John Tory - *Still* refuses to admit he was wrong.

[mikedavid00]

John Tory is the type of stuborn *** that we all hate working for. You know, the guy who's always the boss and you wonder how he got there. The guy who simply is incapable of 'getting it'. The guy who is a road block to success. The guy who blocks out everything that you have to say. Tory is a textbook example.

I was listening to the radio yesterday and the host of the show was interviewing John Tory. Tory was not in campaign mode and was speaking as if he already left the party.

Tory said that with all the poeple in the last 2 days that told him 'I would have voted for you, except'.... that he said right now he'd preparing his throne speech right now rather than doing the radio interview.

And right or left everyone will disagree with this statement:

He then said that his job as politician is not only to manager the budget and make laws, but he's also there for a 'GREATER CALLING IN SOCIETY'. And he still said that it was the right thing to do.

Is he for real?????

Listen Tory, the RIGHT thing to do as an ELECTED politician is to REPRESENT the will of the PEOPLE - NOT YOUR PERSONAL IDEALISMS.

The Daddy days of politics are over in Canaada. Dion and Tory can want to be our Daddy all they want, but they are not.

And I do believe there is a sect of Canadians still alive and on this forum who see politicians as some sort of Daddy. A father of our country with their hands out asking for a bigger check. Working on not working. The old style of voter that reads a party platform and votes for A or B because they have 'good ideas'.

Those days are in the past and we know how much trouble that can get us in.

Canadians want managers. They want impartial managers to do their jobs and represnt constituants.

McGuinty is a manager. When it came to banning cel phones in vehicles, he said NO. John Tory was all over the radio wanting a complete ban so he can excersise his control and power over us.

Canada needs a much smaller gov't, much lower taxes, no capital gains, and to get out of the healthcare business.

We need a new day in Canada. We need the gov't to step back and let the people decide. As you saw, the people are capable of doing this. We need to stop our clown politics and gov't rot and corruption.

ok basically this is what is wrong with Canada. When online trading came about in the 1999 and such, it finally got approved in Canada. Our trades were not $6, they were closer to $50.

The reason is because the gov't decided that the people trading their own stocks could not 'think for themsevles' and that a human actually had to oversee every single trade.

How dare our Daddy gov't do this. How dare they. I took offense to it then and take offence to that now.

And many, many people here on the forums openly said that Canadians are dumb and can't think for themselves and letting Canadians have a say was a bad idea. I remember Geoffry saying this in specific.

But our issues are not rocket science. They never have been despite what the intillectuals and elites may have you believe.

Ontario voters were certainly smart enough to realize what the implications of Tory's ethnic schooling experiment would be. Ontario voters realized the necessaty of tax increases to fund a hospital system that is designed for mass, mass immigration and excused McGuinty for breaking that promise although don't want to see that happen again. Ontario voters were also smart enough to not want 20 different parties in our Parliment with some wacko voting system. To the CBC and all the itelectuals let me tell you: - While we did not understand it 100%, we did know the result would be MORE parties in our already laughable Parliment and we DIDN'T WANT THAT. Now lets move on and encourage more refurendums.

I just hope poeple here take a lesson from this election. This election was not poltiics as usual, it was basically a referendum.

This election was historic in the sense that we voted on our own issues.

Even taking away immigrant ridings, the Tories still lose. The people spoke loud and clear.

Let's hope Harper calls an election which is rumored to possibly happen. Lets show Canadians that we do have it within ourselves to decide on issues like immigration, taxes, spending, and regulations.

Trust in yourselve, not you Daddy.

Edited October 15, 2007 by mikedavid00

[Peter F]

This election was historic in the sense that we voted on our own issues.

Even taking away immigrant ridings, the Tories still lose. The people spoke loud and clear.

Let's hope Harper calls an election which is rumored to possibly happen. Lets show Canadians that we do have it within ourselves to decide on issues like immigration, taxes, spending, and regulations.

Trust in yourselve, not you Daddy.[/font]

What do you mean 'We'? If I remember right you stayed home cause you didn't want to walk a block in the rain. and besides the immigrants would outvote you...

[Peter F]

MD:

And right or left everyone will disagree with this statement:

He then said that his job as politician is not only to manager the budget and make laws, but he's also there for a 'GREATER CALLING IN SOCIETY'. And he still said that it was the right thing to do.

