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Sorry, Tango
You should see that there is value to addressing the types of arguments Listor makes head-on, rather than banning those types of discussion.
Discussing the issue has revealed that those who would malign black people are wallowing around in the miniscule elements of the data, when the major finding is that whites are the perpetrators of the vast majority of the violence.
I have no problem with discussing the topic. I have a problem with the bias in the thread topic that presumes an answer before the discussion: That is hate propaganda, imo.
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http://stopdumpsite41.ca/?p=264
Anne Ritchie-Nahuis held in jail, bail hearing set for Friday
ELMVALE – Anne Ritchie-Nahuis, the dairy farmer who has been one of the most articulate critics of Dump Site 41, will spend the night in jail.
A bail hearing is set for 9 a.m. Friday at the Barrie courthouse.
“I spoke with Anne and she seemed determined and sad that it’s come to this in this country,” her lawyer Murray Klippenstein said. “She feels she’s doing the right thing.”
Officers with South Georgian Bay OPP pulled Ritchie-Nahuis off the road just north of Perkinsfield Thursday morning on her way back from a protest in Midland.
She was one of about 200 Site 41 opponents who had turned out to support retired farmers Keith and Ina Wood, and retired teacher Barb Hunt, all of whom turned themselves into police to be charged with mischief.
Ritchie-Nahuis – a member of the Site 41 Community Monitoring Committee that was established by an Environmental Review Board to provide accountability to the community – was put in the back of a police vehicle and taken to Midland where she was charged with mischief.
Her father Bob Ritchie was also charged.
Vicki Monague, one of the five Beausoleil Island First Nation women who started up a protest camp opposite Site 41 in May, is to turn herself on Friday.
The Woods, aged 82 and 75, and Hunt, aged 69, signed undertakings to remain away from the protest site and were released. Ritchie-Nahuis refused.
“She feels that the restrictions they are asking her to sign are unreasonable and too onerous for a situation like this,” Klippenstein said.
Bob Ritchie also refused to sign an undertaking. He was released nevertheless because of his medical condition.
A police spokesperson said the charges all relate to a court injunction obtained by Simcoe County and the individuals’ involvement with the protest at Dump Site 41 – where construction has been halted since July 6.
Rethink decision to locate dump on site of aquifer: David Crombie, Maude Barlow
It's absolutely appalling that the province is allowing the county to build this huge dump on top of the Alliston aquifier. I do not believe it will ever be used: It's just too destructive.
Kudos to the people who bravely stand up to the trucks and the charges against them.
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I know...see them onm the highway...LOL! But many don't want to pay....that's...UN-CANADIAN!
Then lock her up as a CHA political prisoner.
nah, we just smear her back
And let the law take its course.
The lawsuit will be interesting. It will have to address whether the delays in her treatment were excessive.
btw, did you hear about the woman who sued her doctor because she experienced pain in childbirth? (she lost) Some people's expectations are just unrealistic.
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Now you're being childish.....I will always have better options than you if you insist on waiting in the pain queue while singing "Oh Canada".
We have the same options as you have, like the mayo clinic, if we want to pay your price. Every year many Canadians do.
What we resent is Shona Holmes exaggerating her condition to smear our system, for partisan foreign political purposes.
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From what I've read and seen today, most of the violence was the result of aggressive union thugs.
Of course, the shoving was preceded by "free speech" by the 'astroturf disrupters', who always forget that my freedom of speech can shout you down.
Not condoning the shoving, but what was the dork doing getting in their faces?
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Thank you. I agree and reported the OP, to no avail.
welcome.
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absolutely irrelevant, benny
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-welsh/am...a_b_241703.html
The Shona Holmes Health Care Hitjob
Case in point: Shona Holmes is the current poster girl for the liars slandering Canadian health care in an attempt to discredit reform. Ms. Holmes alleges she was horribly endangered by Canada's healthcare system:
Both CNN and McConnell made a big deal out of Shona Holmes, an Ontario woman who claims she was forced by Ontario's health system to go to the United States for life-saving surgery for a brain tumour. She claims that in 2005 delays in access to treatment at home made it necessary to go to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona and pay $97,000 for her care.
