charter.rights

That's what happens to 190 years of compounded interest. The compounded interests over the years have been calculated quarterly and bi-annually as set out by and Order in Council. INAC has all the tables going back those 190 years. It isn't land value as it would be today...unless of course the government was willing to buy it back and give it to First Nations. No it is investment money guaranteed by the Crown on all monies held in their trust.

We'll see. I know a couple of lawyers involved up there and they are suggesting that they have the lawsuit ready to go.

The government tried to throw that same kind of money at Six Nations and 6N told them to blow. The government couldn't come up with the justification for a $25million offer on 290 acres when 6N told them their accountants came up to a value of between $500 million and $1billion with interest. They still have a case in that the government is responsible for costs for loss of use and benefit OR for the full compounded interests had the money been properly place in their trust account. They even offer the government a compromise of $250 million if the claim was settled quickly but the government has been dragging its feet on any Six Naitons claims. Go figure. It is what the government does best....nothing...

Well, no. You have to read the Supreme Court rulings and the aboriginal jurisprudence that flows from them along with the Indian Act. The Chief of a Band is not an Indian in terms of his position. He is a representative of the Band Council who are representative under the Act of the Band (members)in a limited way. He is really only a Chairman of the Council and only the Council as a whole may act on behalf of the Band. In Derrickson v. Derrickson the Supreme Court struck down the ability of provincial courts to execute orders on a reserve. While this was related to matrimonial law, it has been applied as a ban on provincial court jurisdiction on reserve. While S.89(1) does say what you think it says, the problem is about who can actually make a seizure. The Courts have held that no one other than an Indian may make that seizure and third parties are prohibited from participating in making that seizure on behalf of an Indian. So using police and Canadian government officials to make a seizure is illegal. Indians are protected against that. I have a friend who is an Indian who is fighting his wife's attempts to get hold of his business records and while the Court requested copies of the books, he has been informed he is not required to produce them. He has also obtained an interim injunction against his wife, the Family Responsibility Office and the Provincial Court from executing their orders pending the outcome of the Constitutional question. In any case my first point stands. It is illegal for the police to make a seizure or execute a search warrant without the full Council's approval and in this case as far as my friends in Kahnawake have told me, there was no BCR authorizing the police actions.

The Long Woods Purchase occurred about the same time as the Welland Canal lands were flooded so we have a fairly accurate value of land in 1829 at $5.50 per acre. The land would have been worth roughly $1,595,000 in 1829. With compound interests paid on the trust as per the order in Council from 1829 onward the value of the trust on those lands would come in at $500 billion.

Just the same the Chief over-stepped his authority. Under the Indian Act the Council is required to approve the search and seizure warrants before any outside police or government agency steps foot on the Territory. That violates the accused Charter Rights just as a falsely obtain search warrant, or seizure without warrant would.

Indian Act. Section 85.1 (1) (By-laws relating to Intoxicants) Subject to subsection (2), the council of a band may make by-laws (a) prohibiting the sale, barter, supply or manufacture of intoxicants on thereserve of the band; ( prohibiting any person from being intoxicated on the reserve; © prohibiting any person from having intoxicants in his possession on thereserve; and (d) providing for exceptions to any of the prohibitions established pursuant to paragraph ( or ©. Marijuana is a traditional product that was grown and used by the Haudenosaunee. Under the Charter that remains an aboriginal right.

Just delete the thread. This really isn't a book review club is it?

And Osgoode Hall. Six nations trust money was specifically used to build Osgoode Hall and it has never been paid back.

Actually the best one can do is also to start growing your own food.... Square Foot Gardening I have been using this method for two years now and I am able to get 3 crops out of some vegetables. It allows succession planting with little effort and once it is set up requires attention only for picking and the occasional watering (one cup per plant). On top of giving lots away, I froze, canned and dried so much food we still have items ready to eat from last year and have started putting things down this year. As well we have been buying locally from our eggs to our beef and chicken and while the prices may not be better, we know that 1. the money goes directly to the local farmer / butcher and the product is much better than supermarket. We still go to the supermarket but hardly ever buy vegetables. BTW. because the soil is so soft and light I was able to start planting in March and harvested our first vegetables in early April.

You're just well done and past your prime. And wrong.

Sheila Fraser in her final Auditor Generals report wrote that the government does not provide funding in the areas that are needed to lift First Nations out of poverty. Clean water, mould-free housing and education are just some of the sectors that the government has ignored or minimized in funding strategies. Yes it is true. The Auditor General said so....and she was looking at the government's books and procedures on an on-going basis. I would trust her word over yours.

