"christian scammers/scandals abound"

[jefferiah]

I love the fact that so many people have been following this forum, but I wonder is that what brought on the nastiness, can't have any truths read I guess

This is not an argument, Margrace.

I provided you with a direct link to the work of Eusebius in question. You can read it yourself and see that it says absolutely nothing similar to what Harpur says it does. Instead you chose to say well why would Harpur say it in his book, and why has no one challenged him. M. Dancer provided you with 4 links to challenges.

In the Tektoniks site he gave you there is also a link to a page concerning the Mithra hoax.

Edited October 18, 2007 by jefferiah

[margrace]

This is not an argument, Margrace.

I provided you with a direct link to the work of Eusebius in question. You can read it yourself and see that it says absolutely nothing similar to what Harpur says it does. Instead you chose to say well why would Harpur say it in his book, and why has no one challenged him. M. Dancer provided you with 4 links to challenges.

In the Tektoniks site he gave you there is also a link to a page concerning the Mithra hoax.

Sorry Jefferiah, it doen't tell me a thing except that there are some very closed minds on here. And of course if one says something often enough somewhere someone will believer it. I think that people should read all the pros and cons of the Jesus myth and make up their own minds.

[jefferiah]

Sorry Jefferiah, it doen't tell me a thing except that there are some very closed minds on here. And of course if one says something often enough somewhere someone will believer it. I think that people should read all the pros and cons of the Jesus myth and make up their own minds.

And they have been given the opportunity to read your views and which you fail to substantiate. And am I preventing them from making up their own minds. You have a right to post your things from your sources, and I have a right to post mine. This is not preventing you from anything. Do you expect that when you say things you will not be challenged? That does not sound like the policy of the open-minded to me.

Look, the fact is Margrace...Acharya, Harpur and others are quoting things out of thin air. Even Mithraic scholars do not agree with the similarities between Christ and Mithra, and in the literature which exists concerning Mithra nothing confirms the claims of your folks. So unless they have copies of Mithraic texts that no one else knows about, they are plain making this stuff up.

And there is nothing close-minded about actually reading Eusebius and finding out that he does not say what Harpur says he does. Read the link I provided yourself. You are open-minded, right?

Edited October 18, 2007 by jefferiah

[margrace]

Well Jefferiah I can understand your need to maintain the status quo. It is easy to find pro's and cons on everything isn't it? But when one looks at the Vatican, The Christal Cathedral, the colleges making money based on religious bias then it is plain there is a lot to lose. Would the story of Jesus in the temple not bear out the fact that he would be horrified to see what is going on today. Benny Hinn has a 7 million dollar Mansion in California. This would all start to crumble if too many questioned the status quo.

Edited October 18, 2007 by margrace

[jefferiah]

Well Jefferiah I can understand your need to maintain the status quo. It is easy to find pro's and cons on everything isn't it? But when one looks at the Vatican, The Christal Cathedral, the colleges making money based on religious bias then it is plain there is a lot to lose. Would the story of Jesus in the temple not bear out the fact that he would be horrified to see what is going on today. Benny Hinn has a 7 million dollar Mansion in California. This would all start to crumble if too many questioned the status quo.

Yes, Margrace and since I am the owner of the Vatican, The Christal Cathedral and each one of the plethora of Christian colleges and I was the one who bought Benny Hinn his mansion (and I still find time to post on Maple Leaf Web too), I sure have a lot to lose.

(Note: This post contains sarcasm.)

Edited October 18, 2007 by jefferiah

[margrace]

Yes, Margrace and since I am the owner of the Vatican, The Christal Cathedral and each one of the plethora of Christian colleges and I was the one who bought Benny Hinn his mansion (and I still find time to post on Maple Leaf Web too), I sure have a lot to lose.

Oh give me a break, this has gotten pretty silly. Organized religion of whom you are no doubt a part is still there whether you make silly statements or not. I still say too much to lose isn't there.

[margrace]

Time for a new topic.

[jefferiah]

Oh give me a break, this has gotten pretty silly. Organized religion of whom you are no doubt a part is still there whether you make silly statements or not. I still say too much to lose isn't there.

I haven't attended church in years. I have no membership in any church. When I was a boy I went to a United Church. And I hated Sunday school. And I refused to sing songs too.

There is nothing in the Bible which says you have to give money to Christian colleges (by the way I think all colleges make money or else they would be hard to keep running), and I think I have expressed my dissent from Catholicism. I do not know what Christal Cathedral is, and I still don't know who Oral Roberts is. I did not participate in this conversation until it began to change topic.