Her story sounds bad, doesn't it? Except, of course, it's a lie:
On the Mayo Clinic's website, Shona Holmes is a success story. But it's somewhat different story than all the headlines might have implied. Holmes' "brain tumour" was actually a Rathke's Cleft Cyst on her pituitary gland. To quote an American source, the John Wayne Cancer Center, "Rathke's Cleft Cysts are not true tumors or neoplasms; instead they are benign cysts."
There's no doubt Holmes had a problem that needed treatment, and she was given appointments with the appropriate specialists in Ontario. She chose not to wait the few months to see them. But it's a far cry from the life-or-death picture portrayed by Holmes on the TV ads or by McConnell in his attacks.
In other words, her condition was not immediately life threatening, and it was prioritized accordingly. But Holmes didn't want to wait behind people who needed care more than she did, so she went the U.S. where she could pay out of pocket to jump to the head of the line.
Health Care Triage: U.S. Vs. Canada
Here's the deal: both the U.S. and Canada prioritize patients, and both engage in health care rationing. In Canada health care is prioritized by how urgently a patient requires treatment. In America, to a much greater extent, access to medical care is prioritized by how much money the patient has. Someone in the U.S. who was sicker than Ms. Holmes was forced to wait longer for treatment because Holmes was rich enough to pay $97,000.
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If I had lived in the U.S., my parents would have faced a choice between paying for my incredibly expensive treatment or watching me die. They were both old and it would have wiped out their savings entirely and thrown them into bankruptcy. Frankly, I don't know how they could have supported themselves. My life, at that cost, would have had too high a price. I wonder how many Americans have had to make that calculation.
But I survived, and neither I, nor my parents, was bankrupted. In similar circumstances I doubt all of those things would be true for an American 25-year-old trying to survive the same medical condition in America's health care industry.
Health Care Rationing, American-style
I have had two American friends die in the last 5 years who would have survived if they had had fully covered health care. (Note I didn't say health insurance, that's not what people need. They need health care.)
One of them died of the flu. He didn't seek treatment because of the cost of his insurance co-payment, and he was found dead.
Another had a heart condition, but didn't know it, because she didn't have health care, because she couldn't afford it. If she'd had health care, she would probably still be alive.
Both of those people are dead because of people like Holmes, and the people behind her. My two friends are dead because insurance company executives want to keep their obscene salaries, and force Americans to pay more for health care than they should.
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Right...but when did she know this? When did she see a specialist to get the diagnosis? Do Canadian GPs have X-ray vision like Ray Milland?
It was diagnosed in 1998.
This is such a bunch of crap. American dr tells her "she'll die", and soaks her for $100,000.
http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/16626/
Holme’s is also misleading people about her so called life threatening ordeal. She was diagnosed with a Rathkes cleft in 1998, not a life threatening brain tumor. According to the John Wayne Cancer Center, “Rathkes cleft cysts are not true tumors or neoplasms; instead they are benign cysts. Dr. Roland del Maestro, Director of the Montreal Neurological Institute’s Brain Research Department believes that Holmes exaggerated her condition. He told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) that Holme’s lesion was benign, slow growing and did not require urgent attention.
Michael Schwartz, a neurosurgeon at Toronto’s Sunnybrook Hospital has never seen or heard of a death from Rathkes cleft, he told the CBC. He added that vision improves if a cyst is drained or removed.
Holmes admits that she had a Rathkes cleft, but said that it was the same as having a brain tumor and that American doctors told her that she would quickly die if it was not removed. In contrast, her Canadian doctors told her that her condition was not serious and monitored her condition.
In 2005, she suffered a 50% vision loss which was temporary and reversible, according to Schwartz. She was placed on a waiting list of 6 to 4 months to see an endocrinologist and neurologist, respectively, in Ontario. Holmes decided not to see the specialists, determined her own treatment and flew to the Mayo Clinic in the US for surgery, paying $97,000.
