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Not many people thought it was so funny when Crouton got pied.... That photo in yesterday's Globe will be put up over and over again..... It's Stanfield dropping the football all over again. The only difference is,Harper cannot be blamed in any way for what happened to him.

Kanada Dry, Even if yopu are not concerned if they pass on sooner, you must appreciate the costs that their lifestyle adds to the medical system tab. Still, if you have any compassion on these people whatsoever, one cannot support libertarian measures that facilitate, and even enshrine such lifestyles. Heck, in some schools they are even teaching that it's OK to be gay! It isn't. And there is a way out, as many former homosexuals can testify. It is not easy, but it is doable. Quitting smoking isn't easy, nor is quitting drinking or gambling, but it can be done. Giving homosexuality society's blessing is the wrong message to send.

This post is neither neanderthal, nor bigotted. It is a FACT that the lifespan of the average homosexual is 41 years. It drops to 39 when AIDS is factored in. The average male lives 74 years. I can reel off a host of statistics on STDs which reduce quality and quantity of life, and theb treatment of which, cost our medical system (read: taxpayers) a fortune. The document, which I am in the process of locating, and will post latrer if someone else does not do it before me, will also tell about the various acts that homosexuals engage in which cause physiological dmage, and that by their very nature, are conducive to the spread of disease. What is neanderthal is the PRIMITIVE idea that seems to pervade this society, that sexual promiscuity (straight and gay) is one's RIGHT. And you want society to give this perverted lifestyle its blessing? THAT is neanderthal.

I hope the weasel gets the drubbing he so richly deserves. I think he is going to have to answer for alot more than many of them: He'd a medical doctor, yet stands for the promotoion of a lifestyle (homosexual) which statistically cut the average lifespan in half, he beleives that society should effectively sanction SMOKING POT, by legalizing it, and worst of all, after having taken an oath to do whetever one can to preserve life, and to refrain from anything that shortens it (Hyppocratic oath) he approves of abortion, a surgery that cures nothing, and where 50% of patients end up dead! I hope he gets his liberal ass kicked.

It's the social liberals that I call extremist. There is nothing so extreme as promoting the butchery of the unborn as a means to avoid the consequences of ones actions. Isn't the wonton taking of innocent life a form of neanderthal barbarism and thus extremism? What about the promotion of the homosexual lifestyle? Isn't promoting a dangerous behaviour which cuts lifespans in half, and urges primitive animalisticic unrestrained sexuality, ie: promiscuity? Isn't THAT extremist? I think the left has taken a page from Orwell: "War is peace" "Freedom is Slavery" ""Ignorance is Strength" to which they add "Moderation is extremism" Stronach would be a mistake, since it would result in a 1993 style debacle, there wouldn't be a "next election" Without the so-cons in their coalition, conservtaives cannot form a government.

Springer, Let's stop with the east vs west thing. There's alot of us here who want to kick elitist ass as badly as you. More and more I'm thinking the merger was a big mistake. It seems to have given the Progressives, who were on life support a new lease on life. Maybe we should have let them have one more election if only so they could die.

Martin was always a misfit within the Reform/CA. For one thing, he supports abortion, gay right and legal pot. There's that, and I also think he's been reading the polls showing the Liberals ahead in BC. That will change in a hurry on account of the BCLibs scandal sheet.

In a one member one vote system, I'd say you were spot-on, but this is the old Tory delegated system, where a Quebec riding with 10 members has the same clout as an Alberta riding with 7000 members. In Ontario and Quebec where most of the ridings are located, depending on how many memberships are sold (and by whom) , there could be enough delegates to deny Mr Harper a first ballot victory. Don't underestimate what depths the eastern progressives can and will go to to stop Harper. watch the newspapers. Remember in 1993, how Kim Campbell always looked dignified in press photos while she was their darling, and then when the wroite her off, the photos always showed her looking shrewish. Honestly, Harper looked like a clown on the Globe's front page today.

Word in the press is that Martin will announce tomorrow that he will leave the Canadian Alliance Caucus and sit as an independent and will then vie for the Liberal nomination in Esquimat-Juan-de-Fuca. I assume that he will join the Liberal Caucus when and if he wins the nomination.

If they elect Paris Hilton as leader, then why would they need a new PC party? It'll be there already, and Jolly Joe, John herron and andre bchand are free to rejoin!!!!! There will be a market for a new Reform party, though.

There will be alot of new memberships sold over the next few weeks, and rest assured that if anyone has the clout to move those numbers in critical areas in Quebec and Ontario, and points east, Brian Mulroney & Mike Harris can.

Never say never. The day will come , I assure you, when the chickens hatched from the disastrous socially liberal policies followed by sucessive governments since that arrogant twit trudeau will come home to roost. People will then be faced with some stark choices, and will then, if they have even a shred of common sense left, elect a government that will reverse the social liberalism that is rotting this once great country to the core.

