Conservatives keeping list of Jews

[Peter F]

I don't think that is a suitable parallel at all. If your MP sent you a Christmas card would you blow your top? How many Scotch Canadians actually celebrate Bobby Burns. Given the choice between a party which turns every little thing into a huge crime and one which sends out greeting cards, the excessive whiners lose my vote.

You have obviously missed the point, wich is this: Any politician that would attempt to communicate with me through bogus happy-wishes-for-whatever-holiday-he-thinks-applies, is obviously currying favour and is beneath contempt.

You may enjoy recieving the bullshit well-wishes and good on ya. I see it as fakery.

[ScottSA]

Your information is in the phone book because you have consented to have it there and allow it to be used by others.

Exactly.

[jdobbin]

Your title for this thread is beneath you, or at least I thought it was.

I would have thought collecting data on religions without consent was beneath most political parties. I certainly think it is a violation of a person's privacy. I wouldn't care what political party did it.

[jdobbin]

Exactly.

I never disputed that. You sign that consent when you get your telephone.

[Wilber]

I would have thought collecting data on religions without consent was beneath most political parties. I certainly think it is a violation of a person's privacy. I wouldn't care what political party did it.

You are entitled to that opinion and whether I agree with the principal or not, the title you chose for this thread is pretty disgusting. That's the way I see it.

[ScottSA]

I never disputed that. You sign that consent when you get your telephone.

So what's your beef?

[Michael Bluth]

So what's your beef?

An unwarranted attempt at *scary* *scary* *scary*.

[jdobbin]

You are entitled to that opinion and whether I agree with the principal or not, the title you chose for this thread is pretty disgusting. That's the way I see it.

I'm sorry you see it that way. It is an accurate description of what happened though.

[jdobbin]

So what's your beef?

I wasn't arguing about information that you consent to have out there. I am arguing about information that you don't consent to have out there.

[Michael Bluth]

You are entitled to that opinion and whether I agree with the principal or not, the title you chose for this thread is pretty disgusting. That's the way I see it.

It is disgusting and offensive.

Unwarrantedly calling Conservatives anti-semitic shouldn't be allowed.

[Pliny]

An unwarranted attempt at *scary* *scary* *scary*.

An unwarranted attempt at *scary* *scary* *scary* "conservatives".

[old_bold&cold]

Ok I am going to turn this down a notch and ask that, we be shown proof that this means that the CPC is gathereing lists illegally by religions and do so for some evil purpose, other then wishing someone a happy holiday. Does this card say anything to make you think there is some deeper record of your following faith or lack there of? The answer is know because they obviously did not know that this one person was really a non-practicing jew. Does it inferr any threat in any way shape or form? No it basically wisher her a happy holiday. It was not an offensive card by chance? no it was a simple picture of the Harper family with the objects that are used in the holiday tradition.

The only thing the Liberals can come up with is the fact that he invaded her priacy, by sending her a card. I suppose that this has happened to all of us many times during our lives, and silly us we did not think anything more of it then it was a nice things to do. But by the liberal standards this is against the law and must be stamped out and apolgised for.

Judging by the responces JD you made a big mess with this position you are taking. I really doubt that even the liberals here will care to back you up very far on this. Do you not see this as being basically wrong? It was a card and holiday greeting and I am sure a very large number were sent out, and it seems that the majority were not offended by this. I am not sure of your religious background, but it does not matter, as just about any faith I can bring to mind, would not be offended by this kind of event. In fact most would wave with pride and say I got a card from the PM, wishing me happy holiday. Some may even keep it for their scrap books. Others will read and throw away. Only those with twist views would see this in the incidious way you have portrayed it. Is this the kind of skill the Liberals want in their party? It is sad commentary to see this here, and what is even worse is when you can not admit to it being wrong headed in the first place.

