Liberal Krusty

Got that right. You would think that the average Iraqi would have a complete political system in place in order to counter this US backed government. No, the US made sure that they didn't, just so they could steal their oil. Next, the USwill invade other countries like Iran and so on and forth. Maybe these countries will have a complete political system ready to take over the transfer of power so that the US cannot interfere once they have ousted the dictators and Clerics. I, like you Black Dog, know that there are groups that have popular backing from the people of each country simply waiting for UN to allow them to take power. A question to those who support the US aggression. Why did the US not consult with these popular political parties prior to the invasion? Why did they not set them up as a transitional government? Black Dog, you are one of the few around here that I have seen that make sense. The Right cannot have it both ways. Either Saddam was supporting terrorists or else he was giving them aid with money and such. Unlike you, they have failed to make a connection. Saddam only gave money to terrorists and thereby was not aiding them. Absolutely. Saddam did not have WMD. So what if after the UN lifted sanctions and left the area would have resumed trying to accquire them? The US could simply mobilize troops again when the need arose. Like a cop in Toronto when faced with a stoned maniac with a knife. Don't shoot the guy when he lunges, wait until he actually strikes somebody. Then you have a case. It was all done so Cheny could make a few bucks off his Haliburton stock. And of course, so Bush could be like Hitler and own the world, thereby expanding his spread on his Crawford Texas Ranch. And steal Iraq's oil.

They are truly barbarians. Ask any one of them when they stopped beating their wives and the reply will be one of aggression and a non commital type of disbelief. In this world of gentle people they stand out alone as terrorists.

OK, going to do something daring here, admit an error. He pushed hard in the right place. With correct pressure. Not overwhelming Churchillian pressure and willpower, but correct pressure. And don't put down Carter, he was instrumental l in getting the Shah out of power and giving it back to the people.

Don't go patting his corpse on the back to hard there Stoker, the USSR was not the former stronghold of power that it once was. He simply pushed hard in the right place.

LOL, he was a right wing nut disguised as a pacifist. In order to go against the British he sacrificed thousands of his own whom he knew would be beaten, killed and maimed before the world discovered what the British were doing. I guess to all those with aggression, both Left and Right, the end justifies the means. A good end if you were not one of those beaten or killed but another one entirely if you were. Kind of like the US in Iraq. Great for those who live but terrible for those who die. Let's move onto the Freedom Riders, how many died and were beaten that otherwise would have lived peaceful lives with the status quo? A nut is a nut, and they are all Right Wing. even when disguised as Left Wing Pacifists. As soon as they throw others in harms way they become Right Wing nuts, only the end difers the theological outlook.

You are of course 100% right Caesar. They took existing resolutions that were designed to avoid military confrontation, and twisted them, stretced them, tore and reconstructed them into their own convoluted reasoning. And in this re-reasoning of the UN's strong will, they somehow justified this illeagal oil for blood theft of democracy in Iraq to the voting saps of the USA. It may have worked for the Pro War baby killers but tosensitive thinking people like you and I, they fooled nobody.

And becomes an unstoppable object in motion. In order to set it in motion usually takes violence or in the least confrontation against a sedintary entity. Violence usually where little or none existed before (Iraq) And environmental harm is the product. If you find anything Right about being at peace and Leftist about wanting to keep things the way they are then I seriously question your political convictions.

I agree. They can be identified by their fat cat bank accounts. Follow the money. Isn't this why we have a UN? They should go in and fight the US, get them out of Iraq, at least they can make a resolution or something for crying out loud!.

The only terrorists are the US and Israel. And wait until there is a democratic vote in Iraq. What next? A chicken in every pot, freedom? The whole damm place is going to hell in a handbasket, next thing you know, instead of the prospect of death and destruction as experienced under Saddam, they will follow the US lead and start forcing criminals and rapists to wear underwear on their heads. Some progress. Exactly. Iraq was a first world industrial society complete with and effective government, now look at it! They should go immediately and get the UN to take over, get rid of Haliburton and Cheny and bring in some Arab solution to this quagmire. Maybe a Yemneni contruction company to restore it to it's former self. Got that right, and you can bet they were subsidized by the Zionist entity Israel too. They're all in bed together you know - Saddam, Bush, Sharone. The US tries to place blame on Al Queda, sure. The only propaganda I see is comming from the US. Freedom and democracy, ony if it is their democracy. The insurgents want to take Iraq and turn it over to an elected government while the US wants to enslave the Muslims so they can steal the oil. It seems the only non propaganda these days is comming from intellectuals like Martin Sheen, Danny Glover, Michael Moore (and Sean Penn as well when he isn't high, and moreso when he is.)

Excellent expose' Caesar! I only hope that this 'illegal Bush Administration hears your wise words and takes the necessary action to defeat these enemies from within so that they can get down to killing Muslims in a more humane and expeidient way. Thereby once againregaining the moral high ground. Peace, and recycle.

You're right, they should have really done stuff that Arabs can accept like chop off heads or rape wives. In reality, it is much more torturre to an Arab to degrade him. America has done the worst thing possible by staying on the moral high ground. Who's moral high ground? Theirs. time for them to become more Liberal like the Arabs themselves and start to install dictatorships rather than democracy. As we all know, America has nothing to offer in that sense except Korporate Kapitulation.

