Average Joe

So that is for that plant or the whole company? If it is the whole company who is to say that plant is making any money. Either way they will do the same as the folks here in Oshawa and price themselves out of the market. The truck plant moved to Mexico with others to follow I'm sure.

My bad, the way I read it was a lot of wasted money for dead wood personal. I wish I could find it again but my head hurts from all those cars at the Honda Indy buzzing around in my ears.

Ok I read that and can't figure out who you think it was good for. The way I read it, it was a great day for Uncle Sam and the Space program when the Arrow was cancelled. Bad for us.

I would like to see the military we have equipped with the best possible equipment there is out there. Whether you agree with the war or not, parties from both sides of the fence have sent our troops into harms way. It is only fair that you give them all the best chance to do whatever job they are asked to do and be able to make it home when they are done. Living a stones throw away from the Highway of Heroes, I am reminded often that a motorcade represents the loss of life to a young person fighting on behalf of me, reguardless of the politics, right or wrong. I just hope that the equipment they are given is not the difference between life and death. I wish I could find a story I read a while back. It was talking about the Defence budget. I believe it stated our military is very top heavy, the ratio of Generals to troops was very high and over half the budget went to administration in Ottawa. I believe we were the highest by far compared to other Western Nations. Typical Canadian, more paper pushers than people actually working. Maybe this is where we could get some extra money with in the existing budget. Canada has gotten lazy over the years because we live right next to the biggest superpower. I think it has been policy from both sides to cut back on the military knowing that if anything were to happen the US would not just stand there and watch. I also think if they didn't scrap the Arrow all those years ago we would be leaders in the world developing airplanes and who knows what else and the jobs to go with it, both blue and white collar.

Just like they did when the GST replaced the Manufacturers Tax. Things sure did change back then. .

-Interesting way to look at the game of chicken thing. I'm not sure about that but it is something to chew on. - Who takes over the Tories? Good question, everyone seems to be a carbon copy of each other. No one stands out. - I can't run myself, it would be too hard for me to keep all the lies straight. I couldn't run by saying I will not raise taxes and then turn around call it something else while keeping a straight face like my premier in Ont. He only got one vote outta me after that one. -Yes the provinces needed to cut down as well as cities but Johnny didn't cut anything he just kept money for the feds. I would have had more respect for him if they cut back as well but he had to play the shell game and he did a great job of it. He had everyone screaming at Harris in Ont for all their problems. He did a great snow job, I guess that and some of those government extra's for his little piece of Quebec kept him in office all those years. Good for him, he played the game well. - Not all politican's suck, the problem is the good ones are outnumbered by the self serving ones. Again I am far from the best person for the job but If I could get elected twice I'd be set for life. Maybe I should think about it and join the crowd at the trough. May be I'm waiting for our own rock & roll pop culture Obama like guy or gal to appear on Opra and claim our nation in a couple of years and take us to the promused land just like it has happened down there . -Harper, Iggy or Dion would have driven us into deep deficits in this recession. Jack would have killed us. People are screaming for them to do something. Doing something is spending money you don't have. Everyone should have asked the Honourable Bob Rae (which party is he with this week?) how it worked for him in the 90's? - The whole name calling thing was an accident, honest! The F and L are so close on the keyboard I must have hit the wrong one. Was that good enough to be a politican or should I keep my day job?

Max, I guess you missed my point. I'm talking about people taking avantage of the situation, not culling the herd. I still see it all the time. The place I was talking about had two or three guys with time in, out of about fifteen. They knew they were "safe" from layoff's, did hardly anything all day and waved it in front of everyone's face. They were laid off and the union got their jobs back and had to let some juniors go instead. You should have seen how big their heads got. They watched them like hawks until they screwed up and pocketed some stuff, two of the three were canned, union argued mildly because it was "just a couple of bucks". Guess what the third guy smartened up real quick watching his buddies walking out the door. They were so full of themselves up until then it was sickening. Protecting a guy that has been around a while, IF he does his job, I have no problem with that. It's when they use the union as a "bodyguard" to protect their A**es while taking advantage of a workplace is just wrong.

Come on you don't actually think they would be that sneeky do you? :lol: Giving me back my own money for summer vacation sounds good to me. Hopefully we will all have jobs to take a summer vacations from.