Edited October 18, 2007 by jefferiah

[jazzer]

I love the fact that so many people have been following this forum, but I wonder is that what brought on the nastiness, can't have any truths read I guess

Welcome to Maple Leaf.

[ScottSA]

As a totally unbiased judge with nothing to gain by "supporting the status Quo, I declare the winner is....

Well, we all know. I've never seen such a complete and utter trouncing in months. Complete with attempted plagiarism as a Hail Mary pass.

[Moxie]

I haven't attended church in years. I have no membership in any church. When I was a boy I went to a United Church. And I hated Sunday school. And I refused to sing songs too.

There is nothing in the Bible which says you have to give money to Christian colleges (by the way I think all colleges make money or else they would be hard to keep running), and I think I have expressed my dissent from Catholicism. I do not know what Christal Cathedral is, and I still don't know who Oral Roberts is. I did not participate in this conversation until it began to change topic.

LOL the Christal Cathedral, would that be the safe injection site in Vancouver.

I feel nothing but scorn and loathing for evangelical fundies preachers who get on TV screaming the end is nigh while they fleece the lonely, the ill and the suffering out of their hard earned life savings. Yes no one forces them to, but these preachers are preditors who prey on the weak and they are scum in my book. They live in palaces while they fleece pensioners and the terminally ill out of their meager finances. They also have Tax Free status, perhaps we need legislation to protect society from this fungus?

[Moxie]

As a totally unbiased judge with nothing to gain by "supporting the status Quo, I declare the winner is....

Well, we all know. I've never seen such a complete and utter trouncing in months. Complete with attempted plagiarism as a Hail Mary pass.

LOL she did bob and weave rather well, she suggested a new thread because this one had become so trite. I thought "Plagiarism" was against the rules???????????????????

[ScottSA]

LOL she did bob and weave rather well, she suggested a new thread because this one had become so trite. I thought "Plagiarism" was against the rules???????????????????

Yeah, it's sposed to be. People should learn not to plagiarize when Momo is around.

[kuzadd]

There is no such rule.

People are allowed to promote their own beliefs, religious or secular.

You spend a great deal more time creating threads to point the finger at Christianity than any Christian on here does making threads trying to convert anyone.

Of course there is no such "rule". Who said there was?

Religion is a PERSONAL belief, therefore, it should be kept in the church and the community of the church.

If someone wants religion they will go and find one appropriate for themselves.

You spend a great deal more time creating threads to point the finger at Christianity than any Christian on here does making threads trying to convert anyone.

pointing what finger at christianity?

the finger of truth?

the finger of oh look at the hypocrisy?

the finger of 'stop pretending christianity is superior'

which finger?

and more interstingly why does that concern anyone?

if christianity is so superior, as is alleged, it can stand up to scrutiny, so what's the problem?

[kuzadd]

Or is that the problem that Christianity does not shine in the light of scrutiny?

That it looks, corrupt?

Stealing funds, misusing funds, using violent video games, to indoctrinate kids, to "bring them in to the fold". Fire and Brimstone to manipulate the masses. Preachers cavorting with prostitutes???

Is that the problem?

[M.Dancer]

Yeah, it's sposed to be. People should learn not to plagiarize when Momo is around.

They can try....but they best plagiarize something that has the same "voice" as theirs.....

'member Wizz? Boy, no he could plagiarize .....extremely skillful at lifting others words. Anyone w3ants lessons how to plagiarize should go and see him perform. His deft scalpel lifts 4 or 5 key statements and seamlessly inserts in between "Bushwhorecrimefamily" and "Crazy Jews with funny hats"

Edited October 19, 2007 by M.Dancer

[Drea]

I feel nothing but scorn and loathing for evangelical fundies preachers who get on TV screaming the end is nigh while they fleece the lonely, the ill and the suffering out of their hard earned life savings. Yes no one forces them to, but these preachers are preditors who prey on the weak and they are scum in my book. They live in palaces while they fleece pensioners and the terminally ill out of their meager finances. They also have Tax Free status, perhaps we need legislation to protect society from this fungus?

Hear! Hear!

Religious organzations are no different than any other for profit organization and they should lose their tax free status.

[M.Dancer]

Hear! Hear!

Religious organzations are no different than any other for profit organization and they should lose their tax free status.

So instead of running hospices, soup kitchens and shelters, etc etc...., you think they should operate businesses instead?

