasty ruled China. Qing army dispeled Mogolian from Tibet and the emperor decided to use clergies helping him to rule Tibet. The clergy was chose was Dalai Lama 5th. After then, Dalai Lama was promoted as top religious and political leader in Tibet and each Dalai Lama must approved and investitured by emperor.

After British ruled Indian and its fleet come to China, the power of Qing Dynasty began to decline. British ruler in India tried to incite some Tibet clergies separating from China. So cleries in Tibet was divided to two branches, one kept loyalty to emperor, another tried get rid of China to pursue their new powerful master. When Qing Dynasty was pulled down and replaced by Republic of China, China got into a Civil War between local governments. It seems British would take a good chance and for a time, Dalai Lama 13th seemed to be inclind to depend on British to seek for independence of Tibet. But meantime, Indian uprised against British ruler. Dalai 13th finally understood that British was not "up" than his China ruler, he met a representative of ROC president Jiang and expressed Tibet would still loyal in Chinese government.

In 1949 communist leader Mao ruled China, Dalai Lama 14th was only 14 years old and obviously he was too young to be a politcial leader. Tibet regime was actually undercontroled by other pre-British old clergies. These guys supported by Tibet army killed another pre-China old clery who was responsible for guardian of Dalai 14th and poisoned Dalai 14th's father when they took the power. They deployed their army trying to block the communist army tookover Tibet but their army was defeated by communist army.

This event led to a palace revolution in Tibet regime. Of couse, all plot was under the name of "buddha's willing". eventrally, Dalai Lama 14th and his supporters took the power and met a Mao's representative. After Mao ungrudgingly promised keeping his power and would not change the slavery system in Tibet, Dalai 14th expressed loyalty to new china government and agree Mao deployed army in Tibet. In 1954, he was "elected" as vice-chairman of China parliament. In 1956, he visited India and come back China. This period was his honeymoon with communists.

But in 1958, Mao changed his mind. He started a moving named "Great Leap", ask for local government "runing into Communism". Obviously, the slavery in Tabit was out of step of Mao's "grand plan". I guess this was the conflicts between them. One wanted to keep slavery, becacuse all his supporters, the nobles of Tibet, were the bigest slaveholders. And another, wanted to use communism to takeover the old system. Eventually, Slaveholders militia gathered in Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, but they were defeated by Mao's army and Dalai Lama 14th and his supporters fled to India. When he was 24.

It is not all clergies in Tibet supported Dalai 14th. Another top clergy of Tibet Panchen Lama kept loyal in Mao and tookover the top religious leader. Even the commander officer of Lhasa rebels also surrendered and get a job in local parliament because he blamed Dalai 14th had never informed him his escape when he was fighting with communists.

This is the story I knew. Of couse, all for china and those pre-China Tibet scholars' articles. I'm not sure all these are the truth, but I believe a lot of them are truth.

Edited November 4, 2007 by xul