First Nations don't receive the money to spend where it is needed. It is spent on programs directed by Aboriginal Affairs and requires the work to be completed before any cheques are cut. The funding transfers that are deliver to FN are terribly under funded in every sector and so First Nations often have a difficult time just managing basic needs. Those funds are their own monies.

The $6 billion of the total $14 billion AANA budget is actually Indian monies in the first place. The government manages a $2trillion First Nations trust that is earning compounded interest at a rate of $35 billion annually. That means that the remaining $29 billion they earn in interest is added to the trust which by 2020 will have added another $1 trillion to the account. BTW the First Nations trust account does not include monies that will be paid by way of land claims or other settlement for loss of use. It is that actual amount owing today. If we were to add lands claims it is quite possible our total debt to First Nations could exceed $75 trillion.

It is because their egos and their money are linked.

We import over $80 billion a year form China and export about $15 billion. I would say that is a pretty good relationship.

Touchy today, aren't we. Did you puff out your chest in typical America style when you wrote that?

What the US needs is another Boston Tea Party. Quit paying taxes and let the keepers of the government programs pay for their mistakes. Dump foreign products into the sea and take a clue from Indian take a "home spun" approach to goods and services. The government has one agenda to survive and maintain its power and bureaucracy. Dump it all and take a notch or 20 out of big corporations whom have destroyed America with their policies of profit at all cost. Only then will you be reborn as a free and powerful nation.

Not without your allies help. The 1990's was a housing bubble and the entire economy did not depend on mortgages. While it did slow things down in the construction marker, it was nothing more than a seasonal correction of the markets. We had our resources then and we still have them now.

You raise a valid point. However, this depression is not like the other depression era. The difference: The world was at war and the US became the manufacturing machine for world arms. They supplied the allies and when they finally got involved on the Pacific front, not only did they have manufacturing industry as a hedge against mass unemployment and starvation but the Army became the family's best income. Of course today the US doesn't have the manufacturers to fall back on. Nor do you have any substantial war machine that you can supply arms to. You are stuck with service level jobs and when the layoffs begin and mass unemployment gets worse than it already is, what do you think the masses will do? Just take another look at Greece. They may be smaller but you are pretty much in the same boat. But not only that, China surpasses US manufacturing and holds billions in US currency. If they flood the market and further devalue the US dollar, you can bet that you will be in a depression - one the world has never seen the likes of. And no doubt you will take us with you, but we have some things you don't have that the world still wants: resources and a friendly relationship with China. You are right. We are in a medicare crisis. We are also in an education crisis, a justice crisis and a native poverty crisis. We acknowledge these things and are doing something about it. The US on the other hand (at least if you and BC are typical Americans) is still in denial. You believe you are coated in Teflon. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mack should be reminders you are not immune from the failings of the stock market nor the world economy. And if a simple thing like mortgages and ponzi schemes can put you where you are today, you should be afraid. Be very very afraid.

BC just demonstrated that is a real possibility since in order to meet your debt interest payment something will have to give. There is only $39 billion left to pay $85 billion in liabilities. It isn't MY doom and gloom scenario. It is your president's warning.

BY protecting their currency. Yes but at what expense. Do you expect lower income Americans and government workers missing paychecks to sit back and let the government get away with it? The unemployed, the low income and government workers in Greece went out and protested and it wasn't pretty. I would expect that Americans will do the same kinds of things...unless of course you are suggesting that Americans are pussies and will take it laying down? Your government doesn't have enough money. If they raise the debt ceiling, end up with a lower credit rating is may be the sign of doom. Debt payment interest will increase as a result of the poorer ratings and it doesn't mean that you will have any more money.....you will just have more debt. When you start to spend you capital reserves you are in trouble big time. You have no cash flow to work with and the interest income on your reserves gets less and less so that you have less cash flow etc. It is a downward spiral. Increasing debt isn't the answer. You have to either drastically cut your debt or you drastically raise taxes. Good luck with that.

I hear ya.... You have no proof and your opinion is a poor substitute for fact.

The EU did that to protect their currency. Moodys and Fitch have warned that the USA credit rating may be lowered in the next 3 months if they fail to make a debt payment, or fail to come to agreement on a suitable debt reduction plan. That could easily sink the US if international investors start dumping US bonds out of fear the treasury can't meet its obligations.

Not me. I am arguing against that premise. No First Nation leader will ever be Prime Minister. Not Fountaine, not Atleo.