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I suspect you're right that in both countries the government will eventually get its own way. However, it does seem that it's a lot easier for that to happen here in Canada than in the USA.
The Right to Property was left out of our Charter deliberately, you know. It was a bone thrown to Ed Broadbent to get him onside with the Agreement. If such a Right doesn't matter, why was it so important to Ed in the first place?
As I recall the provincial premiers and there officials were involved in the discussions that culminated in the repatriation of the constitution and the eventual promulgation of the Charter. To subscribe such power to Ed Broadbent is, to say the least, a stretch. As a property owner I am certainly aware of the parameters of property ownership as it relates to land and housing. I doubt there is much difference between the mechanism here and in many of the states in the USA.
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He was an accountant. Emplyed by a large firm because of his degree in economy.
Saipan I would like you to identify the large firm you allege Stephen Harper was employed at.
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About what? That there a lot of sane people living on the streets? If so, i hope you're kidding.
You seem to be looking for some attention so I will oblige you but before I do I am wondering if you can explain to me the relevance of your statement to the topic at hand.
I take it the link you have provided is intended to highlight the plight of children in distress.
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If you want to see REAL hatred you should watch Ed Shultz and Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.
I watch both of these gentlemen from time to time and suggest to you neither of them come close to Caribou Barbie when it comes to inflamatory rhetoric.
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"Sometimes, though, in domestic violence cases the victim/accuser withdraws the charges, making it more difficult for charges/prosecution/sentencing to take place."
Yes and that is regrettable as in such circumstances the abuse usually continues and may lead to death and serious injury. In urban areas there are shelters available to women and their children and as well resource centres to help these distressed individuals in transition. My wife worked as a flight nurse for several years and witnessed first hand the conditions in the more remote areas of the province. It was not a pretty picture she painted.
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There's no deceit involved at all. The NDP openly identifies as social democratic on their party website, in Layton's writings, campaign literature, speeches, ...: http://www.ndp.ca/vision/economy
If anything, provincial NDP governments have probably been less social democratic in practice than the party's literature tends to suggest.
Manitoba is a perfect exmaple. Doer was(is) something other than social democratic in his views.
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Good morning.
I didn't mean to suggest that you were proposing that, so sorry if it appeared that way.My comments were in response to a few comments that have been made. I agree that some people with severe problems have slipped through the cracks but I also agree that some have exercised their right through advocates/the proper channels. Perhaps not all should have been released, but that's different from falling through the cracks. Also, the observation was made that some haven't been institutionalized until they've actually committed an act of violence along with the comment that it saves money to do it that way, so I was responding to that idea, also, saying we can't institutionalize everyone on the basis of the potential for violence. Many people could fall under that category, and that's a dangerous direction to take. I think there was more of that mentality in the past, and people who shouldn't have been institutionalized were against their will.
I think in a democracy we have to live with some possibility of violence in order for freedoms/rights of the masses to prevail, and I see that as a better alternative than the state institutionalizing people on their prerogative/whim 'for the good of the people;' I think that 'for the good of the masses' mentality too often leads to a police state.
You have put forward a well thought out position and it is difficult for me to quibble with much of what you have said. I am wondering if you can provide an example or two of those individuals choosing advocacy as it is unclear to me what you are intending to convey in that regard. Although I realize advocacy can have several meanings advocacy to me is the utilization of legal counsel once a person is brought up on a charge or charges.
A second point I would like to explore is the cost factor. If we use the recent incident in Arizona as an example it appears budget cuts may have resulted in a decline of resources available to address those with mental health needs.
I would like to make it clear that I am not proposing that anyone be apprehended on a whim although if violent conduct resulting in injury occurs I support the idea of confinement if the circumstances at the scene dictate such action. In the city I live in there is a zero tolernace guideline in domestic violence cases. In my view no one should turn a blind eye to violent conduct.
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Certainly some people fall through the cracks, due to lack of funding. We certainly can't institutionalize everyone with mental health issues on suspicion that they might act violently some day, either.
Good morning. I am not proposing that. What I am suggesting is that the use of violence by an individual must require a consequence and that, depending upon the circumstances, an institutional setting is the most appropriate place for such a person.
