CANADIEN

The former leader of the Bosnian Serbs during the Bosnian war, indicted on 15 counts of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocities committed between 1992 to 1996, has been captured. When he arrives in The Hague, I hope he gets adequate representation and a trial according to the rule of law. That way, when he is found guilty, and he will, there will be no doubt that justice has been served.

English immigrants and their descendants gave us Canada, along with the Frist Nations, the French, Irish, Scottish, Welsh immigrants and their descendants, the Loyalists and their descendants, and people from all over the word and their descendants. People are ackonwledged to be racists for less than that.

Cartier's writings tell a classic story on how linguistic exchanges occur between two groups of people with different languages who have never met. Reminds me of the way parents teach language to their children by showing an object and naming it, or the way they teach a writing system by showing an image and thw written word, or the use of images in teaching a second language. First, the French and the Iroquians communicated by signs. At some point, members of each group started pronouncing the words the associated with things they were pointing it. Cartier took two Iroquians of Stadacone to France, where they learned some French through immersion. When he returned in 1535, he used them as interpretors, learning more about their languages. Coming from a culture with a written system, it was normal that he would write down some of the words he was hearing alongside the corresponding words in his own language; it is not surprising that he misheard some of these words. As well, some of the words were absorbed into his own language, sometimes taking a different meaning. Et voila.

The only thing my answer reveals, through your answer, is that you do not know how to read. Far from me to deny the role the motivations of the European explorers and missionaries have played throughout our history. Doesn't change the fact that Cartier was clear about where the WORD Canada came from. So, first I was British, then I was an aboriginal, now I am British again. I suppose I lie to myself by knowing I am Franco-Ontarian and therefore Canadian. :lol:

As a result of the history of our great country, English and French are Canadian languages. So are the languages of the First Nations. Here we go again... He was a Canadian PM, from a province of Canada. Don't worry. The fact your drivel is on the WWW where anyone can see it makes ME ashamed that you are a Canadian. Now now, those words are a bit harsh to describe politicians who oppose the Charter. which is why you want laws that would IMPOSE it as the sole official language of commerce Go say that in stores in Vancouver's Chinatown and Rimouski :lol: Not envious of anything Here you go again, claiming that Francophones are not Canadians. You will never get it. And you want to deny people the freedom to choose the Canadian language in which they obtain government services, as well as the freedom to conduct business in other languages alongside English. true equality is a racist concept in your bigoted mind... not in the real world. Thank you for the history lesson. I didn't know the Acadians deported themselves, the Franco-Manitobans came to the legislature demanding that the rights granted to them under the terms of manitoba's entry in the Confederation be illegally taken away, and Franco-Ontarians went crying to school boards pleading with them not to acknowledge their right to secondary schools. Wake up and smell your own m*nure.

Stop it I lamost choked up real time laughing.

This is not about Cartier's belief system, or the belief system of the Iroquian. It is about the fact that he took one of the word of their language and transcribed it into a written form (including, in the process, mis-hearing the final sound of the word). And it has nothing to do with the Bible either. So now the fact he interpreted what he has heard - something I have been arguing all along - somehow proves your initial theory that the word Canada had nothing to with something he has heard? :lol: Why would I? Everybody who can read knows I haven't. Everybody who can read knows I haven't. On the contrary, I said clearly that his writings show how he heard a word from another language and integrated it into his own.. God has made no revelation about the origin of the word Canada. Now, stop blaspheming by misusing his word. The Bible says nothing about transfers of word from Iroquian languages to French in the 16th century, and everybody who can read knows it. When I want to discuss the kind of truth that is found in the Bible, I will. My previous paragraph says clearly one thing I believe is not in there. (...) Nah Nah Nah... not even about the way you attack reason.

