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I don't know much about vaccines but the CBC said that 74,000 people die at the hands of the Canadian Healthcare system every year. Maybe this is more important than gun control that the criminals somehow refuse to comply with and costs 2B taxdollars just to make Liberals feel like they are controlling people.

Cagey are you a civil servant or work for an ad firm?

Testimony given under a ban by Gomery is being leaked in the USA and it is very damning of the Liberal Corruption machine. The stink reaches very high and widespread. Word has it the BQ will rise in the House on Monday and challenge the Liberals with some or all of this info. It would be very good indeed to see Chretein/Martin in legirons. ** URL Removed By Admin ** Sorry folks, but I can't allow you to link to the "leaked" testimony in these forums. I'll also remind everyone that it is illegal for anyone in Canada to discuss the testimony publicly. Sorry, Greg Admin

Chairman Mo or Maurice Strong Paul Martin's Chief Advisor and Mentor. Former CEO of PowerCorp. The #2 at the UN next to Koffi Annus the author of the KYOTO Swindle. http://www.fathersforlife.org/doc/EarthWor...resentation.pdf

Ceasar you are an idiot, the only way the Liberals maintain there advantage is via allowing immigrants to vote before they know the facts. Immigration costs the taxpayer Billions in resettlement, most of them are not a benefit immediately. Canada takes to many immigrants now as it is, most of the family class immigrants do not work or pay taxes so should not have the right to a vote, it used to take 10 years to get citizenship in Canada and they had to be welfare and criminal free years. That is what we should return to. And they should not have a vote until they have been here 10 years. As for mobilty of citizens don't talk so stupid. The only ones who would not be allowed to move would be non citizens. The immigrants of family class should not have rights to any healthcare unless they pay for it themselves. As far as your worn out argument that only natives have rights BS. The natives lost the war and their rights transferred to the dominant European culture read your history dummy. The natives possessed very little of the land at all and the european culture was a great benefit to them all. They were a stone age culture without horses or steel and at the time the Eurpeans came here their numbers were very small, they have done very well living off the new culture.

You miss the point Trudeau. The reason for immigration is for the needs of the Provinces, not the needs of Pottawa to get votes. And since once the immigrant/refugee is released into a Province and the initial pittance is paid by Pottawa the taxpayers of said Province must pay the freight for evermore for said immigrant/refugee. Hence the immigration levels and needs should be set by the Province according to the numbers and skills needed in that Province not just Pottawa picking numbers and people willy nilly as they choose. This would also get rid of those who deal in human flesh the Immigration consultants. Remember Immigration is a priveledge and not a right. When said immigrant arrives in Canada they should not have voting rights at all until they have been here for 10 years and demonstrated that except in exceptional cases they have not been a burden on the tax payers of Canada. The extended family class were one good immigrant is selected and he then brings in uncles aunts brothers grandpa and cousins should end immediately most of these people do not honor their pledge to maintain their extended families. It should also be law that they recieve no free healthcare until they have paid taxes for at least 10 years and no free healthcare for any extended family members let them buy insurance. If they can't afford insurance they should not be here getting free healthcare at all.

Mulroney made the deal with Quebec about allowing Quebec to pick their own immigrants, that is true, but all Provinces should do the same. Quebec is right to do that.

Yah Martin's record as Finance Minister has never been beaten yet, he raised taxes further and faster than any other Finance Minister in the history of Canada. He also hid Billions in special funds that are beyond MP's scrutiny so he is also slimy and underhanded as well.

There is very little free and Independent Press or media at all in Canada. The Communist Broadcasting Corp. recieves 1.4B scarce tax dollars this year alone. All the other forms of media recieve tax dollars in subsidy or or tax breaks. I see no reason at all for the tax payer to subsidize any one of them left or right wing. Although I don't know of any right wing media sources in Canada. The CRTC should be completely shut down and disbanded, they just closed down CHOI radio in Quebec, if that is not state control what is, anyways why would anyone want to pay people to decide what they cannot see or hear, that sounds pretty Marxist to me. That kind of thinking does not belong in a so called democracy. The total public debt in Canada from these nanny state programs is about $4,000,000,000,000.00 dollars. Taxes have risen about 1300% since 1960's. We need less government in our lives and drastically lower taxes.

Blackdog Canadians are overtaxed plain and simple, even a man living in a cardboard tax pays taxes on the money he panhandled and used to buy tobacco so much for the left wings pantings on help the poor help the poor, when in reality they rob the poor. The heaviest taxed tho is the middle class.

Canada is way over regulated. In Canada with about 30m people we now have some 400,000 Pages of rules regulations and laws. That is ridiculous. It costs over 12b in tax dollars each year just to shuffle that paperwork from desk to desk. 400,000 pages of laws is a stack of paper so high you need an extention ladder to reach the top page.

