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eh? what are you babbling about now jack?

lucky for you, israel just gave the go ahead for the construction of new buildings in what the world (except for israel) calls east jerusalem and part of a future palestinian state. i'm sure you'll be able to get a pretty good deal for a flat there!

what part of jerusalem? the part that belongs to israel or the internationally recognized palestinian part that israel has illegally annexed?

okay. you don't care about laws, human rights organizations, experts or reports. easy enough. you're off the hook. carry on with your tribal fanaticism.

that's your defense? if you want to question or challenge them, go right ahead. why do you think that israel has avoided cooperating with investigations with these different HR organizations? don't you think they should cooperate with them in order to show that the allegations of violations of human rights are untrue?

says the fanatical settler who believes palestinian land belongs to his tribe.

once you've had a chance to go over the geneva convention then we can talk about legitimacy of actions. while you're at it, look at all the other information that have not been 'retracted' by goldstone. all of the reports that have come from HRW, the red cross and amnesty international are also a good place for you to learn a little about the situation. until then, you'll continue to sound like a rabid, fanatical extremist.

wrong dancer. unlike you, i am against attacks that can kill civilians. i never try to justify them.

what about the demolition and destruction of civilian buildings? what about the white phosphorus used by the idf? what about the use of heavy artillery in a densely populated area? what will become of the individuals who went against israel's policy against killing civilians (ex: white flag waving civilians)? what about the school that was hit? what about the UN compound that was hit which israel was fully aware of? what about all the high tech weapons with amazing accuracy that israel boasts about, which failed to be anything but accurate? this is typical israeli and their useful idiots' propaganda. you can't void a whole report because goldstone has retracted one issue after new evidence. evidence that could not be used due to the lack of israeli cooperation in the investigation.

the terrorist groups probably believe the way you do, that the message and response to israel's occupation and treatment of palestinians outweighs the civilian loss that might occur during their attacks.

your smug reaction is unwarranted. i don't even think you know what you guys are celebrating. i had a chance to read goldstone's article. i wonder how many of you have actually read it. first of all, i do blame israel and hamas for not cooperating with the mission when it first started. i am glad that israel made an effort to follow up over 400 of the allegations. this goes to show that israel's core system is still admirable and should be commended. hamas, however, failed to do any follow ups which has driven its credibility even lower. unlike what many are trying to insinuate, goldstone's article does not suggest that everything in his report was false. from what i've read in his articlein the washington post, goldstone has altered only one of his original findings. he now says that he has concluded that the idf did not intentionally target civilians during attacks in which 1400 palestinians died, of whom half were civilians and 400 were children. rather they were collateral damage, not the intended targets but people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. so really, israel and its unconditional supporters are patting themselves on the back, because the 1400 palestinians killed were not killed intentionally and as a matter of policy, which somehow makes the attack okay in their books. if that's what this has been about, then, yay, go and celebrate. now imagine if canada or even u.s. had attacked an inferior militant group in a densely populated area and had killed 1000 civilians, including 400 children (intentionally or not). that would certainly not fly in the moral compass of canadians. somehow, the die-hard israeli fans, have made this okay in the hearts and instead of questioning the policies and methods, they try to justify it.

oops. there you go again typing bs. here is the transcript. it's your word against bibi's words: Note in the first passage how Bibi brags that he has America wrapped around his thumb. The cynicism is breathtaking. Here is Dena Shunra’s translation: Bibi:…The Arabs are currently focusing on a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing… Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?” Netanyahu: the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending. Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi? Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction. Child: They say they’re for us, but, it’s like… Netanyahu: They won’t get in our way. They won’t get in our way. Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they… Netanyahu: So let’s say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It’s absurd. We have that kind of support and we say “what will we do with the…” Look. That administration [Clinton] was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price. In the following segment, Bibi boasts about how he emptied the Oslo Accords of meaning by an interpretation that made a mockery of them: Woman: The Oslo Accords are a disaster. Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that…The people [nation] has to know… What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it? Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole. Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site. Woman: Right [laughs]…The Beit She’an Valley. Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord. Woman: And despite that, one of our own people, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them – for example – Hebron… Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It’s the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: “What would your father say?” I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father’s position? …He’s not exactly a lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the question and said: “Tell the rabbi that your grandfather, Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that’s the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent.” The trick is not to be there and be broken. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price. Here are a few of Levy’s choice characterizations of Bibi’s performance in this video: …Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin…but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit, to mock America, trick the Palestinians and lead us all astray. The man in the video betrays himself in his own words as a con artist, and now he is again prime minister of Israel. Don’t try to claim that he has changed since then. Such a crooked way of thinking does not change over the years. Forget the Bar-Ilan University speech…this is the real Netanyahu. No more claims that the Palestinians are to blame for the failure of the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu exposed the naked truth to his hosts at Ofra: he destroyed the Oslo accords with his own hands and deeds, and he’s even proud of it. After years in which we were told that the Palestinians are to blame, the truth has emerged from the horse’s mouth. …The government of Israel is led by a man who…thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes.