- Ya that's what I'm saying. He was threatened to spend or else look for another job. But I think they were all scared to try it, seeing we just had an election. An amazing game of chicken between Harper and Iggy. Harper blinked. -I really don't think Harper will benefit if things turn around. He's had his chance, hasn't done a good job and needs to take his golden pension and walk into the sunset. Let someone else give her a try. -I blame Liberals and Tories for screwing up this country for as long as I can remember. Each blaming the other for the sorry state we are in, neither taking a bold step to fix anything that is wrong. Both always just tinker with problems, they make some minor changes to placate us and it is business as usual. The welfare of this country is never at the top of their agenda's, staying in power at all costs or getting there is. Why else would one party just appoint a leader without a convention and the other call an election because the pollsters say now's a good time and your best chance.They are the main parties and they know it. Jack was an idiot in Toronto and now he has a national soap box to make a bigger fool of himself. Green party? Please! BQ should be shot for treason, until they run people in the majority of ridings across this country and not look out for just one province. -So by just lowering transfer payments and keeping the money to balance his own books you think John Boy did a great job? No matter how you shake the stick my life was not improved by his actions because all he did was shift the anger of higher taxes from government to government. In the end my taxes for the house went up and so did my provincial taxes but John Boy got to stand up and say look at "our" books they are balanced and I'm suppose to be happy about that? It's just a big shell game and in your eyes they were to be praised. How about fixing the problem and not unloading it onto someone else but that is the way we are these days. If you have a problem start looking around for someone else to blame because the poor thing's are not responsible for what ill's them. -It would take a tough person to put the welfare of the country ahead of their own goals to fix things. Too many people sucking the teet of the nanny state would be upset and damn it they watch those poll's and try to make people happy. Good luck finding one in today's Politically Correct world. -As many have already stated Harper has not done a good job but you seem to think the Fiberials can do no wrong and that blind fanaticism is scary. I've voted for both in the past and I can't be that fanatic about one party. What kind of alcohol is in that kool-aid anyway?

And if he didn't we would be back to the polls AGAIN wasting more money. Of course, that was the plan all along. If things turn around they can take credit that it was LCP's input to force the spending to make everything better and if it didn't they just say 'don't look at me it's his fault', they are running the joint. Liberals are sitting in the catbird seat politically, either way they win. I don't blame them at all, someone is spinning this and it is working pretty good for them. :lol: On the backs of the provinces, reducing transfer payments. That's OK that Mike guy in Ont will take the heat for us. I wish I could just reduce the amount I owe on a whim. Sure would make my books look a lot better just telling anyone I owe to take what I give you and be happy about it. Selective memory again. Pierre loved to borrow, that's what got us in this mess long ago. You are banging your head against a wall, their need to sugar coat everything is unreal. Harper is far from great but all these people seem to think the LPC can do no wrong at anytime in history. That is what drives me nuts. If your guy isn't that great don't fall all over yourself twisting things to make them seem great. No one is perfect but you wouldn't know it around here.

Do you actually believe they are going to get rid of the deadwood, hell no they will just move them around to other departments. The public sector unions would scream bloody murder if they laid anyone off during these times, that only happens in the private sector . Do you really believe the retailers are going to help you out and lower the prices because of this, ya right, the stock holders will be happy I'm sure. Every little bit helps their bottom line. I hope you are right about government and retailers remitting the savings back to us but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's just another tax grab just like the health "Premium" that was to improve our health care.

Very nice summation Wild Bill. I too believe someone should take the reins who is different than the Fiberals. Give people a clear choice between parties and see where the cards fall, trying to be something for everyone doesn't seem to work. Call Harris what you want but he did what he said he was going to do and I respect that more than anything even if I didn't agree with all of it. We need more politicians to do just that, this crap of telling me that it is raining as you are pissing on my leg is getting old. Tell me what you stand for and let the chips fall where they may but human nature will not let them, they need to lie and cheat the achieve their own personal goals of power. All parties seem to change with the wind on policies to make sure they are still popular.

All I'm saying is if people took others into consideration once and a while the world would be a better place. This me first and the hell with the rest of you society of ours will not allow it to happen though.

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Why not? I have no problem with black organizations. I googled it and came up with this page. http://www.littleafrica.com/resources/organizations.htm The only white organizations I could find had something to do with being a supremacist or an aryan. No society of White Engineers, White Filmmakers Hall of Fame, White Womens Network or even Harvard White Law Students Associations. So should I go and Cry to the HRC that my rights are being trampled on because African Americans/Canadians have their own clubs or Associations and I feel discriminated against. NO but if the shoe was on the other foot watch out Al Sharpton would be all over you. Double standard what's new. What about Curves, the exercise place? It's women only, that's not right you can't do that, maybe I should call HRC and see if I can't fix that. What the hell it wont cost me anything the HRC will pay for everything and if it doesn't work out for me, oh well. They go out off business because of legal fees and I walk away being a S***disturber. Great System.....