I don't think you have it quite right... his problem is with logic and understanding how languages work and how they change. Don't worry, I too was wrong, I never expected that his next move was to invoke God :lol:

And the days of past, which you remember foundly, they treated French-speaking Canadians living outside of Quebec like second-class citizens. I'm raising it, and we both know I am right. No, which is why I know your idea of discriminating against non-Anglophones is not equality. Actually, YOU do it. You are the one who think that municipal services are no longer services once they are provided in more than one language. The only inane idea here is that Ontarians would go for legislation banning languages other than English from commerce. Let me check... the majority language of Quebec is French. Which, by your latest "logic", means that Quebec language laws are not racist. Make up your mind, will you? :lol: Oh surprise. What you don't like is cultural in nature and therefore evil, what soothes your prejudice is cultural in nature and therefore good... The English language in Ontario is not threatened by municipal language services in Ottawa, by storekeepers in Toronto's Chinatown speaking to their staff in Mandarin, or by mining executives in Sudbury talking to prospective Brazilian business partners in Portuguese.

Let's not tell him the notwithstanding clause was relunctently added by Trudeau at the request of some of the English-speaking provinces.

Cartier wrote that the inhabitant of Stadacone called a town "Canada" and you are claiming that the word Canada came from his soul and has nothing to do with any word from the language used by the inhabitants of Stadacone. It cannot be both things at the same time. So, if you are right (which you are not), then Cartier must have lied when he wrote what he wrote. I and about everyone else know he didn't lie, but transcribed (with a mistake) what he has heard. Something everybody who can read knows full well I haven't. So now I am an Holocaust-denier as well? :lol: I thought I was British.

Less we forget, it is arrogant for a Canadian to expect to be treated as a Canadian... Now, we both know full well that even if the Quebec government had never passed undemocratic and discriminatory laws you would still oppose equal lngiuistic rights in Ottawa, in Ontario and throughout Canada. So be a man and stop hiding your bigotry behind them. This is not about culture, this is about equality. It is the job of city councillor to determine who city services are being delivered. Which is exactly what they did - no more, and no less. It is fair, and they followed the rules of a democratically elected body. It is not clear... to you. Let me see... We both know a majority of Ontarians would not go for a policy of mandating English as the sole language of commerce. Which means that it would have to be implemented without a referendum. Which means that, according to your latest "logic", such a policy idea is racist. :lol:

Good idea... I must have missed the part proving Cartier lied when he wrote that the people of Stadacone called a village or town "Canada" :lol: More seriously, the one I am against is you, not God. I know it, He knows it, and everyone knows it except you.

Not quite all judgements, but the laws still violate freedom of expression. They also discriminate.

Nice try. Your belief is still clear. You state that some groups of people have a greater ability to become successful, and that Caucasians are more successful because they are Caucasians. In other words, that they are superior.

I forgot, to you French-speaking Canadians are foreigners. By doing her job Yep, he pretended he wanted to rapatriate the Constitution, include a Charter of Right and enshrine official languages. The elected House of Commons, and the elected legislatures of nine province out of ten agreed to it. And no political party has ever been elected to power in any of these provinces or at the federal level running on a program of reverting that. Thanks for yet another clue you do not know what you are talking about. Agreed. That's why I tell YOU to get out. Pointing out that you make no sense and are bigoted is not stiffling your right to make a fool of yourself. Arguing, like you do, that English should be the only official language of commerce (in another words, that English should be mandated as the only language of commerce) is what constitute an attack on free speech.

If I do, God is likely to say something like "as a one bit of eternal comfort... you were right about Cartier".

Yep, allows you to make a fool of yourself. You mean the Devil uses facts and logic too? Fact is, Canada as it exists today exists since 1867. 1760 Most remained neutral. Quebec City is turning 400 this year, this is a fact. And Jacques Cartier's own writings say exactly where the word comes from.