Is he for real?????

Listen Tory, the RIGHT thing to do as an ELECTED politician is to REPRESENT the will of the PEOPLE - NOT YOUR PERSONAL IDEALISMS.

So you would prefer electing someone who stands for nothing? You actually want someone who has zero beliefs/opinions to represent you in the Legistlature?

Things worked out exactly how they were supposed to. I agree with John Tory. He thought certain things were a really good idea so during the election he said those things he thought were really good ideas. We then voted [not you, of course] and Mr. Tory nor his party was elected to government.

and this is a bad thing? You don't want politicians actually saying whats on thier minds?

They should be mindless beurocrats?

[Moxie]

He shot himself in the foot with his belief that schools should be faith based, a bad idea for a country that prides it's self on ,gag, multiculture society. I want less religion in schools, government and my daily life. Society is welcome to worship whomever they please in the privacy of their homes. Leave it out of public life please.

[Peter F]

He shot himself in the foot with his belief that schools should be faith based, a bad idea for a country that prides it's self on ,gag, multiculture society. I want less religion in schools, government and my daily life. Society is welcome to worship whomever they please in the privacy of their homes. Leave it out of public life please.

So I take it you're glad he said what he said instead of keeping it quiet.

John Tory was being an honest politician.

and you and I voted accordingly.

Things are as they should be.

[kengs333]

What do you mean 'We'? If I remember right you stayed home cause you didn't want to walk a block in the rain. and besides the immigrants would outvote you...

Where did he say this? You're telling me this guy spent the last weeks incessantly posting about the election and he didn't even bother to vote?

[Dithers]

To be honest, I'm quite happy that we still have politicians who will campaign on principle and ideology.

It's unfortunate that Tory chose that particular one to make a personal stand over. He should've known that it would be particularly divisive and contentious, not only for Ontarians, but among his own party. Tory made a campaign gaffe, that's all.

[Peter F]

Where did he say this? You're telling me this guy spent the last weeks incessantly posting about the election and he didn't even bother to vote?

See '2007 Ontario Election Data Analysis' thread.

[scribblet]

I'd bet that Tory didn't think that this would become such a major issue. I'll also bet that he felt that maybe the thousands of kids who are outside our school system maybe at a disadvantage, education wise that is. He did have a point, funding them would require that they meed our curriculum standards.

I think this issue has told us one thing, that the public has a fear that some religious school might set up shop here e.g. the Islamic Madras types, and get funding. IMO it tells us that the issue of RC funding could be brought up now, and I bet the public would like to see that abolished.

[Topaz]

Tory reminds me of Harper. Tory never thought that most of the voters are baby-boomers and the older citizens, who don't want more taxes or increase of libabilties, such as increasing the education to other groups of people. Most of these voters rather NOT pay education tax if they don't have kids or grkids in the system!!

[margrace]

I'd bet that Tory didn't think that this would become such a major issue. I'll also bet that he felt that maybe the thousands of kids who are outside our school system maybe at a disadvantage, education wise that is. He did have a point, funding them would require that they meed our curriculum standards.

I think this issue has told us one thing, that the public has a fear that some religious school might set up shop here e.g. the Islamic Madras types, and get funding. IMO it tells us that the issue of RC funding could be brought up now, and I bet the public would like to see that abolished.

In discussion in our area the consensus seems to be that we do away with the Catholic system and go back to one public system. No seperate schools please.

[Argus]

To be honest, I'm quite happy that we still have politicians who will campaign on principle and ideology.

It's unfortunate that Tory chose that particular one to make a personal stand over. He should've known that it would be particularly divisive and contentious, not only for Ontarians, but among his own party. Tory made a campaign gaffe, that's all.

Where was the principle? As I understand it he offered up the funding for ethnic schools during his campaign for leadership in order to draw the ethnic vote. When election time came he felt he had no choice but to follow through because otherwise the Liberals would be defending themselves against charges of false promises by pointing to his false promise. And Tory felt Liberal dishonesty would be the major issue. So it was political all the way and had nothing to do with principles. Unfortunately for Tory he failed to realize that Canadians don't really value honesty very much anyway.