[jefferiah]

You have obviously missed the point, wich is this: Any politician that would attempt to communicate with me through bogus happy-wishes-for-whatever-holiday-he-thinks-applies, is obviously currying favour and is beneath contempt.

You may enjoy recieving the bullshit well-wishes and good on ya. I see it as fakery.

Well, my Liberal MP does it. What party do you want me to vote for then?

Between the greeting card party and the party who calls holding a press conference in the same room as the Lester B Pearson idol an attempt to overshadow the glorious history of Liberals, I will choose the lesser form of bullshit. How about that?

Edited October 8, 2007 by jefferiah

[jdobbin]

Judging by the responces JD you made a big mess with this position you are taking. I really doubt that even the liberals here will care to back you up very far on this. Do you not see this as being basically wrong? It was a card and holiday greeting and I am sure a very large number were sent out, and it seems that the majority were not offended by this. I am not sure of your religious background, but it does not matter, as just about any faith I can bring to mind, would not be offended by this kind of event. In fact most would wave with pride and say I got a card from the PM, wishing me happy holiday. Some may even keep it for their scrap books. Others will read and throw away. Only those with twist views would see this in the incidious way you have portrayed it. Is this the kind of skill the Liberals want in their party? It is sad commentary to see this here, and what is even worse is when you can not admit to it being wrong headed in the first place.

The article specifically mentioned a few different people who received the posting and wondered how their religion came to be on a list of a political party.

Judging by the responses, it seems that many don't realize that personal information gathered for such purposes is a violation of people's privacy and can be a violation of the privacy act.

[jefferiah]

Is this the kind of skill the Liberals want in their party?

Yep, it's a prerequisite.

Did you see Dion foaming at the mouth when Harper was expressing his condolensces over Virginia Tech the day after? The outrage was not about the how genuine his sympathy was, but about his failing to acknowledge the anniversary of the most wonderful holy sacred Charter.

They foam at the mouth constantly.

Edited October 8, 2007 by jefferiah

[old_bold&cold]

The article specifically mentioned a few different people who received the posting and wondered how their religion came to be on a list of a political party.

Judging by the responses, it seems that many don't realize that personal information gathered for such purposes is a violation of people's privacy and can be a violation of the privacy act.

Can be a violation of the privacy act, or is it a violation of the privacy act? Because so far there has been no good reason to think that there are anything more incidious about this then wishing them a happy holiday, and yes the fact that it comes from a sitting PM, it is currying favour, but in a most respectful way. Now maybe if you had Jean Chretien sending out cards for the Liberals, that would make you happy? You do know that Dion can do this same thing as well but I guess he is too busy trying to pul the knives from his back to get to the post office.

I would like to see the real numbers that were sent out and those who really are upset about this, and then show how that is all newsworthy of such a thing. Such a fuss over a few people who really need to get a life, and stop seeing scarey CPC, around every corner.

[jdobbin]

Can be a violation of the privacy act, or is it a violation of the privacy act? Because so far there has been no good reason to think that there are anything more incidious about this then wishing them a happy holiday, and yes the fact that it comes from a sitting PM, it is currying favour, but in a most respectful way. Now maybe if you had Jean Chretien sending out cards for the Liberals, that would make you happy? You do know that Dion can do this same thing as well but I guess he is too busy trying to pul the knives from his back to get to the post office.

I would like to see the real numbers that were sent out and those who really are upset about this, and then show how that is all newsworthy of such a thing. Such a fuss over a few people who really need to get a life, and stop seeing scarey CPC, around every corner.

I posted earlier that one of the people who received this card can contact the Conservative party or the Privacy Commissioner to determine how the information was gathered. If there was no consent for that type of information, it would be a violation.

I don't care which political party or company was sending me greeting cards. If they were keeping lists based on culture and religion where there was no consent, it would be wrong.

[geoffrey]

I haven't made any reference at all linking the Conservatives to anything other than keeping lists on people based on religion or culture and using it is probably a violation of the privacy act.