even though i haven't had a chance to read the article he's written i applaud goldstone for showing that he is about honesty and justice. i respected goldstone for what he's done in the past and i have even more respect for him now for his response to the new information that has come out. it's too bad that israel refused to cooperate with the original mission that goldstone set out to do. ps - naomi is a different person but i don't mind if you want to continue thinking we're the same people. edit: here it is. i'll read it later.

i'm not going to give you a break. if you want to make stupid comments, i will call you on them. you questioned whether i or anyone else would know if natanyahu is deceitful or being genuine when he says he regrets that deaths of civilians and i showed you a video where natanyahu shows he is deceitful. of course, he thought the cameras were off when truth started coming out of his mouth. an honest person would not need this video to be proven that natanyahu is a lying sack of sh*t. all you have to do is listen to what he says and then watch what he does.

why don't you deal with natanyahu's own admissions in this video, where he openly admits that he has deceived the u.s., his strategy to kill or stall any process towards a palestinian state and his policy to inflict maximum carnage: now tell me that this man genuinely regrets the loss of the civilian lives. listen carefully, (or read, if you don't speak hebrew) because rarely you will see the truth coming out of natanyahu's mouth.

this incident and the future incidents are a result of the occupation and israel's policy towards the palestinians. almost all occupiers have received resistance in one form or another. you can go back to before the creation of israel when the british occupied palestine. jewish militant (terrorist) groups killed civilians as a tactic to fight against the occupier. just like the palestinian today, the jewish militants could not match the weapons of the occupier, so they used any means possible to drive the occupier out. so the occupation and israel's unwillingness to accept a just peace deal is one of the main reasons why we're witnessing this ongoing violent cycle.

you missed the third choice: - stop giving into the extreme right wing and accept that the greater israel dream is over. that they must sit down and finalize a plan. when israel is not willing to accept abbas' beyond generous offer, as revealed in the palestinian papers, then israel is showing that they're not yet ready to give up on their quest to get as much as land as possible.

your justification, which i don't agree with, can be used by those who shoot rockets and blow up buses. they have no other way of fighting against the well-equipped occupier. on one side, they'll shoot homemade rockets and on the other, they'll drop bombs and shoot missiles at targets where they know civilians could be killed. in both instances, they're violating international law. oh and stop with the bs. no one believes natanyahu's regret that civilians were killed. no one is stupid enough to believe that.

bobby, didn't you say that all of west bank belongs to the jews in another post? i can find the post if you're going to deny it. also, didn't you agree with a woman who went out of her way to go to a hillside near the gaza israeli border, during operation cast lead, to watch the idf carpet bomb gaza? that same woman commented how they should all be wiped out and she doesn't care that she's a fascist? again, i can find your post if you're going to deny it. how are your views different than people like goldstein or kahanist?

if you're not okay with that then you must not be okay with canada and united states for trading with israel despite their numerous violations of human rights and international law that has left thousands of civilians killed.

lols @ the self-proclaimed atheist using the bible as justification.

this is according to israel, which no one else agrees with. according to the UN, the united states, canada and the rest of the world, israel is still occupying gaza due to the control of movement, border, air and waters.

so basically, what you're saying is that the palestinians have to choose how they'll be f*cked by israel. either allow the occupier to bully them by taking whatever land they want, have control over their movement, water and giving up on basic rights or fight against it, which will result in more deaths. the palestinians tried the whole peaceful thing after the arab states were beaten and gave up in trying to save them. the peaceful route did not work. they really do have only 2 options at the moment. unless of course, the western governments are pressured into and stop supporting the israeli government.

riiight. comparing this situation to the war between the nasiz and allied forces is as idiotic as trying to compare canadians settling in u.s.a with jewish settlers in the west bank (a la dancer). you guys really suck at these analogies.

GAZA - Israeli air strikes and shelling killed nine Palestinians in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, medical officials said, in the deadliest day of conflict in the enclave in months. Palestinian medical officials said three youths aged 12, 16 and 17 who were playing football and an adult relative were killed by Israeli shelling, and five militants were killed later in two separate air strikes elsewhere in the Gaza Strip. more it's not okay to condemn the bus bombing that killed a civilian and then not condemn the shelling that killed civilians. the israeli government is no different than groups who order bus bombings.