A Jihad is only necessary in order to fulfil one's promise to Allah. Don't get me wrong, I am no Muslim, rather an athiest (as any sane person would be) but believe that religious tolerance should be our main export rather than our own version of a 'Western Jihad.' After all, two wrongs don't make a right, I suppose in Bush's case, he's going to try to correct it all with three. .

Of course. The end justifies the means, even if millions more die while installing that democracy.

Because the US disarmed Saddam years before. That's why he had them and then didn't have them. The US stole them from him.

And I suppose that installing democracy and stealing oil and any left over WMD is preferable in your distorted right wing world that is fueled by the military industrial complex right?

And he threw Saddam in jail and killed his two boys. Just so he could get at their WMD and oil. Add that to his resume.

And once they have stolen Iraq's WMD and oil they will move onto the next country. Always the same; UN resolutions, invade, install their own version of democracy, UN resolutions, invade .... repeat as required.

I love him dearly August. He is after all the black sheep of the family. Dad (Kreepy Kretin) would have wanted him to follow in my footsteps but when he met up with that right wing money sucking b**ch (Kreamy Kruella AKA Kruella the K) all our hopes for him being anything other than a Grant Recipient vanished. Instead he decided to actually hold a job and pay taxes. As Kreepy Kretin (now KK the Korpse) used to say "Liberal, how can you publicly fund a sucessful business?" To which I nearly cried because you can't. Krusty Kid was a failure from day one. No studies of Ancient Pre Columbian Philantrophy, no inquiries of why we have no inquiries on the lack of studies for the lack of inquiries on Liberal Small Business Sucesses. No, he was a failure from day one as he carried out his non publicly funded paper route while we patrolled governmental administrative orders to discover the best paying idsabilities for the future. He does have a sense of entitlemnt August. He actually thinks that he gets what he puts into something and in that, is probably closer to you than reality. He is a war monger who wants all Iraqis to die and loves Haliburtin. Vile and sinful (if there was a God I mean) he would torture an endangered species just to get an edge on a good stock tip rather than disect it slowely in order to keep a study grant going. Dad had this theory that people like Kusty Kid purposefully instigated the Holocost (if it is ever proven to be true) in order to provide irritation for people who don't want the Jews to ever be a victim now or in the past. Victims, yes, but our victims we would tell him as we pointed to every group that could stand up for themselves and become self sufficient. Expiedient victims for the here and now.

So I am suposed to hold some sort of stupid belief in the Judeo Christian values that this country was formulated with? Cut me some Slack. I have no solutions but that doesn't mean that I can't be against everything that is going on. Check out the Orotu tribe, they provide examples for all of us; they harvest banannas four times a year and feast foiur times a year. When challenged by outsiders, they cut off their heads. They are open to all beliefs no matter what colour, race or creed (provided they have a head) and havn't changed in thousands of years. (Locations have changed due to sewage issues but other than that, none.)

They could have stayed at home conserving natural resources and educated their children on same. Instead, they confronted the status quo. It was none of their business and interfered with tanks dong their patrols. Everything was ok until they started trouble. If you see something pacifistic about starting trouble I question your judgement. Even Ghandi was aggressive.

Conserve Black Dog. Try taking four ply toilet paper, splitting two of them apart and re-rolling them onto a couple of empty rolls. In the end you use just as much but it helps ease the mind. Peace. And hate Bush. And strongly dislike Kerry but just hate something. And conserve in order to release! Dream of how many people will die if the US ever leaves Iraq suddenly like they should. That would make any death in the Israeli Palestinian conflict pale in comparisson. We can only dream though. I like you hope that civil war errupts in Iraq, but dreams as sweet as those are unlikely to occur as long as the evil Bush Administration seeks oil.

No, the west needs to change. The only way that the east is gong to change is through violence. Othere than Ghandi (passive resistance) there has never been sucess through peaceful means in the middle east. In order to get our people united with their superior way of feeding, living, worshipping, and higher cultural standards we have to destroy our ichons of power and finance. I say that we should all stop beliveing in our governmental systems today, stop obeying our laws, become tottally free and then, when confusion reigns, adopt Islam and all it's teachings. If you are Christian, you can probably find a way to adapt but the main thing is' no violence. And, conserve.

Cry me a river Hugo. These aggressive pacifists demonstrate against a dictatorship that was pacifistic in nature (unless challenged) and you hold them up as heros? Anything is better than violence and these protestors pretty much begged for it. You are barking up the wrong tree here war lover.

My Orotu Tribe does no such thing. They have survived for thousands of years simply by killing every last member of every people that come within a hundred miles of them. We can learn a lot from this primitive tribe. Torture is unheard of. Matter of fact, the closest word in their vocabulary to torture is 'waca wuco wie' (off with his head.) In the US vocabulary 'put on the underwear' is heard all too often. Bastards.

If America wakes up, they will start the slow process into ecological realization that Naderism brings. If we must make war think about this: Recycled tin cans can be compressed into low cost bullets. Recycled newspaper can be used for disposable UN resolutions Solar power withut utilization of collectors can be used to tan while we wait for resolutions to be obeyed It is possible to get this dream and change it into reality within our lifetime. Just think of all the progress that could have been made in Iraq if we had stalled the Democratic process long enough to enact some Kyoto rules. Negotiated with the Insurgents over the environment and all. Does not Sistani care about the earth? Al Sadir? Of course they do! Let's stop trying to kill each other and talk recycle!