You picked a particular title that draws parallels to any intelligent person. It crossed the line and is pretty offensive that you'd do so. The lady that recieved the holiday greeting doesn't seem nearly as frightened or quick to make connections, however implied. She simply wants to know why. A simple request will tell her that, without the fear mongering of parties keeping lists of Jews.

[Wilber]

I'm sorry you see it that way. It is an accurate description of what happened though.

What, invoking the ghost of Kristelnacht is an accurate description?

Who knows where they got the info. Why do I keep getting applications for credit cards and all sorts of other junk mail with my name on it? I didn't knowingly give them any info. Did all those companies have access to government records? It's a bit naive to think that a political party couldn't get same information the same way.

[jdobbin]

You picked a particular title that draws parallels to any intelligent person. It crossed the line and is pretty offensive that you'd do so. The lady that recieved the holiday greeting doesn't seem nearly as frightened or quick to make connections, however implied. She simply wants to know why. A simple request will tell her that, without the fear mongering of parties keeping lists of Jews.

One of the ladies did imply there was fear about such lists.

"I think that being a Canadian, season's greetings at Christmas or new year's time would be quite sufficient. I don't like the idea of profiling and that's what I feel this is," Ms. Udow said.

"I didn't live through the Second World War, but I've read enough and heard enough to know that the thought of a list of Jewish people makes people cringe."

What is it about the title that you find inaccurate or offensive? It is the Conservative party that has a list. It is Jewish people on the list. As seen above, at least one Jewish recipient is concerned about a list and the how and why it was compiled.

I am more concerned over lists on information where there is no consent given.

[jdobbin]

What, invoking the ghost of Kristelnacht is an accurate description?

Who knows where they got the info. Why do I keep getting applications for credit cards and all sorts of other junk mail with my name on it? I didn't knowingly give them any info. Did all those companies have access to government records? It's a bit naive to think that a political party couldn't get same information the same way.

I haven't indicated anything of the sort.

As for how you get credit card applications, you get them when you consent to a credit check. In the fine print, it is said that such information is shared with other credit card companies. You can be removed from those lists by asking they no longer send you applications.

[Canuck E Stan]

I'd be unhappy if the Liberals or any other party collected and used this type of data.

You've really found a good one today Dobbin, and I don't care for your choice of words in the title of the thread.

I can see your concern for retaining personal privacy

But being the hardcore Liberal you are, make sure you exploit it to the limits, it'll make you happy,...and it sure will increase your posting numbers today.

Lets hope it leads to greater diversified membership for the Liberals as the numbers are dying.

Happy Thansgiving Day.....oh,......sorry, if I offended you.

[old_bold&cold]

One of the ladies did imply there was fear about such lists.

What is it about the title that you find inaccurate or offensive? It is the Conservative party that has a list. It is Jewish people on the list. As seen above, at least one Jewish recipient is concerned about a list and the how and why it was compiled.

I am more concerned over lists on information where there is no consent given.

You know one of the worst things I find in this, is that the privacy Act has been so over utilised in the most foul way possible, to try and achieve political gain. When personal privacy gets to this level of pettiness, then it is time to call a time out. This never was in the spirite of the privacy act and therefore should not even be considered. The courts do recognise the spirite of the laws, and this has been stretched so thin by the liberal trying to make points, that it is totally disgusting and the liberals are even trying to invoke the events of the camps of the WWII times. That is wrong to do and I should hope that it costs them dearly for such an attempt. Just how low can a polical party go, before they say it is too contemptable to do this? the answer is even scarier then the question.

Edited October 8, 2007 by old_bold&cold

[Argus]

Some people get quite offended by Christmas mail that comes unsolicited and personally addressed.

Morons, you mean?

[Argus]

The article specifically mentioned a few different people who received the posting and wondered how their religion came to be on a list of a political party.

The article specifically mentioned a few different "LIBERALS" not people.