The actual cost of c-68 is rapidly appraoching 2B tax dollars and there is not one documented case of it saving any lives whatsoever. More people die canoeing in Canada than are murdered by guns each year another Liberal Feel good idea that will not and has not worked. 2B taxdollars to harrass duck hunters and farmers is not money well spent.

At a time when the largest share of the middle class family budget goes to pay taxes I for one see no reason for a tax funded State Owned TV service. Taxes now consume more of the family budget than food, shelter, clothing and transportation in Canada. The CBC TV state propaganda machine consumes 1.4B in tax dollars a year in a thousand channel universe at the same time get rid of the CRTC I think anyone old enough to pay taxes is old enough to decide what to listen to and what they want to watch without the good comrades in Ottawa drawing fat paycheques and telling us what is good for us.

I find it very amusing but very telling to read some of the posts here describing Canadian politics or the Canadian system as democratic. Which country has the head of a foreign power as it's head of state. Which country's leader is elected by his own party and then elected by 30,000 voters in his own riding and proceeds to speak for 30,000,000 people. Which country then allows this person with a very small mandate 30,000 votes to appoint all their senators from a long list of flakes and cronies. Which country then allows this person to appoint all judges to the Supreme Court without any review at all. He then proceeds to make some 3,000 additional appointments including judges in all the provinces from his list of friends and supporters. He owns the National Police the RCMP because he appoints the head of the RCMP. The voters do not have equal votes the deck being stacked as well. It takes 4 votes from say Alberta to equal 1 vote from the east. As for those suggesting partition of the Provinces that would probably result in a lot of blood shed and is a very foolish thing to even suggest. Canada was never historically ran from the centre that started with the egomaniac Trudeau and will lead to the destruction of Canada. The country is just to big to be ridgidly controlled from the centre. The BNA Act although never a Canadian document the original belongs to a foreign power England is very clear in defining the powers All section 91 lays out what is the jurisdiction of the head of the United Colony of Canada. Section 92 lays out what is the jurisdiction of the Provinces. The problem is that Ottawa does not obey the law. The Provinces created Ottawa not Ottawa the Provinces. Ottawa does not even own the land that the Parliament buildings sit on the people of Ontario own that land. Last but not least the Premier of Canada at the City of Ottawa appoints his own Phony Rubber Stamp the GG to try and lend credibilty to the corruption that he is the Unelected King of, the United Colony of Canada. The very best thing for the ROC would be to support Quebec going Independent when the next referendum comes along in the next year or two. I know I will send my money and support.

The extended family class of immigrant is were most of the problems occur. One good immigrant gets in and is allowed to sponsor a long list of others, they are supposed to take responsibilty for these people but many don't and the taxpayer and healthcare systems are overwhelmed with them. I think extended family class immigration needs to be ended except in special cases. Immigration is a priveledge not a right.

The Provinces should be the ones in charge of all immigration as this is were the immigrant ends up, and gets all their services from not Ottawa. Instead of Ottawa allowing in thousands each year the Provinces could come up with lists of people and skills needed in each Province and ask Ottawa to seek out these people. Immigration is a priveledge not a right.

Maybe somebody in Canada should talk about Provincial Independence Parties. In June Quebec will set the stage for their next referendum. We have Independence Parties in Sask. Alberta, BC and we have a Western Bloc Federal Party forming right now which will include Manitoba, Sask, Alberta and BC. Something must be wrong for all this to be happening.

Canada has become one of the least democratic countries in the West. I think the above reports show some of the corruption. What would you suggest to correct the democratic deficits and corruption that have come to symbolise the maple leaf and Ottawa politics.

So you are denying that Trudeau worked for Desmarais, and was his gollum, Mulroney worked for Desmarais and was his gollum, Chretein worked for Desmarais and is his gollum, his daughter is even married into the Family Compact. Martin worked for Desmarais and is his gollum, heck Desmarais even made him a rich man by basically giving him CSL. In fact Strong, Martin, Chretein, Mulroney, and Rae as well Desmarais are all still members of the Privy Council to this day. The Family Compact is alive and well in Canada. One man Desmarais has basically hand groomed and hand picked all 4 of these Liberal Swine for the dumb Liberal voters of Quebec and Ontario. http://www.powercorporation.com/index.php?lang=eng

