Sir Bandelot

It's a lot of work to get it right when you could just use a person. Besides, you wouldn't want to have your name associated with toilet technology, would you? Think of poor Thomas Crapper. Then people might say, "I got to go take a Bonam..."

Some might. The real problem occurs when they are allowed to get away with it. bonam, you sound like you are smart and will have a successful future. In that light, it's little wonder you don't agree with and can't relate to those who don't have your gifts and opportunities. I hope you will appreciate that not everyone can be geniuses and get paid 6 figures. Someone still needs to sweep the floor and clean the bathroom. If no one's willing to do that, you're soon up to your knees in shit. Don't forget the value of the little people.

I'm not convinced it will help to boost the economy. Modern military technology is so much more expensive. Isn't it ironic that the great powers, US and Britain are moving in the opposite direction, considering selling off navy equipment and recalling troops, contracting their military reach due to economic reasons while we start building up our military?

Can't argue with hillbilly logic. But what to do about it... I think our military action only makes them hate us and as such not at all interested in reforming towards our sense of values. Maye if we utterly annihilated and crushed their society, like was done with Japan, so that they have to rebuild from utter ruin. But it took two atomic bombs to bring them to that point. Hardly worth a dogs life

Bonam, I don't necessarily say they are right. It's about perception. You are correct that compared to previous generations and other places in the world, like 3rd world countries even our poor live fairly well. But most people follow the example set by their parents and by our leaders. We may rebel against authority and the notion that we must eventually be indoctrinated into the system, but in the end we become like those we have learned from. Most do. Some are strong minded enough to rise above their own misfortune and make something better out of their life. When authority figures themselves commit the crimes, it gets difficult to be motivated to be a good citizen. Especially when times are tough and we are asked to tighten our belts, make personal sacrifices for the greater good. People know that the rich continue making more money now than ever before, despite the economic hard times. People know about the bailouts. In this thread I also said that I don't believe that things are worse now than before, in terms of crime but that people have become more aware of it. ->An average person spends about 40 hours per week in the workplace, that's less than 1/4 of the 168 hours of time that comprises every week. In terms of how much time a person has to spend with their family or friends, vs. how much time they spend committed to working, sleep time doesn't count. Neither does time spent getting ready to go to work or coming home. Once people get home they must deal with the needs of their household. The actual amount of quality time that parents can spend raising their kids and paying attention to them is pretty small. At least, that is the common culture in big cities. ->No, what succeeds is ingenuity and hard work. If you're in a workplace where success is based not on these things but on "meanness", you're working a stupid job is all. I wish it were true. Your youthful idealism is shining through here. Ever worked in a union shop, where people are demoralized? Where there is resentment if anyone does something, because then it might be expected of others to do the same? Ever worked for PhD's or doctors, and you don't have a comparable degree, but you're smarter than most of them? Jealousy. Resentment. It's not uncommon for managers to feel threatened by an employee who is smarter than them. You can'tkeep showing people how to do things better, and not encounter hostility. ->Successful people have much more interesting things to spend their time on than trying to keep some strangers from achieving success. Wrong! In a competitive world, if my effort to achieve success threatens your already established success, you will feel compelled to do something about it. I'm not talking about healthy competition, I'm talking about the need to CONTROL. And frequently those who are in power are the ones who feel a strong need to be maintain control. -> Or you could get your ass of the street and actually achieve something meaningful. No disagreement, but when people are rioting out of a sense of futility, it's irrational. They don't have determination for something better. They've given up on hope. What they do is violent and pointless, but feels good. Suggest you don't go there and try to make these arguments with them.

The new mantra is that we are fighting there to liberate dogs now. It's the war on animal cruelty. We got to kill those muslim bastards for it!

What do we need all that for??

Yes such cruelty is unacceptable. But interestingly, some of the bleeding hearts for dead dogs in this thread don't seem to give a care about the dead people. Regardless of such "co-lateral damage", they feel that the end (whatever that is) justifies the means.

Cha-ching!