While she had a medical problem, it was a far cry from a life-death situation.
If Us'ians want to believe this idiot, go right ahead. But it's crap.
She could have had the surgery here too, free.
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You can wait till the cancer has spread to the brain --as you wait 8 months for an MRI - or you can shuffle off to Buffalo..Our gangsters pretend they are good guys - at least your gangsters are honest.
The lady did not have a malignant spreading cancer. She did not have cancer at all. It was a benign cyst putting pressure on other things, but not cancer.
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Not that simple. If it's illegal, then it should not take place. Parade or no parade.
Obviously it's not considered a problem, gay pride or mardi gras.
I have watched the pride parade, and seen plenty of skimpy costumes, but not actual nudity. I think you have to be really looking for it. I don't see why some people, who have probably not been there and don't want to go should even care, nor why anybody else should care about their opinions.
It's a non-issue, imo.
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QUOTE (Argus @ Aug 5 2009, 09:51 AM) *
They weren't a bright lot, and their language skills were sub-par.
It is a common fallacy to associate less intelligence with those who speak your language poorly than with those who speak it well.It's also a fallacy to assume that all other Somalians have the same characteristics as the ones you happened to meet, Argus.
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Those who don't want to see nudity in a parade don't go to Mardi Gras.
Those who don't want to see nudity in a parade don't go to Gay Pride.
Simple.
A man who will "drug and sodomize your son" is a criminal, a pedophile.
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Dub how can you possibly believe that??? I didn't see Israeli's run 3 aircraft into targets and hijack a forth on 9/11..i don't see Israeli's
trying to force their religion down others throats unlike the Muslims........Israel tries to exist but Muslim extremist
keep attacking it and then hide behind women and children because they are to cowardly to face Israeli troops head-
on............Islamic extremist are the true enemy always have been!! kill those filthy rats and there will be peace in the world!!!
extremism is bad ... wherever.
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That's from the 2006 stats; the paper linked from the opening post refers to the 2005 stats. There are huge differences between them; in fact, the differences are so great, that I don't believe both are correct; or, the method of data collection changed. Already the basis is stinking: white victims in 2005: 112,490, black victims: 36620. In 2006: white victims 194,270; black victims: 17,920. Perhaps tomorrow I take the time to look at the other years.
Well, I do think. There are 6.25 times more white men than black. Even if the 2006 stats are correct and the 2005 not, the black "participation" is still more than two times higher than the white. Based on the 2005 stats, this is 4.7 times.
One has to be racially blind not to see here the point.
repeat because you didn't address it:
white women are overrepresented in the pool of potential victims.
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This number must be your own creature; it is certainly not from the stats mentioned in that article.
Btw, as there are about 6.25 times more white men in the US than black men, already the 3:1 ratio would mean that black men are strongly overrepresented as perpetrators.
From lictor's data in the other thread.
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=448520
98,000+ white women were raped/sexually assaulted by white men.
white women are over represented in the pool of potential victims.
I just don't think there's a point to be made here.
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Well of course, looking at the record (historical and otherwise) we have every right to suspect that some racial element (or genetic predisposition) is at cause.
Blacks are generally lack in self-discipline, many studies corroborate this but I recall one that took place in an integrated schoolyard, where they summoned children and presented them with the following offer: one lollipop now, or 3 lollipops tommorow.
The white children opted for the 3 lollipop deal at something like 80% of the time,
Asians: 95%
Blacks: 18 or 16% ( i should try to dig up that research again)...
basically blacks have a difficult time with delaying satisfaction, they have a smash and grab attitude (which explains why they are so prone to corner store holdups and similar petty crimes)
I presume its the same with rape... they are a unruly raucous people... every majority black country is a nightmare of rape and crime... Haiti? doesn't prosecute rape anymore (because its simply too commonplace..