The King's Writ extends only as far as His Muskets. Ottawa has no muskets in fact they don't even have a Military in the true sense of the word anymore. I suspect the bedwetting Liberals would not be able to do much if Alberta or Quebec or NFLD for that matter decided to pull the plug on the ROC. A lot of handwringing and betwetting. Maybe the odd Little Squeal. If any of you bothered to read the BNA all the land and the resources in fact every blade of grass belongs to the Provinces and hence those who occupy the Provinces which would be the people of each Province. Be careful because Ottawa has been operating without a ratified constitution for a very long time. Not one single voter anywhere in Canada has ever sanctioned the hodge podge BNA Act or so called constitution. We are free to leave when ever we meaning the voters of a Province decide by a simple majority to pull the plug on Pottawa and the ROC. For example if Pottawa decides to bring in a Green/Carbon Tax on Alberta and causes problems in Alberta's Oil Patch I think Albertan's would heave out Pottawa and all things to do with the ROC. Alberta would go it without the Socialist Millstone on its back. In fact Alberta is rich enough to do that without any Income Tax or Property Tax being imposed, in fact if Albertan's start to wake up they would realise that without sending Foreign Aid to the ROC and Pottawa they would not need to charge these taxes right now.

I assume by working together you mean you will support a Republic. No rubber stamp phony Monarch. A SOC that is made up of candidates selected by the Provinces alone. A real constitution putting severe limits on government and making the rights of the Individual paramount. A country with property rights that are real and protected. A directly elected PM, not one that is elected by only 30,000 voters. A directly elected head of state not a CBC flake appointed for us as a rubber stamp to do the bidding of a Premier/Prime Minister who is not mentioned in the Constitution. A country were the Parliament of the City of Ottawa obeys the constitution and does not trample on Provincial rights and jurisdiction. If you can work together on these things Canada might continue for awhile.

The Canadian system is very very rigged and corrupt. First off lets discuss the Premier/Prime Minister, he is handpicked by The Family Compact lead by Paul Desmarais of Powercorp and the Liberal Party of Canada in a safe seat and well financed by Paul Desmarais/Powercorp he is elected by 30,000 voters in his riding to speak for 30,000,000 voters. In a free state you have one equal man/woman and one equal vote. The Senate should be EEE or it should be abolished. The Privy council should consist of selections from each Province not flake buddies of the sitting PM/Premier. Each GG should be directly elected and wield power over the PM. Canada is a hopeless corrupt cesspool of corruption.

My goodness Terrible Squeal a CBC article on the Powercorp scandal. Perhaps you would not refute anything from the Mothercorp Pravda herself. More Desmarais. This is the Godfather the man who really runs Canada. Desmarais most powerful? Peter Black, Press Republican Few people on this planet and perhaps only one in Canada, could have a guest list for a party at their remote country home that includes the king of Spain, Bill Clinton, George Bush Sr., Leo DiCaprio and Sarah Ferguson. That Canadian is Paul Desmarais, arguably the most powerful man in Canada. Desmarais is powerful not just because he is unimaginably rich thanks to the $100 billion Power Corp. empire he built from scratch; he’s a giant because he has used his power to gain unprecedented political influence, not for any demonstrable financial gain, mind you, but simply because he enjoys playing politics as much as he likes making money. This past weekend, in a supreme display of the influence he has accumulated in his 52 years as an operator in the business world, Desmarais summoned dozens of notables from business, politics and entertainment to his newly completed $40-million (estimated) spread in Quebec’s spectacular Charlevoix region. The guest list was kept extremely hush-hush — another testament to Desmarais’s power. The above-mentioned names were only rumored, but no matter, any one of them would fit comfortably into Desmarais’ wide circle of friends from around the world. That circle includes the three longest-serving prime ministers of the last 35 years, Pierre Trudeau, Brian Mulroney and Jean Chretien. Chretien’s daughter France married Andre, one of Desmarais’s two sons, making that circle a little tighter than others. Desmarais’s right-hand man at Power Corp. is John Rae, a long-time Chretien advisor and the man who ran two of the three election campaigns that brought Liberals majority governments since 1993. Desmarais is also on pretty close terms with the prime minister-in-waiting, Paul Martin, who, after all, employed him at Power Corp. for many years. In 1981 he sold to Martin Power’s shipping line, Canada Steamship Lines, which Martin grew into the largest shipper of its kind in the world before entering politics. (Martin last month transferred ownership of CSL to his three sons to free himself for the Liberal leadership campaign which ends in November.) A roomful of politicians have worked for Desmarais, either on their way up or down the political ladder. Daniel Johnson Jr., for example, Quebec Liberal leader and briefly premier, was Power’s corporate secretary for a time. Daniel’s dad, Daniel Sr., another Quebec premier, was a close crony of Desmarais’s. The story is told of how Desmarais flew to Hawaii to convince the vacationing Johnson to drop a five-year plan for Quebec independence. He was also tight with Robert Bourassa despite the premier’s efforts to block his attempt to buy a Quebec City newspaper, which he eventually acquired anyway, giving him control of most major newspapers in Quebec. He spoke to Bourassa days before he died of cancer in 1996. Bourassa, always considered a wavering federalist, told Desmarais Quebec needed to move on from the debate over sovereingty. Desmarais’s wealth and power are enough to assure him superstar status among Canadian and global entrepreneurs. But what puts Desmarais in a category by himself is how he, a French-Canadian from the Northern Ontario mining town of Sudbury, has earned a place in a Canadian business establishment populated entirely by English-Canadians. For years he was the only French-Canadian on the boards of major Canadian companies, invited there not out of tokenism, but because of his ever-increasing financial clout. Desmarais represents the triumph of French-Canadians within a country dominated by English-speakers, a role the 76-year-old tycoon takes seriously. While embraced by the new generations of francophone business leaders of Quebec Inc., he is no darling of Quebec nationalists. Desmarais, in fact, all but froze Montreal-based Power’s activities in Quebec after the separatist Parti Quebecois was elected in 1976. It is only in recent years that Power has again become a major player in the domestic corporate world. Desmarais used the hiatus to put together a corporate colossus in Europe, one that includes the largest broadcasting network on the continent, one of the world’s largest oil companies, a Swiss salami company and a 12-percent share of the company that owns the Suez canal. Paul Desmarais officially retired as president of Power Corp. in 1996, although he remains chairman of the executive committee and is majority owner. His sons, Paul Jr. and Andre, now manage the company day-to-day. Though slowed by several heart operations and normal aging, Desmarais is reported to still be the master of the empire he built. In his semi-retirement he has overseen the construction of his estate near the Saguenay River. The project turned a hunting lodge, set on 10,000 acres of forest with five lakes, once owned by one of Desmarais’s paper companies, into a dream compound. And that’s where Desmarais hosted his exclusive set of friends for a country-style barbecue few of them are likely to forget. Much like history is not likely to forget a giant like Desmarais. Some of the facts and anecdotes about Desmarais in this column come from the Canadian Establishment series by author Peter C. Newman. Desmarais, Newman notes, is the only Canadian business leader to be featured in all three volumes, spanning more than 25 years. Peter Black is a syndicated columnist writing about Quebec and the producer of a daily current-affairs program for Canada’s public radio broadcaster (CBC), based in Quebec City. His column appears every Friday. He can be reached by e-mail: [email protected] • • • _________________ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. -- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776--"If You Haven't Suffered Enough It Is Your God Given Right To Suffer Some More" Wm. Aberhart Alberta Premier