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Yes...but they are only American. Sorry!
Despite the disproportionate number of mentally ill people among the homeless population, the
growth in homelessness is not attributable to the release of seriously mentally ill people from
institutions. Most patients were released from mental hospitals in the 1950s and 1960s, yet vast
increases in homelessness did not occur until the 1980s, when incomes and housing options for
those living on the margins began to diminish rapidly (see "Why Are People Homeless?," NCH
Fact Sheet #1). However, a new wave of deinstitutionalization and the denial of services or
premature and unplanned discharge brought about by managed care arrangements may be
contributing to the continued presence of seriously mentally ill persons within the homeless
population.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Mental_Illness.pdf
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No...they did not fall through any cracks...they asserted their constitutional rights with the help of "advocates". Lots of sane people live on the streets too.
Do you have any statistics and/or reports to backup your assertion?
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Certainly not everyone, but anyone who is a danger to themselves or others and/or convicted/committed by a court. We used to institutionalize people with mental health issues on a routine basis, but now we just wait for the violent ones to act out. Saves a lot of money!
People were removed from institutions and placed in the community with the promise of adequate resources for these individuals. Unfortunately many of these people fell through the cracks and either live on the streets or in some wretched bug infested building.
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Do you think confining everyone with anger management issues/everyone who's resorted to violence to institutions, and/or making people take meds, is compatible with the idea of a democracy?
Yes I do subject of course to the rule of law.
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Interesting piece here with some good points. If the NDP didn't exist, would most of their supporters gravitate to the Liberals, thus giving them a majority?
http://www.therecord.com/opinion/columns/article/473070--the-ndp-no-longer-has-a-reason-to-exist
The NDP no longer has a reason to exist
I take it you are referring to the current circumstances federally. History shows the NDP(CCF) has played a signifigant role in shaping public policy here in Canada. While I certainly have some issues with the position my local MP (Jim Maloway) took on the long gun registry I do, on balance, normally support the NDP federally. Given the stance Jim Maloway took on the long gun registry my vote will go to the Green Party in the next election.
The current leader of the Liberals is too conservative for my liking and as such I wouldn't even consider a vote for that party until it demonstrates that it presents policy consistent with my social democratic views. I have never voted conservative and it is highly unlikely I ever would vote for such a party.
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I think calling millions of people racists, just because you disagree with their politics is more than a little hurtful. It only fosters more anger which can lead to violent situations.
Those who are unable to manage anger and resort to violence ought to be confined to an institution and/or medicated.
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I have a little sports patriotism but even then it's only a game...if my city actually had hockey players that weren't paid mercenaries I might even have some civic patriotism but I don't
I tend to agree with you although in the case of the junior players they haven't attained the status of paid mecenaries. Monetary considerations aside I really enjoy Olympic hockey as it is fast and exciting in addition to highlighting the skills of these elite athletes.
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Loughner is hardly unique
By: Allan Levine / Now & Then
Posted: 01/15/2011 1:00 AM
We may never know for certain what prompted Jared Lee Loughner, a troubled 22-year-old college student, to open fire in Tucson, Ariz., on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and her supporters, killing six innocent people and seriously injuring Giffords and many more. Easy access to guns facilitated the shooting. This is particularly the case in Arizona, where as one pundit put it, "someone can buy a Glock semi-automatic as if it were a quart of milk." But a profound fear and hatred for government also appears to have provoked Loughner into acting as he did.
The consequences of the events in Tucson are devastating. Yet in a sad commentary on American history, Loughner is hardly unique. From almost the first day the United States was established, there have been far too many Loughners, individuals who have defined "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" according to their own distorted values. Then, instead of protesting peacefully or using their vote to effect positive change, they have opted for violence.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/loughner-is-hardly-unique-113752424.html
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I've been to Houston and a little town called Kemah, and like you, I found all of the people quite friendly -- and there were cultural differences from where I live, too. Which only makes sense considering the size of the U.S., the number of states, and the vast differences among them. There is an element of patriotism at ballgames, I agree. It's part of the fun. But I think that's true in Canada, too. At least I thought so when I went to a Blue Jays game in Toronto. I do agree, though, that each society expresses its patriotism in its own way. I've seen very strong exhibitions of patriotism from other nations, and I think it's great. I think allegiance to one's country is a good thing.