South Africa? Rape and Murder Capital of the World
Somalia? FGM capital of the world...
and lets not even start with north american blacks, their general squalid behavior and complete contempt of women (ever see a hip hop vid?) is ample evidence of the diseased savagery they harbor in their subconscious minds.
I also suspect that the obviously high desirability of white women is also at play... whether blacks admit it or not... they recognize that white women are more attractive to their own (i don't blame them for that...)
Scarlett Johansson or Queen Latifah... hmmmm decisions decisions...
You truly are a racist pig lictor.
Go back to stormfront where they like that stuff. It isn't fit for decent company.
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Eye catching topic, eh?
So let's see, if, according to the US Justice Department, 37,000 White women are reported raped every year by Black men, and yet only less than 10 Black women are reported raped by White men, can we ascribe some racial element to these attacks? Can we suggest that in some measure, these attacks can be hate crimes? If Black men deliberate seek out White women to rape because they want to rape a White woman, should that not be considered as much of a hate crime as three drunken white idiots beating on a black guy in BC?
There is no such evidence, and your thread and post are disgusting.
A white woman is 3 times more likely to be raped by a white man than by a black man.
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we're talking about interracial rape.
U.S. Justice Department 2006 rape statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf
Scroll to Table 42. --> 32,443 Whites raped by Blacks, less then 10 Blacks raped by Whites.
98,301 Whites reported being raped by Whites
So a white woman is 3 times more likely to be raped by a white man than by a black man.
I'm losing track of your point, as it appears to me that yours and kimmy's stats both show that the major conclusion is a preponderance of white on white crime.
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yet here you are taking your time to comment and spout ad hominems... (talk about nonsense)BTW, you were talking about the same David Duke who wrote on his Web site as to why he opposes Obbbama?
I'm curious why you didn't answer this question, lictor.
Who's right about this?
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Reenlisting Gates and Crowley
By Abraham Cooper
associate dean, Simon Wiesenthal Center
We at the Simon Wiesenthal Center have a unique take on the Sgt. Crowley-Professor Gates episode. We may be the only folks in America who knew them both before that fateful 911 call that cast them both in a national debate about racism and racial profiling that eventually led to the White House.
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Events in Cambridge involving Gates and Crowley have shown us how far we still have to go on these issues. We believe these matters are too important to leave to politicians and too explosives to place in the hands of demagogues.
So we are inviting Prof. Gates and Sgt Crowley back to the Museum of Tolerance to help us create the next real "teaching moment" for our nation. Stay tuned.
Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Museum of Tolerance.
This looks interesting!
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No. It was the media that came up that fabrication. Not Crowley.
link?
The only stirring action was learning that Sergeant Crowley appeared at the White House with his attorney and his union representative.
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Many didn't talk about how the 911 recording (which didn't mention race) turned Crowley's race-riddled police report into fiction.
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Cop somehow projects he is attending "two black men with backpacks breaking into a house", though the caller did not say that at all.
I don't care how Crowley tries to excuse himself. He exposed himself in that fabrication.
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Yes it can be because the money goes directly into the General Revenues of the Government
I don't care what we call it, but going into gen revs really p's me off!
It's meant to support people on EI, not raise money for the government.
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from kimmy's stats above, of every 100 crimes against people
white on white.........69
black on black.........11
black on white.........15
other race on white... 3
white on black...........2
Seems to me that crime is often by poorer people against richer people, so SES would likely account for any differences in rates of b-w vs w-b crime. Ie, It may not be racial; at all. The main finding in that data is that the vast majority of crime is white-on-white.
Has anyone a link for any case where a white person alleged a hate crime by a black person?
It's possible, as speculated by some here, but I've never seen it reported.
The Courtenay case will be interesting, and may not ultimately be judged to be a racial hate crime, since the same goons later that night threatened a white kid too. Not sure how that will be seen.
Why do Black men rape White women?
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Exactly, and that's what we've learned.
It's a matter of demographic probabilities.