My goodness Terrible Squeal can all these sources dared to to go public and risk the wroth of one of the most powerful Family Compact's in the history of Canada without a shred of truth. I think not, I think maybe before these stories were published their lawyers looked at all the facts. I realize that many Liberals such as yourself are whistling past the graveyard, but I think that as Canadian voters start to get the facts of this issue and from more than one source such as the co-opted CBC they will start to get very very angry. When they think back to the Principalled stand of the crook Chretein rising in the commons and saying we will not be going into Iraq all the while his daughter is married to the son of Paul Desmarais his in-law, who has 12B us invested in the oil fields of southern Iraq through his oil company totalfinaelf, oh yes Liberal Canadian Values. Dirty filthy theives all the while the average middle class family in Canada pays more in taxes than they do for food shelter clothing and transportation. Disgusting Liberal Canadian Values. We will steal from Iraqi children and you the taxpayer will pay extortionate taxes. Liberal Canadian Values Stupid.

My My Terrible Squeal I can understand you being afraid but that is ok, you will be ok. Now then Section 91 of the BNA lists those things which belong to the Parliament sitting at the City of Ottawa Ontario. Section 92 of the BNA Act lists those things which are the exclusive jurisdiction of the Provinces. The Queen is indivisible, this has already been argued and settled in the SOC and the Privy Council. Which means in layman's terms that the Appointed GG at the City of Ottawa Province of Ontario has exclusive jurisdiction of those items listed under Section 91 of the BNA Act, and the Lt. Gov. residing in any Province has jurisdiction of all items under section 92 of the BNA Act. These rubber stamp monarchs serve at the pleasure of the Premier/Prime Ministers. The people of the Provinces automatically inherited all soveriegn right with the signing of The Statute of Westminister 1931 by His Imperial Majesty and the Office of the United Colony of Canada at Pottawa. Since that time the Sovereign of Gr. Brit. has legally had nothing to do with her former Colony and all Sovereign and Common Law Right reverted to all the Provinces automatically and resides in the people of the Provinces awaiting their action. All GG since 1931 have been appointed by the Premier of Ottawa there is no legal link to Britain or the Crown of England. The people possess the land and have this possession by the Ancient Right of Emminent Domain. And finally the King's Writ extends only as far as the King's Muskets.