I agree that allegiance to one's country is fine provided that doesn't foreclose criticism of government policy from time to time. The Blue Jays had a pretty good team in the 90s. You might notice expressions of patriotism at hockey games especially when Canada is playing the Russians or Americans. The Russians beat us recently in the junior tournament.
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Close. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is God's Country.
My country.
My son took his fellowship specialty in Texas and while he lived there I visited him on several occasions. While it certainly had some interesting cultural features I found all the people I came in contact with down there to be quite friendly. When we took in a Texas Rangers baseball game I did notice an element of patriotism expressed at the outset of the ball game. Each society expresses its patriotism in a different way with some more or less attached to such a commitment.
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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/11/armed_but_not_necessarily_dangerous
As the 20th century neared its end, the anti-government skeptics infused their theories with a millennial sense of urgency. "The wolf," said popular conspiracy writer Milton William Cooper, "is at the door." The X-Files' many devoted fans agreed with one character's assessment of the federal government in the show's fifth season: "No matter how paranoid you are," she explained, "you're not paranoid enough." No one could say that about Jared Loughner, cluttered with a toxic jumble of left- and right-wing conspiracy theories, his sources ranging from Marx to Hitler to heavy metal.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/11/a_very_american_conspiracy_theory?page=0,1
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Considering we have an election coming up in Ontario already, and considering Harper's desire to court the Ontario and GTA vote, I think he'll let the opposition bring down his government and let them take the blame. I can't see him calling a snap election in 2011, and after 2011 we'll be at 2012 anyways.
There will also be provincial elections in Manitoba and Quebec in the fall as well as B.C. I believe.
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Just like when the polls said mulroney only had 20% support in the country just before he won the biggest majority to date. The libs are hoping the public stays stupid to believe all the crap he has come out with, and the public is getting smarter all the time.
Yes and we all remember what happened to the Conservatives when people finally figured things out.
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The view that Harper will call an election is not my view, but, the view of the Gerry Nicholls who wrote this piece. He does give reasons behind his views though. I have read over and read again about Harper's hatred for the Liberals, as he was once a liberal himself, when he was younger. If Harper does have an abnormal obsession for the Liberal party then I think he's shouldn't be a leader of any country. If his plans are to get rid of the Liberal party and only have the NDP, then this will give him the power he seeks and make himself king. Frankly, I think he would seek out a shrink and talk about his problems with the Liberal party and his appetite for power. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/why-stephen-harper-will-trigger-a-spring-election/article1867837/
From what I have read Harper's affilation to the liberals in his earlier life was very tenuous. You do realize that Harper and Nicholls were both involved with the National Citizens Coalition. There is nothing at all liberal about Harper, a man with an obsession for secrecy and control and a disdain for parliamentary democracy.
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Dream on.
I am dreaming of a time when the Harperites are soundly defeated much like Mike Harris and his bunch of neoclowns.
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You should at least try to rise above being a pushy barbarian..I can be agressive..but I was brought up the eastern way...I will never offend or attack - BUT if I am attacked....I remove the threat...and this is called civilized aggression - In my youth I used to street fight - I never lost...apparently America is on one hell of a losing streak..because they attack like mad dogs...and mad dogs are easily contained as we see the quagmires that have developed under your imperialism...Time for you to civlize you nation....You can't keep going on like jerks.. and YES - American culture likes death and violence to much..this is the final sign of a fading empire...to bad - YOU could have been great.
Thanks for offering your opinion. As a point of clarification I am a Canadian. Would you please elaborate on "the eastern way".
Individual Liberty
in Political Philosophy
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A number of provinces still strenuously opposed this guarantee. While there was opposition to the whole concept of a Charter of Rights among the provinces, the actual content of the proposed Charter was of less concern, with the exception of the property rights guarantee. Accordingly, this guarantee was omitted from the Charter contained in the proposed resolution of October 1980. In the absence of a consensus on this issue, the government was prepared to defer it to the "second round" of constitutional reform, when it could be incorporated pursuant to the amending formula in the new Constitution.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp268-e.htm