[margrace]

Where was the principle? As I understand it he offered up the funding for ethnic schools during his campaign for leadership in order to draw the ethnic vote. When election time came he felt he had no choice but to follow through because otherwise the Liberals would be defending themselves against charges of false promises by pointing to his false promise. And Tory felt Liberal dishonesty would be the major issue. So it was political all the way and had nothing to do with principles. Unfortunately for Tory he failed to realize that Canadians don't really value honesty very much anyway.

If Canadians valued honesty they would kick out every politician we have. The basic premis is control of where money goes and all politicians are only interested in the bottom line. That being how much taxes they will have to pay and how good a salary we pay them

[CLRV]

Where did he say this? You're telling me this guy spent the last weeks incessantly posting about the election and he didn't even bother to vote?

Right here

I decided not to vote becuase it's raining outside. The voting ceter is a block away also.

Apparently, the filthy dirty immigrants he despises braved the one-block walk in the rain to embrace the democracy HE takes for granted. Can you imagine someone arrogant enough to actually admit this and STILL have the nerve to bitch about politics and immigrants? Nobody should pay any attention to this clown in future. I certainly won't.

Edited October 15, 2007 by CLRV

[Higgly]

Good lord. I didn't think there would be any Ontario member of MLW who would not vote in this election. How can you participate in this forum and then admit that you did not vote in an election?

[M.Dancer]

Good lord. I didn't think there would be any Ontario member of MLW who would not vote in this election. How can you participate in this forum and then admit that you did not vote in an election?

I voted. Even though they moved the location of the poll from right in front of my home to a short bus ride away.even though it was raining....even though the bus comes once every half hour.....

[daniel]

...Apparently, the filthy dirty immigrants he despises braved the one-block walk in the rain to embrace the democracy HE takes for granted. ...

I'm sure some of them, from where they came from, may have braved worse than just rain to exercise their right to vote.

[jennie]

Where did he say this? You're telling me this guy spent the last weeks incessantly posting about the election and he didn't even bother to vote?

YUP!

It was raining.

[mikedavid00]

Good lord. I didn't think there would be any Ontario member of MLW who would not vote in this election. How can you participate in this forum and then admit that you did not vote in an election?

Because that I did not support Tory so I decided to throw away my vote. I don't have it in me to support Liberals for what they did to this country and will never vote for them in my life.

I let my riding vote in Liberal for me.

As I've said before, I didn't even bother voting because my electoral district has been hijacked by certain ethnicities so the CPC winning was impossible.

Why do you think the voting turn out was so low?

Canadians are beginnign to give up.

Now when I am forced to vote, I will be going out and riding outcomes would change. You might be suprised.

[kengs333]

Tough beans. If you prefer the system to stay as it is, then don't whine about the consequences.

[guyser]

Now when I am forced to vote, I will be going out and riding outcomes would change. You might be suprised.

I doubt it. Seems to always rain on election day here in TO. .....or its windy, snowy, chilly, too hot.

Lets see, did I cover all your future excuses?

[geoffrey]

In discussion in our area the consensus seems to be that we do away with the Catholic system and go back to one public system. No seperate schools please.

You want to open the constitution over an issue like that? Dear God.

[Canadian Blue]

Because that I did not support Tory so I decided to throw away my vote. I don't have it in me to support Liberals for what they did to this country and will never vote for them in my life.

I let my riding vote in Liberal for me.

As I've said before, I didn't even bother voting because my electoral district has been hijacked by certain ethnicities so the CPC winning was impossible.

Why do you think the voting turn out was so low?

Canadians are beginnign to give up.

Now when I am forced to vote, I will be going out and riding outcomes would change. You might be suprised.

The voter turnout was low because the campaign didn't captivate people. As well I doubt that many Canadian's hold those kinds of anti-immigrant views.

[Peter F]

MD:

Now when I am forced to vote, I will be going out and riding outcomes would change. You might be suprised.

Now theres something for the Conservative party to bank on...

[guyser]

MD:

Now theres something for the Conservative party to bank on...

Well....until he finds out that the Conservatives are pushing real hard to capture the immigrant vote. Full page , front page I might add, of todays Globe and Mail.

Notes on how to get the immigrant vote, memos of which "ethnic" function to attend and so on.