Did I say it does

That criticism is mainly directed at authority, not youth. Today we are just beginning to understand the meaning of the rights of the individual, vs. the rights of the collective. The rights of the individual are precious because the person is temporal, while the collective lasts "forever". The corporation never dies, therefore all things that it amasses over time it can keep forever and its power constantly increases. While we human beings only have a short time and will soon cease to be. So the rights of the individual must be regarded as supreme. Simply put, the corporation can wait. But we are not at the point yet where we regard people as precious. I'm talking about how young people instinctively know what's coming for them. They might look to their docile burned out parents who've spent the majority of their life working in a job that has no direct meaning for them, other than to make some money that they get to spend supporting themselves to come back another day, and an occasional brief "vacation". Youth are smarter now than they've ever been. By that I mean, they know about the news. They have a bleak outlook on the system which is obviously corrupt and unfair. There was a report just yesterday, 'assholes on the job get more pay'... what is that saying about our workplace, where we spend most of our days? It's not about recognizing the value of individual human beings, but a place where meanness, deception and pettiness rule the day. That is the personality that succeeds. ->Whoa, SB. Are you talking about "youth" or your present work situation? From a youthful perspective: "You've had a fun life so far little Johnny, now it's time to get in your CAGE! By the time you get out you'll be old, burned out, docile, like your mom and dad. Your life will be a complete waste of time. Oh and by the way the greedy elite class, whose life is virtually one long vacation will be telling you what to do. They're getting rich and you'll never have a chance to be like them because they've got the money, they got the power and they'll see to it that you never get a chance." The answer to that has to be, a rock smashed through a window. Smash it, grab it, and burn it!

If you eat it and tell us it was good, then, ok.

The law does not clearly define the boundaries of acceptable vs. unacceptable. But having said that I don't believe this to be the only reason for problems we have with youth today. It's just one example, IMO. Sure, lots of parents probably still spank their kids. But now primarily out of view of the public eye. Really the point is more the perception kids have about authority. Authority is seen as self-serving and hypocritical. As such it holds no real sway over the "me" generation. Second, the future is a life-long yoke with no final reward. Youth enjoy almost unbound freedom for about 20 years, then face the prospect of spending the rest of their life working in a meaningless job, in subservience to a boss who's not only mentally inferior, but a bully, and a selfish asshole.

I won't step in and say, this is a left vs. right problem, but stupid choices have been made, and many of them involve empowering the state over individuals. Example, apparently I am not allowed to spank my children. We must use only positive reinforcement, encouragement, never "corporal" punishment. Such "liberal" methods might be easy for someone to understand who already knows right vs. wrong, but children's brains are not matured enough, and they often try things, push things to explore the consequences. When they find out that they will receive little or no punishment beyond a scolding or raised tone in Mom's voice, the effect is only temporary. TO make matters worse, they teach this to the kids in school, that if your mom or dad spanks you, you can call the police. I remember when my kids came home one day and told us that, although they've rarely received a spanking in their lifetime. n this case they were challenging us to do something we didn't want them to di, and wanted to see our reaction. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/jun/08061909 I understand that some people take this form of punishment too far, but in doing so the state has taken away my parental authority. And when they grow up to a more rebellious age, this is what we see happening here...

While I agree that dangerous rioters must be controlled somehow, and shutting down their communications is one effective way to do that, I think the BART incident shows us that organized criminal intent is taking place at all levels. Yes, even our so-called authorities. Now the larger question is, with people today so aware of what's going on (thanks in part to the very same new communications technologies, internet, messaging) how is it possible to maintain civility, if people know they are being systematically screwed? I for one do not believe that the levels of corruption and manipulation are anything new at all, only the knowledge of it among the general public is. So in context of this thread, internet and social media have raised our awareness of what's going on, anywhere in the world almost instantaneously, and thus it poses a substantial threat to those in power.

Indeed, I did not know there were Norwegian Vikings.

Plus, to me the idea is repugnant to feed them stuff that we ourselves would never want to eat. Good enough for the "unter-mensch"

So what? Let them go where they want. Likely that those who want to "make it big" think it's easier to do that in the US, while those who stay are generally content with what they already have.

You three Americans all agreed to this, yet no Canadians have echoed your sentiment. Isn't that interesting. My opinion on it is, I don't really care if people do come here for that reason. Good, come here and get healthy. If the place where you come from won't help you, Canada will. Because, as the saying goes "yes we can..."

I think she should continue using the logo and wait for them to pursue legal action against her. That would probably be the best thing that could happen for her at this point.

Your Winnipeg link didn't work for me. But I found it here- http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/tories-tussle-with-asbestos-widow-over-use-of-party-logo-in-ad-campaign.html

Nope. It's usually not even necessary for me to do that. As demonstrated now

The corporation has the rights of a person, but not the obligations of a person.

Yep, a head of state normally requires all these things. Anyway your point on 'Google' remains unanswered. As you can see, the normal way that is dealt with around here is too attack the poster.

I don't believe you can prove it. You made it a point to pick on someones problems with English. I suggest there are plenty of grammatical errors taking place throughout this forum. The content matters far more. A typo on my part does not make up for bigotry on your part...