Go say that to my father, my godmother, the priest who baptized me (ok, he must be dead by now), the one who give me my first communion and heard my first confession (must be dead by now too), the parish priest at my parish, and the 250 or so people who see at church every Sunday. :lol: I did show you the exact words written by Jacques Cartier, and gave you the ISBN number for the most recently published edition of his writing, and the very same page (even the line) where you will read what he wrote. I am pretty sure that HE knew what he was talking about. including what Jacques Cartier wrote, which you keep ignoring feel free to show or tell us exactly where we will find any text from the French Court stating that Cartier took the word Canada out of thin air. Not a text using the word Canada, a text saying where Cartier got the word. Once again, show or tell us exactly where we will find any text from Washington stating that Cartier took the word Canada from thin air. Not a text using the word Canada or Canadian, but a text saying where Cartier got the word. Or show us even one quote from an historian supporting your view. Jacques Cartier

I am wondering what will come next. a few guesses: - Cartier lied when he wrote that the people of Stadacone called a town Canada - I'm lying when I say Cartier said that - The people of Stadacone didn't have an alphabet, so they did not have words, which means they didn't have a language - Cartier already knew before he invented the word Canada how the word is spelled - the word Canada already existed in French

And the fun (at your expense) continues. I will not dwell on the fact I'm Catholic. Only that I know of no law or rule, divine, religious or civil, that states that the first person to put down a word in writing owns it. Care to enlighten us by showing where you found it? As for the issue of pronounciation... There are two possibilities about how Cartier ended up with the word Canada. One, supported by historical research, linguistic research and Cartier's own writings, is that it came from an Iroquian word meaning "village" or "town". A second one, supported by... you, and you alone (unless you can quote historians, linguists or original sources supporting your theory), is that Cartier just got inspired by his own mind, his writing skills and the way words are pronounced in French, in other words that three syllabs just surged in his mind and that he exclaimed "Oui, c'est le nom que je vais donner à ce pays". If that's the case, can you please quote me the rule of the French language (or any other language, for that matter) that states that when someone invents a brand new word out of its own mind, it has to be pronounced a certain way and a certain way only? After all, if the word has never been written, pronounced or heard before, what basis has anybody for telling its creator "that's how you're supposed to pronounce it"?

What can i say? I do not understand what does not exist. Nice by the way, that you acknowledge that I can speak whatever language I want to speak when... you have whined about immigrants who speak their native language at home you are constantly whining about regulations that allow (rightly) citizens of Ottawa to speak in either English or French when obtaining municipal services you have said that Ontario should proclaim English to be the sole official language of commerce (in other words, no use of other languages in commerce) And btw, as a Canadian and an Ontarian, I am free to use either French or English when communicating with either government, and we both know how that irks you.

And Quebec's language legislations violates fundamental rights. Let's all deal with it.

Cartier "registered" the word Canada? We must be talking about trademarks then, not copyright. Different kind of beasts, with different rules. In Canada, a trademark must be registered with the federal government, and renewed every 15 years. In France, it has to be renewed every 10 years. I suppose I can go to the office responsible for trademark registration in either country and they will show me the last trademark registration deposited by Jacques Cartier's descendants or the French government for the word Canada.

My line of work involves issues pertaining to copyright, so it is with glee that I can say once again that you are make a foul of yourself. First, there was no copyright law in the 16th century, but for the sake of showing how wrong you are we will assume there was and that they were the same as today. Second, what is protected by copyright is not words or ideas, but the expression of those, that is the a written text, a recording, a work of art, etc. Specifically, copyright in this case would be on the text of Cartier's Relations. Third, under Canadian copyright law, copyright on a written text expires 50 years after the death of its author or its first publication, whichever occurs last Both the death of Cartier and the first publication of his writing (in the mid 16th century) occured more than 50 years ago; even if one assumes there was Crown copyright as Cartier acted for the King of France, copyright expired 50 years after first publication. Want to rely of France's copyright legislation? It's 70 years. And there are very few countries where one can claim perpertual copyright once something has been published. In other words, someone using Cartier's texts is not violating anyone's copyright (mind you, the author of a re-edition may own copyright to the formatting and any comment they had, but that's a separate issue). Fourth, the issue at hand is not who Cartier was working for, nor his religion, nor the known fact that he was the first one to put the word Canada in a written form. The issue is where the word comes from. Cartier's own writings leave no doubt on the topic. And you misunderstanding of copyright does not even come close to proving otherwise.