Nonsense. The social conservatives will never accept her. Big Corporate overpriveleged spoiled brat. No thanks. She will never be PM. Conservatives have never ofrmed government without so-cons, and she will, if she's lucky, emerge with party status. It'll be 1993 all over again. As for Jacko being leader of the opposition, If Stronach wins the leadership, it becomes a reasonable possibility. Massive Liberal win. itty-bitty opposition. Probably with fewer seats than Broadbent won them in '88.

If she wins, most of us are out of there. The CA could easily regroup leaving her and the progressives floundering.

Yep, truly sad indeed. Canada is to become a one party state, it would seem. Credit for the "Paul Martin in a cocktail dress" rightly belongs to Tony Clement's people, though I will take credit for calling her the Paris Hilton of Canadian politics. More and more I think Prince Metternich (another poster here) was right when he said that the CA should have fought out one more election just to ensure the death of the PC party of Canada. Your statement that one cannot be socially liberal and fiscally conservative and CALL oneself a conservative cannot be repeated often enough. What we saw on the front page of the Globe today is just the beginning of what Harper will face this campaign, and it will not be the Federal Liberal party behind the character assassinations, but rather the PROGRESSIVE conservatives. They will attempt to hold him up to ridicule, just as the Libs did to Stock Day, only since they won't be able to sink him on what he says, they will use the lens of a camera and get him in any unflattering position they can. Meanwhile Paris Hilton, who has nothing worthwhile to say will be photographed at her very best.

It seems to me that the new Conservative Party is headed for disaster. Heavy hitters in the Party, including Ralph Klein and Mike Harris, not to mention Bill Davis, Brian Mulroney and others are lining up behind Belinda Stronach's leadership bid. Should this happen, I think that in spite of what appeared to be a commanding lead held by Stephen Harper (no friend of Christians), that the media will do whatever it can to make Harper look like an idiot and get Stronach elected leader. It has already started. Look at todays Globe which features Marge Delahunty from "this Hour has 22 minutes" planting a smooch on Harper's mouth, leaving a huge , ridiculous looking circle of red lipstick! This is a real possibility since, under the delegated system that was agreed to by the two parties, ridings in Quebec and Ontario will have disproportionate strength with respect to their feeble membership levels, vis-a-vis western ridings. Should Ms. Stronach be elected leader, I think that social conservatives will leave the party, disgruntled and in droves. Most Reformers are not overly trusting of Bay Street magnates, nor do the particularly relish the idea of a woman with two failed marriages and a rumoured tryst with a married man (Bill Clinton, so the rumour goes.) leading the party. She is known to be a supporter of gay rights. Her views on abortion are not widely known, and I am not, as of yet , privy to them, though I have my suspicions that we'd get the pat answer of "I personally don't agree with it, but I believe in Other women's rights to make decisions concerning their own bodies". Nevertheless, it seems that no matter who wins, the philosophical divisions on life issues , though fiscal priorities are by and large compatible will drive a wedge through the parties. The Progressives ( I believe they only put up with Elsie Wayne because of 1993) can't live with the social conservative wing, and the Reformers will not be able to reconcile themselves to running on a socially liberal agenda. If Stronach does win, we are looking at a massive Liberal majority with the possibility of either a NDP or Bloc opposition. The Bachand, Clark and Herron issues are of no real consequence.

Heavy hitters getting behind Paris Hilton- er, Belinda Stronach Tell me guys, does this still look like an Alliance takeover? If this woman wins, she'll find herself leading a new PROGRESSIVE conservative Party. I'm beginning to wonder whether the merger was not such a good idea after all.

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Prentice was too much of a social liberal. He needs to raise his profile by serving as an MP first. Now he's playing in the big leagues, so serious money is required, and consequently harder to come by than when one is a big fish in a small pond.

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Tone it down, MR PC.... There's at least as much intolerance in your "enlightened" east as out west. Intolerance of Christians, Judeo-Chriostian values, for starters. And the same sneering down their noses as you just demonstrated with that unwarranted attack on westerners. Go join Brison in the Liberal party, and sneer all you want...until May that is, when Mr harper wipes those smug grins off your faces!

We miss him like a hole in the head.

What makes you think MacKay will run? It is said he's in debt up to his ears for the last run, not to mention that the Orchard parchment has turned him into tainted tuna. Believe me, I have no problem with him, but rest assured the Liberals will hold up their copies of that paperevery time he makes a promise.

Paris Hilton for PM.... Rah rah. How do you spell political suicide? B-E-L-I-N-D-A .

Well, if Keith Martin doesn't jump to the Liberals, I'm sure he'll get behind "Paul Martin in a cocktail dress". her social liberalism is right down his alley. In other words, if he did pull a Joe Pesky-mosquito and jump, he'd be no great loss, and gurantee his own defeat at the polls next time out.