Should all charitable organisation pay tax or only those that are faith based?

[margrace]

So instead of running hospices, soup kitchens and shelters, etc etc...., you think they should operate businesses instead?

Should all charitable organisation pay tax or only those that are faith based?

Not around here they don't the organizations are run by the general public

[M.Dancer]

Not around here they don't the organizations are run by the general public

Once again out trots the "If I don't see it, it don't exist" line of reasoning.

Close your eyes marg, the world will disappear.......

RICHMOND, September 30, 2005 — Richmond’s first freestanding, community hospice opened its doors today. The Salvation Army Rotary Hospice House, owned and operated by The Salvation Army, is a ten-bed, home-like facility providing quality end of life care to residents of Richmond and Vancouver

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/corp/nero/ne...-09-30-1330.cfm

ABBOTSFORD, October 1, 2005 — The Salvation Army's expanded Centre of Hope celebrated its official opening today. The new Centre provides all the Salvation Army's services under one roof, additional emergency shelter beds and 14 new units of supportive independent living.

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/corp/nero/ne...-10-01-1300.cfm

Programs & Services

The Food Bank

The Food Bank offers emergency food to unemployed and underemployed people who are hungry because they do not have enough food for themselves or their families. The Food Bank is open Monday to Friday from 9:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 pm to 3:45 pm. Clients need to make an appointment to see a Intake Worker, and also are required to bring in the following information: Photo Identification, a birth certificate, medical card, proof of source of income and a rent confirmation. Clients are eligible to receive food three times per year (plus a Christmas Hamper, if needed). If food is needed beyond the three-hamper limit and the client is on Social Assistance, they are required to contact their Case Worker for a referral back to the Food Bank. If the client is not on assistance they are requested to bring in information demonstrating need. (known as a “show cause†service). Each situation is looked at individually for a fair assessment of need.

http://www.gov.chilliwack.bc.ca/main/page.cfm?id=1192

[M.Dancer]

And closer to home......

Welcome

The purpose of The Agape Foundation of London is to assist in the development of the London area community through grants and special awards to non-profit, charitable groups concerned with education, the arts, recreation, social services, health and the environment.

The Agape foundation of London makes grants for start up costs both capital and operating to new organizations intending to provide services of facilities that respond to a documented need in the community

http://www.agapelondon.ca/index.php

Remove the Church from canada and the wail of suffering would be unbearable as the hands on work they do dwarfs all the secular groups combined.

[Drea]

So instead of running hospices, soup kitchens and shelters, etc etc...., you think they should operate businesses instead?

Should all charitable organisation pay tax or only those that are faith based?

When an evangelist hauls in enough money to buy mansions and the like, he (and his organization) should lose the tax exemption.

I don't see officers in the Salvation Army driving around in hummers or living in 3 million dollar mansions -- therefore the Sally Anne can keep their tax free status.

Get it?

[M.Dancer]

When an evangelist hauls in enough money to buy mansions and the like, he (and his organization) should lose the tax exemption.

I don't see officers in the Salvation Army driving around in hummers or living in 3 million dollar mansions -- therefore the Sally Anne can keep their tax free status.

Get it?

Not really. Istill see no reason why if it's evangelists (or so you men televangelists?) you dislike, why you want to punish Canada........

Religious organzations are no different than any other for profit organization and they should lose their tax free status.

Do you really think that the poor and downtrodden deserve to be left out in the cold and hungry just becasue you have a beef with some american carney?

[M.Dancer]

I would love to see the litmus test for this.

IRS: Sir we have revoke your religious charitable designation because you have a 9,000 sq ft mansion

Episcopal Bishop of California: No I don't, it's owned by the Church just like the President doesn't own the Whitehouse.

IRS: Ding Dong

Secret Service: Is Mr Bush Home?

Meanwhile in Italy.....the Pope scans the pages of the Robb Report.........

[margrace]

Once again out trots the "If I don't see it, it don't exist" line of reasoning.

Close your eyes marg, the world will disappear.......

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/corp/nero/ne...-09-30-1330.cfm

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/corp/nero/ne...-10-01-1300.cfm

Programs & Services

http://www.gov.chilliwack.bc.ca/main/page.cfm?id=1192

If you type in the Ontario Association of Food banks you will find that over 90% of them are run by the local communtiy. There are a few run by the Salvation Army. I helped set up our bank 20 years ago and am still a participating member. We have a duly elected Board of Governors and are under no church.

Edited October 19, 2007 by margrace